Moyes So Far!

[Gannicus]

I still believe the quality of the squad Moyes has now is better than a 7th place side. Fix the tactics first, then add the new bodies this summer. If he refuses to fix the tactics, then it hardly matters what bodies he brings in.

That said, I'm willing to settle on bringing in only two central midfielders this summer. We all have names, but let's bring in central midfielders who are physically and technically and mentally gifted enough to handle the job.

The loose ends would be the central defenders and left back, but between Evans, Jones and Smalling I'm willing to let those three rule the central back line roost (assuming Rio goes, add a new young CB for depth or buy big); and assuming Evra leaves, we'll need to deal with LB as well. But we could stretch Evra for another season, if he wants to stay. He's really not the biggest problem we're facing right now. The biggest problem we're facing right now is a fixation on tactics that can no longer succeed.

 

[DLE]

If we lose against Fulham at home next week he will be terminated, right? RIGHT?

This is the most pathetic thread I have seen on here since I joined a decade ago.

 

[mattsville]

It's been a depressing season so far, shit results and shit football the flaws are there for all to see, I thought I would attempt to look at the positive to see what people think, and for a self sanity check. The positive comments from Moyes "I sat down with Bobby Charlton and he told me in no uncertain terms what it is to Manchester United manager" also "I want to build a young and exciting team". For me the current squad are not playing for him, simple as that, there is the argument that if he is worth his weight he should be able to make them play for him, not so simple after you were used to Fergie and his iron grip and reputation. The only oddity is Januzaj, he has excelled, very talented player granted but so are a lot of them, the only difference is, Moyes gave him his chance. So he is playing for Moyes. Is there an argument we could be a very different side if the squad's allegiance could be shifted towards being committed to Moyes if a good proportion of the matchday squad were introduced by him, Fellaini (fit), Mata, Januzaj, 3 or 4 new Summer signings, complemented by capable youth players like Jesse, Powell and a returning Zaha, or do people genuinely think he is an incapable gimp that is taking the club backwards?

 

[sglowrider]

Your judgement on these two is based on looks?

Don't knock good looks... look at the more successful managers... Fergie, Pep and Mourinho...

 

[amolbhatia50k]

We have turned in to RAWK....

Quite the opposite.

 

[Sphaero]

We have turned in to RAWK....

Huh? Such a thread would have never lived in RAWK. On top of that at least half the people who are critical towards Moyes would be banned by now. RAWK´s most ridicolous trait is not the quality of the posts, it is the censorship, which is employed by the Mods and Admins. If I would describe RAWK with one word, it would be "denial".

The Cafe is in contrast to that way more lenient in terms of moderation, at least in the mains.

 

[Barney]

Chat about him, of course, but I rather we showed some class about it, not acted like RAWK.

Eh? Why has it become the new "thing" to label any behaviour that is embarrassing as "RAWKish" even when RAWK generally haven't exhibited the type of behaviour being discussed?

 

[Barney]

Why are people insisting at this? Have you ever read RAWK? I doub that even WOy (who was very unpopular there) had as many threads against him during his entire time as we made about Moyes after a single loss.

One of the best thing of redcafe is that it is a very democratic forum (at least compared with the majority of football formus) where people aren't forced to post stuff they don't believe. If people think that Moyes isn't good then what, force them to say that he is brilliant. If you think that he is good, then you could simply not go in those threads and call for threads to get locked and other stuff.

Posted and then saw this. It is funny, it's thrown around at every situation on the forum.

 

[Carl]

Yeh the RAWK stuff has been thrown around a lot this season. Firstly, in this context it doesn't make sense and secondly it amuses me how some like to point and snigger looking down from their lofty perch at anyone who dare suggest that a manager that has taken over the champions, spent around 65 million and has them currently in 7th might not be up to the job.

In fact I'd say those throwing the RAWK accusations around are the ones in denial and thus posting more like those on RAWK. Irony eh...

 

[Varun]

Problem is everyone here is looking at our lack of midfield creativity as the sole reason why we have been playing this bad this season but thinking about it more in attack and defence we have some quality players. Hell even if you look at out midfield Carrick, Cleverly and Fletcher aren't bad players but in cleverlys case hes being used in a system that highlights his short comings as a player. He hasn't got the positioning or killer pass that we would like a midfielder partner to Carrick to have, still hes not so bad that no other PS club would have him.

For me we have been playing bad football for a while but with the players we have I feel like the manager just isn't getting enough out of them...

I've said it in the Kroos thread. PEople seem to think that a majority of our problems would be solved by simply having him in the team. The truth is far from it. Our style is simply not conducive to getting the best out of our players. Kroos wont change much even though he'd be a big upgrade on CLev.

