Moyes So Far!

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My two cents:

This squad, strengthened this season by the addition of Fellaini, Mata and Fletcher and weakened by the demise of Rio and the lengthy absence of RvP and Carrick, walked away with the trophy last season. It wasn't even close between first and second place.

The new manager has not yet gotten it through his head that tactics required to lift the league trophy are vastly different than tactics to ensure midtable status. Once Moyes gets that and uses his players to their maximum potential we could go on a rampage.

But if we play hoofball against Fulham tomorrow I may have to have a chat with Malcolm Glazer myself and get this mess sorted out.
 
Kaos said:
Tomorrow will be a huge game for him.
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Not really. We arent making the top 4 anymore. We'll probably win tomorrow. After the game, he is going to say the same thing. "This win is a start of new things. We are going to build on this win. Things are going to change." And then next week we will go and lose to Arsenal away and we are back to square one.
 
KiD CaNtO said:
Why? What's another loss this season anyway? Tomorrow bares little significance in Moyes' future, it's next season he'll be judged.
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If Fulham beat us then I sincerely think his position might be considered untenable, realistically for the first time at least.
 
Kaos said:
If Fulham beat us then I sincerely think his position might be considered untenable, realistically for the first time at least.
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He doesn't seem under much pressure, he's all smiles during post match interviews when we lose. I think he knows he runs little risk of losing his job this season.
 
What if Moyes pulls it together for our remaining run of games and through some divine intervention or a lobotomy, he starts attacking through the middle, ushering a change in our style of play but he returns to being shit next season? Will this period be ammunition for those calling for him to stay next May?
 
Kaos said:
I wasn't referring to our relative league position, more so his ability to actually manage a top side.

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Joke aside, I agree. Even though 4th is out of our reach now in realistic terms, it's vitally important that he installs a bit of self belief into the team.
If he can't manage to get us playing well by the end of the season then he should go, resign or sacked makes no difference to me.
Personally I feel he should be gone if we don't get top 4 but that's not going to happen.
 
Bear Attack said:
What if Moyes pulls it together for our remaining run of games and through some divine intervention or a lobotomy, he starts attacking through the middle, ushering a change in our style of play but he returns to being shit next season? Will this period be ammunition for those calling for him to stay next May?
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No doubt. Even those in the Moyes out camp, myself included, would be willing to give him more time.
 
Bear Attack said:
What if Moyes pulls it together for our remaining run of games and through some divine intervention or a lobotomy, he starts attacking through the middle, ushering a change in our style of play but he returns to being shit next season? Will this period be ammunition for those calling for him to stay next May?
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Then I imagine he'd be sacked by Christmas providing he's consistently awful. Glazers aren't going to care for the sweet tears of t0p reds.
 
Bear Attack said:
What if Moyes pulls it together for our remaining run of games and through some divine intervention or a lobotomy, he starts attacking through the middle, ushering a change in our style of play but he returns to being shit next season? Will this period be ammunition for those calling for him to stay next May?
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If he manages get us playing well, why the hell would he revert it back to shit? Bizarre.
 
Bear Attack said:
What if Moyes pulls it together for our remaining run of games and through some divine intervention or a lobotomy, he starts attacking through the middle, ushering a change in our style of play but he returns to being shit next season? Will this period be ammunition for those calling for him to stay next May?
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Even acknowledging that we aren't playing well and that a tactical change is needed would do him a whole lot of good. It's the post match nonsense that has turned me against him.
 
RDCR07 said:
Not really. We arent making the top 4 anymore. We'll probably win tomorrow. After the game, he is going to say the same thing. "This win is a start of new things. We are going to build on this win. Things are going to change." And then next week we will go and lose to Arsenal away and we are back to square one.
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I think it'll be more of "we'll just try and win our next game" "fans are awesome and fully behind me"
 
RDCR07 said:
Not really. We arent making the top 4 anymore. We'll probably win tomorrow. After the game, he is going to say the same thing. "This win is a start of new things. We are going to build on this win. Things are going to change." And then next week we will go and lose to Arsenal away and we are back to square one.
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That all depends if we win, in which case yes I'd agree with you.

If we lose however to arguably the poorest team in the league at home, then its a new low for him. I'd imagine most fans would turn on him and the Glazers would start contemplating SAF's judgement.
 
MDFC Manager said:
If he manages get us playing well, why the hell would he revert it back to shit? Bizarre.
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It's just a thought experiment! Because let's be honest, we all know Moyes is going to get a second season regardless and it's not going to be merit-based. But, presumably, the second season is going to be grounded in results so if he does not pull it together and reverts to the lows now, will the hypothetical improvement be an argument for yet another season for Moyes?
 
