Moyes So Far!

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Mozza said:
How can you blame a guy for celebrating his team taking a lead in a hard fought match, for so long it looked like it would happen despite all the chances we had
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Again... I'm not blaming him for celebrating his team taking the lead. I don't mind that you disagree with me like @Walrus but at least try to understand what I actually said.
It's not a pb at all all things considered, just another aspect of him being too small time for Utd.
 
"9 points to Liverpool, can you catch them?"

"We'll try"

That's as good as a no. Get rid.
 
LARulz said:
By dragging them out. They knew all we could do is cross, so they just packed the box out and outnumbered us. They have taller players than us so crossing is even less likely to work. All they had to do was keep shape and we'll keep shooting ourselves in the foot. If we start getting in between the lines/behind them then it could have caused some chaos. As it was, they were happy to let us keep doing the same thing over and over again.
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Fulham were never going to push up and leave room between the lines
 
Ash_G said:
Jesus. I mean it's hard to blame Moyes for the goal at the end, the Valencia sub made sense to me, it was the hernandez one I didn't think we needed. Once we went up the goal though it just seemed we thought it was ours. He either needed to get the players to keep our tempo or drop one of RVP/Hernandez and see it out. But either way I mean people can say Fulham were negative but their tactic was working well and for all our possession we probably made as many good openings as they did. Crossing is a perfectly fine way to play but it shouldn't be the only way you try to play.
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No, it isn't. A team with better players has to play a style of football which allows those players to express their superiority. Our superiority over Fulham doesn't consist in being able to jump higher in the penalty area.
 


Oh my God. I actually feel physically sick reading that.
 
Kraftwerker said:
This season is a write off.

If we're not sacking him which I don't think we will mid-season, we should at least be sounding out some World Class managers for the summer.
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This manager is a write off.
 
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Jesus fecking Christ.
 
kouroux said:
Again... I'm not blaming him for celebrating his team taking the lead. I don't mind that you disagree with me like @Walrus but at least try to understand what I actually said.
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I understand what you said. He's not allowed to celebrate what looked like a winning goal against Fulham, he should be misrable as some sort of pennance for not winning the game easily
 
I think we need to give him more time to implement his idea. One season is not enough, especially when considering he didn't get to buy any player on his own up until now. I'm 100% sure we will turn this around, starting by beating Arsenal.
 
Sphaero said:
Let him go as soon as possible and bring someone in with a clear idea, who gets to install it without pressure about results. This is the best time for a new coach to start a transition, because the season is already a write off. The longer you wait the deeper you will fall.
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This is actually a valid point.
The season is a write-off already, get in someone who can start implementing a proper footballing philosophy and motivate the team to actually want to succeed.
 
He doesn't seem to know how to turn this around. I don't like to say it but i think he should probably be off at the end of the season.
 
If we sack him we don't even need to find a replacement till the end of the season - I'm convinced we'll play just as well, if not better if the team just manages itself.
 
Mozza said:
Fulham were never going to push up and leave room between the lines
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No but thats why we make them, if people started moving in them then somebody in the Fulham defences would have felt that a Mata/Rooney needs to be picked up. Could create a bit space for someone else then, perhaps not much but enough. As it was, just constant crosses and they were happy to keep heading them out. There was no variety.

I am not saying no crossing at all, I'm just saying it should be one of the methods of trying to score. Not the ONLY one.
 
I think that a big problem with what Moyes is doing is that he is trying to copy SAF too much. With us during his tenure he would be using the overlapping full-backs and he would allow wingers to drift inside and play with it through the middle rather than try to continuously pump balls out wide. He wouldn't decide to play Distin out at LB against people like Stoke instead of Baines because of height (Like he does with Smalling/Rafael). It's like the SAF aura is surrounding him and he doesn't have the balls to do something different. (I do realise that you have had Rafael/Evra as overlapping fullbacks previously under SAF!). I really thought he would use Kagawa like he used Pienaar but he's decided to just stick with boring cross-cross-cross wingers like Valencia on the right and Young on the left (who does occasionally cut in to shoot to be fair).

Would someone like Mourinho/Klopp be afraid to do their own thing and not try and copy/take too much advice from SAF? No. They would be stamping their authority all over. Moyes just seems far too timid.
 
It would be so nice to be positive about our team again.

Would any other club let this go on so long? Does the fact we're giving him time make us superior?
 
Cheesy said:
No we didn't. Just look at that diagram of our play. We just hit it out wide and crossed it with no attempt to actually play some decent football and play it through the middle. There was little to no variation in the side today.
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That diagram is only of the crosses, other chances were made. I can remember a couple of occasions in the first half where we had players released into the area from the inside left position
 
I think the team are carrying out his instructions. I think the team are trying. I think today was as good as it gets in terms of them trusting their manager - they had possession, the played the percentage crossing game he appears to adore.

I think every game that passes the team are getting more anxious and less confident. I think it's only a matter of time before the players do start ignoring him. I think that may be a good thing, or at least no worse than what we're seeing now.
 
Kaos said:
If we sack him we don't even need to find a replacement till the end of the season - I'm convinced we'll play just as well, if not better if the team just manages itself.
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Giggsy is popular enough to take charge until the summer, try to change it around and survive the fallout.
 
Will Absolute said:
No, it isn't. A team with better players has to play a style of football which allows those players to express their superiority. Our superiority over Fulham doesn't consist in being able to jump higher in the penalty area.
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We've rarely had the tallest players, if the service is good then it's not all about aerial dominance, plus that doesn't even factor in that a lot of our crosses are low. Anyway I was making a general point and crossing is clearly a perfectly fine tactic to employ, as I said it shouldn't be your only tactic and certainly you should try and tailor it to the game you're in.
 
How I find us at the moment is exactly the same after Capello left Milan
 
Shark22 said:
All of those bids for Fabregas last summer make sense now. Our manager is actually mental.
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What would we have actually done with Cesc anyway? Remember Cesc your job is to get the ball and get it wide as fast as you can as often as you can. Dont you dare even think of doing anything else. :wenger:
 
We've actually had a decent run of fixtures on paper since the new year to put a run together. Its amazing how badly we've done.
 
Kevin said:
I do not see another top team who will have had to deal with smaller teams defending with 10 men in the box cross half as many times as we do. And they actually have more success and win against these tactics.

Sending in a record breaking amount of crosses means it's drilled into them by the boss as their main tactic. All Moyes and it is one dimensional to the extreme.
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3 weeks ago (or was it 4) Jose was going mental at West Ham parking the bus, last week Liverpool drew with West Brom, we should have won against these tactics but for a shit header from one of our most experienced players
 
kouroux said:
Again... I'm not blaming him for celebrating his team taking the lead. I don't mind that you disagree with me like @Walrus but at least try to understand what I actually said.
It's not a pb at all all things considered, just another aspect of him being too small time for Utd.
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Ok you are not blaming him, hes not allowed to because we should have one easliy, which is equally nonsense
 
The post game press conference was an embarrassment to MUFC. His defence of why we crossed it so much, saying its in the DNA of this club to get it wide. He clearly doesn't understand Man Utd. Maybe he should watch some games of ours before he arrived at United. The role of our midfield was not solely to service wide areas. :rolleyes:
 
Ash_G said:
We've rarely had the tallest players, if the service is good then it's not all about aerial dominance, plus that doesn't even factor in that a lot of our crosses are low. Anyway I was making a general point and crossing is clearly a perfectly fine tactic to employ, as I said it shouldn't be your only tactic and certainly you should try and tailor it to the game you're in.
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Okay. The point is you don't get your money's worth from highly creative players by playing rigid, one-dimensional football.
 
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