 

[Getsme]

This is the most pathetic thread I have seen on here since I joined a decade ago.

That is all.

 

[.Rossi]

That is all.

Ah come on now! It hardly is! People have their opinions and so far, I can't fault them for being ticked off!

The Cathy Ferguson thread was more pathetic...."Oh what does she have that we don't"...Amazing

 

[Getsme]

Ah come on now! It hardly is! People have their opinions and so far, I can't fault them for being ticked off!

The Cathy Ferguson thread was more pathetic...."Oh what does she have that we don't"...Amazing

I think you may have misinterpreted my post, I was laughing at the suggestion that this is the most pathetic thread in over a decade.

 

[.Rossi]

I think you may have misinterpreted my post, I was laughing at the suggestion that this is the worst thread in over a decade.

Ah ok...Cathy Ferguson thread takes it.....That or the decline of Barcelona...

"OMG!!...They lost a match!! They are all over the place" - Barca thread
"Granted, we're mid table, playing shit football, and haven't a prayer of doing anything in the foreseeable future, but we'll be fine" - United/Moyes thread

Amazing

 

[Spider]

This is the most pathetic thread I have seen on here since I joined a decade ago.

Pathetic? The fact that your opinion is different from this doesn't make this thread pathetic. You are pathetic..

 

[Cal?]

Yeh the RAWK stuff has been thrown around a lot this season. Firstly, in this context it doesn't make sense and secondly it amuses me how some like to point and snigger looking down from their lofty perch at anyone who dare suggest that a manager that has taken over the champions, spent around 65 million and has them currently in 7th might not be up to the job.

In fact I'd say those throwing the RAWK accusations around are the ones in denial and thus posting more like those on RAWK. Irony eh...

I really don't understand why people keep saying that, RAWK keep imaging they have the best manager in the world as well as the best team, midfield, goalkeeper, etc etc even though they were nowhere near the top. Here people are criticising the manager, the team, etc.

Spot the difference.

 

[.Rossi]

I really don't understand why people keep saying that, RAWK keep imaging they have the best manager in the world as well as the best team, midfield, goalkeeper, etc etc even though they were nowhere near the top. Here people are criticising the manager, the team, etc.

Spot the difference.

Yeah I'm not getting the comparisons to RAWK...Except the odd post here and there

"I dont rate Moyes because.... etc etc etc"

"Oh well, go support City then. This is the United way"

That is very RAWK

 

[pauldyson1uk]

This is the most pathetic thread I have seen on here since I joined a decade ago.

While I can see your point and personally I hate this thread, it is not pathetic.
We are in a bad run and dont look like getting out of it soon, the thread is a valid response to that bad spell.
I have never been convinced Moyes is the right man for the job, but I am still in the he needs more time camp and will be until the end of the season.

 

[Anderson18]

until there are the most cringeworthy poems about Rooney,his off/on relationship with his hair and how he still is our flawed hero we have not turned into RAWK.

 

[DLE]

Pathetic? The fact that your opinion is different from this doesn't make this thread pathetic. You are pathetic..

It's more the support for the club and lack of it. Not opinion. There is a thread focusing on "Moyes so far" which adds healthy debate unlike this.

 

[DLE]

I think you may have misinterpreted my post, I was laughing at the suggestion that this is the most pathetic thread in over a decade.

"I have seen"

 

[DLE]

While I can see your point and personally I hate this thread, it is not pathetic.
We are in a bad run and dont look like getting out of it soon, the thread is a valid response to that bad spell.
I have never been convinced Moyes is the right man for the job, but I am still in the he needs more time camp and will be until the end of the season.

I promise you his job is not made easier with people claiming to be supporters of the club while at the same time suggesting he should be sacked or replaced.

 

[togg]

This is the most pathetic thread I have seen on here since I joined a decade ago.

oh don't be so bloody serious. This thread can be hilarious at times. During this time the Caf has never been so good!!

 

[Godfather]

I promise you his job is not made easier with people claiming to be supporters of the club while at the same time suggesting he should be sacked or replaced.

David Moyes doesnt make David Moyes' job easier.

 

[Varun]

I promise you his job is not made easier with people claiming to be supporters of the club while at the same time suggesting he should be sacked or replaced.

He doesnt read the caf and the matchgoers have been good so far.

 

[.Rossi]

Serious question, where is the Cathy Ferguson thread gone?

I wanna see the line, "what does she have that we don't" again

 

[Smores]

Its strange but most non-united fans i speak to are a lot more pragmatic about Moyes. General consensus has been we've got a weak squad full of players past their best and everyone has stepped up.