Kaos said:
That all depends if we win, in which case yes I'd agree with you.

If we lose however to arguably the poorest team in the league at home, then its a new low for him. I'd imagine most fans would turn on him and the Glazers would start contemplating SAF's judgement.
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Honestly, they've been very hands off and I don't think that will change by taking on our most successful manager. At the end of the day I think they (the Glazers) will rely on SAF and SBC judgement on footballing matter. The Glazers are probably looking for someone to keep us successful in the long run not do it Chelsea/City style
 
Bear Attack said:
It's just a thought experiment! Because let's be honest, we all know Moyes is going to get a second season regardless and it's not going to be merit-based. But, presumably, the second season is going to be grounded in results so if he does not pull it together and reverts to the lows now, will the hypothetical improvement be an argument for yet another season for Moyes?
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A third season you mean? No, I wouldn't give him that in your scenario. Especially also assuming he gets his choice players in the summer and still doesn't get the team playing.

If the current form continues, the earliest I see him getting sacked is this Christmas and the latest is end of next season. He won't get a this season with this form, no chance.
 
OneUnited24 said:
The Glazers are probably looking for someone to keep us successful in the long run not do it Chelsea/City style
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Fair enough, but there's no reason why that man has to be Moyes. He's done nothing to show that he's the man to hold the club down in the long run.

Besides, I'm sure the Glazers would prefer to select a new manager every 3-4 years so long as we remain in the pinnacle of English and European football, as opposed to a decade of mediocrity with Moyes.

Also bear in mind - the Glazers sacked the Tampa Bay Buccaneers manager after only one season, this was despite sanctioning a $140million investment for the management team.
 
OneUnited24 said:
Honestly, they've been very hands off and I don't think that will change by taking on our most successful manager. At the end of the day I think they (the Glazers) will rely on SAF and SBC judgement on footballing matter. The Glazers are probably looking for someone to keep us successful in the long run not do it Chelsea/City style
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They Will as soon as they start losing money or sponsors start moaning. It's all about the money.
 
OneUnited24 said:
Honestly, they've been very hands off and I don't think that will change by taking on our most successful manager. At the end of the day I think they (the Glazers) will rely on SAF and SBC judgement on footballing matter. The Glazers are probably looking for someone to keep us successful in the long run not do it Chelsea/City style
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They're probably looking for someone who will keep us successful full stop, and if the Moyes appointment flops, I wouldn't surprised if they pull the plug if they see it affecting the club's brand.
 
If we finish in a Europa league position, there is no doubt he will be given another season. My worry is if he finishes 7th or 8th, why does he deserve another season? I mean we were champions with the same squad and he has technically improved the squad with the additions of Fellaini and Mata. So how did we regress this bad in just one season? How is 12 months not good enough to judge a manager nowadays in football? At least if he had prior trophies then we can argue that at least he knows how to win. If we see some sort of change or at least a direction that is the club is going in, then by all means give the man a chance. But what has he done? Absolutely nothing. Im not sure what direction the club is going in anymore. Not sure even if he has any idea. I dont see any change in our playing style and I dont see this vision that he keeps saying he has for Man Utd?
 
We still have a huge debt to pay off along with interests. Our fastest growing revenue segment is commercial sponsorship deals and irrespective of how we mock those deals we have to accept they are the least saturated of our revenue sources as we are unlikely to expand the stadium or step out of collective broadcasting rights. Our ability to bring in those new deals are largely tied to our results and performances on the field.

Also taking in to consideration the potential loss of champions league revenue, I find it hard to believe that Glazers will continue to back Moyes no matter what just because he was recommended by SAF. At end of the day, Glazers are bunch of business men who are here because they saw the potential for aggressive growth in revenue and it might be wishful thinking that they'll buy the philosophical or romantic side of appointing/backing a manager.
 
Tooni said:
Also taking in to consideration the potential loss of champions league revenue, I find it hard to believe that Glazers will continue to back Moyes no matter what just because he was recommended by SAF. At end of the day, Glazers are bunch of business men who are here because they saw the potential for aggressive growth in revenue and it might be wishful thinking that they'll buy the philosophical or romantic side of appointing/backing a manager.
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Precisely.

Folks need to remember that the Glazers see United as a business as opposed to a football club they're fans of. And as with all businesses, its only considerably profitable when its doing well. Giving Moyes all the time he needs because it alludes to some mythical 'United way' is detrimental to that mantra.
 