 

[Godfather]

Its strange but most non-united fans i speak to are a lot more pragmatic about Moyes. General consensus has been we've got a weak squad full of players past their best and everyone has stepped up.

Contrast to what I experienced. Pretty much everyone I know thinks he's just not very good.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Its strange but most non-united fans i speak to are a lot more pragmatic about Moyes. General consensus has been we've got a weak squad full of players past their best and everyone has stepped up.

From what I've seen and heard, people seem to think that our new manager is inept and our players are useless (fergie magically made them champions blah balah).

 

[OneUnited24]

I've said it in the Kroos thread. PEople seem to think that a majority of our problems would be solved by simply having him in the team. The truth is far from it. Our style is simply not conducive to getting the best out of our players. Kroos wont change much even though he'd be a big upgrade on CLev.

My thoughts exactly, Moyes has to show some flexibility in using different systems otherwise nothing will change - even with reinforcements. Take the game at Stoke, Mata was doing his best work in the middle but you could see Moyes wanted him to stay wide and give us width (followed up by his comments on getting to the by-line 10 times...). He really has to try and adopt a 4231 formation and expect the width to be from our fall backs

 

[Getsme]

"I have seen"

You've been a member of the site for over ten years, I've been a member for just over one and I've seen threads worse than this one. So either you're trying to be Billy big b#ll#cks, or you're talking through your arse.

I promise you his job is not made easier with people claiming to be supportersq of the club while at the same time suggesting he should be sacked or replaced.

Claiming to be, who are you to say what people should be thinking, to suggest that some posters aren't fans because they don't think the same as you is pathetic. Have you even read the thread?

It's more the support for the club and lack of it. Not opinion. There is a thread focusing on "Moyes so far" which adds healthy debate unlike this.

Again, have you read the Moyes so far thread? It's not to dissimilar too this one.
How about adding something constructive to the thread instead of criticising others that do.

 

[Revan]

Posted and then saw this. It is funny, it's thrown around at every situation on the forum.

Exactly. In fact what Carl said is absolutely spot on. The people who are suggesting that Caf has become like RAWK and act like everything is fine with the club and the manager are those who are in denial and a bit deluded which means that they are more similar to RAWK posters *

* By RAWK posters I mean those who just sign in there. Contrary to people belies I think that the majority of posters there (especially those who have been there for some time) are actually good posters. RAWK goes into meltdown thread here or in twitter is hilarious but if you look at posters who postedthose things are usually posters that have just signed in and try to look 'good posters' by either saying that Liverpool will win the Nobel price or that SAF is a drunken bastard who had corrupted the entire universe. The majority of posters there are fine.

 

[Tomalonge]

It's a panic thread. We're all doomed!

 

[SirFergie]

Its strange but most non-united fans i speak to are a lot more pragmatic about Moyes. General consensus has been we've got a weak squad full of players past their best and everyone has stepped up.

Truth is they know feck all. Our squad is NOT weak but it has weaknesses; there is a difference. We should be easily competing for top 4 and probably the cups with the talent we have. There is a combination of players not performing and Moyes being a bit naive with tactical and personnel decisions which have hampered us, not the lack of talent even though we need more to be right at the top.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's a panic thread. We're all doomed!

for some, it's a thread of hope!

 

[mancan92]

Its strange but most non-united fans i speak to are a lot more pragmatic about Moyes. General consensus has been we've got a weak squad full of players past their best and everyone has stepped up.

All the people I talked to laughed when we appointed him manager and said he would destroy us, the first couple months they just took the piss. But at this point everyone is pretty sympathetic because they truly didnt believe Moyes would make us this bad.

 

[DLE]

You've been a member of the site for over ten years, I've been a member for just over one and I've seen threads worse than this one. So either you're trying to be Billy big b#ll#cks, or you're talking through your arse.


Claiming to be, who are you to say what people should be thinking, to suggest that some posters aren't fans because they don't think the same as you is pathetic. Have you even read the thread?



Again, have you read the Moyes so far thread? It's not to dissimilar too this one.
How about adding something constructive to the thread instead of criticising others that do.

This.

 

[Cal?]

All the people I talked to laughed when we appointed him manager and said he would destroy him, the first couple months they just took the piss. But at this point everyone is pretty sympathetic because they truly didnt believe Moyes would make us this bad.

Moyes has really outperformed even the ABU's wildest dreams.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

It's more the support for the club and lack of it. Not opinion. There is a thread focusing on "Moyes so far" which adds healthy debate unlike this.

Actually wanting Moyes to go could be described as supporting the club the way things are.

 

[Mockney]

Its strange but most non-united fans i speak to are a lot more pragmatic about Moyes. General consensus has been we've got a weak squad full of players past their best and everyone has stepped up.

That definitely is strange.