I can't wait for the look on Fergie's face when Liverpool come to O.T. Their new blitzrieg attacking style is going to be fun to watch against Moyes' hoofball.
 
mic.m said:
I can't wait for the look on Fergie's face when Liverpool come to O.T. Their new blitzrieg attacking style is going to be fun to watch against Moyes' hoofball.
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I can wait. I'll quite happily wait. :nervous:
 
Getsme said:
I can wait. I'll quite happily wait. :nervous:
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come on. If you go into the match without any expectation it'll be more enjoyable. Some high paced, high pressure attacking against a non existant midfield, calamity defending and a good but overwhelmed goalie. It'll be fun. Imagine the fans reaction when Mata is subbed for Welbeck to improve our attack. Rooney moved to midfield to replace Cleverly.
 
mic.m said:
come on. If you go into the match without any expectation it'll be more enjoyable. Some high paced, high pressure attacking against a non existant midfield, calamity defending and a good but overwhelmed goalie. It'll be fun. Imagine the fans reaction when Mata is subbed for Welbeck to improve our attack. Rooney moved to midfield to replace Cleverly.
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It shouldn't have, but that made me :lol:
 
KiD CaNtO said:
So, how many more losses do we reckon from here 'til the end of the season? I'm gonna say four.
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Arsenal on Wednesday, Man City, away to Everton and away to Southampton on the final day of the season.

I'll throw in a loss away to a desperate West Ham as well.
 
Shane88 said:
Arsenal on Wednesday, Man City, away to Everton and away to Southampton on the final day of the season.

I'll throw in a loss away to a desperate West Ham as well.
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I think we'll win one of the harder fixtures everyone expects us to lose. But I think we'll lose to someone shite to level the score. Either way, there's a few more losses to look forward to from here on in.
 
Kaos said:
Fair enough, but there's no reason why that man has to be Moyes. He's done nothing to show that he's the man to hold the club down in the long run.

Besides, I'm sure the Glazers would prefer to select a new manager every 3-4 years so long as we remain in the pinnacle of English and European football, as opposed to a decade of mediocrity with Moyes.

Also bear in mind - the Glazers sacked the Tampa Bay Buccaneers manager after only one season, this was despite sanctioning a $140million investment for the management team.
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Again you could be right but the Glazers thus far have left all footballing matters to people who know something about the game (Gill and SAF), with SAF still in the wings (and a inexperienced CEO) they will probably rely on his advice more than ever, Don't underestimate SAF influence still at the club, the Glazers obviously aren't stupid and they let SAF pick a man (single-handily) who will shape Manchester United for the next few years without any sort of input on their part. SAF will back Moyes till the cows come home - he detests not giving managers a chance (and maybe feels a tad bit responsible at the current state of the squad) and will want to give Moyes enough time and money to make things right. And that will paint a nice picture for the Glazers who might accept a short term hit for long gains.

The question they have to ask is whether Moyes is that man, but our Moyes has the backing of some powerful figures at the club.
Raoul said:
They're probably looking for someone who will keep us successful full stop, and if the Moyes appointment flops, I wouldn't surprised if they pull the plug if they see it affecting the club's brand.
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I disagree, I think they will be willing to give him a chance to rebuild - and I wont be surprised if its for at least 3 full seasons. Even with Manchester United doing poorly on the football pitch we're still a power house in terms of advertising and I think it will take more than a few seasons in the wilderness for the Glazers to fully feel the effect of poor football results.
 
KiD CaNtO said:
So, how many more losses do we reckon from here 'til the end of the season? I'm gonna say four.
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Fulham H - Win
Arsenal A - Defeat
Palace A - Win
WBA A - Draw
Liverpool H - Defeat
West Ham A - Draw
Man City H - Defeat
Aston Villa H - Win
Newcastle A - Draw
Hull H - Win
Everton A - Defeat
Norwich H - Win
Sunderland H - Win
Southampton A - Draw

Play 14
Win 6
Draw 4
Lose 4
 
Getsme said:
Fulham H - Win
Arsenal A - Defeat
Palace A - Win
WBA A - Draw
Liverpool H - Defeat
West Ham A - Draw
Man City H - Defeat
Aston Villa H - Win
Newcastle A - Draw
Hull H - Win
Everton A - Defeat
Norwich H - Win
Sunderland H - Win
Southampton A - Draw

Play 14
Win 6
Draw 4
Lose 4
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W,D,D,W,W,W,W,W,W,W,D,W,W,W we won´t lose again this season
 
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