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KiD CaNtO said:
No, probably not. What's another loss this season anyway? He has a free pass.
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That attitude scares me from some people. There was someone who claimed that unless he lost something like 5-0 every match, only then would it be proved he was out of his depth.

He shouldn't get a free pass, but we should be careful not to judge him on the standards of his predecessor either. He's manager of one of the biggest clubs in Europe though, and what he's shown so far is shocking.
 
jojojo said:
Whatever happens against Fulham, the only way he's leaving mid-season is if he resigns, and I don't see any signs of that.
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Indeed. And why the heck would he resign? He knows he won't be fired(yet), he knows he's getting access to the war chest in the summer, and there's a major payday waiting in case he does get fired some time in the future. He'd be an idiot to resign for those three reasons alone. No one is THAT proud, surely.
 
stubie said:
Anyone else think defeat on Sunday will make his position untenable?
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When was the last time we lost to Fulham at Old Trafford?

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Waldner said:
Yes, I do. Don't forget just how much RVP carried us last season. Chelsea have a fairly solid squad with plenty of talented players, as well as a fantastic manager.
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So what's the difference between Chelsea's squad and ours at the start of the season. Their midfield was at a comparable level but our defence and strikers were better. They were only better in the position behind the striker.
 
Right, I don't post much and I'm certainly not "trolling" as I've seen some talk about people who haven't been posting much but come to criticize the club and kick it whilst its down.

I have a thing against Moyes. I was for his appointment, I trusted Fergie to know what is good for the future of the club. I trusted Fergie to make the right decision. I did not question it, I did not even for one moment question that he is the man for the job even after the disastrous start to the 2014 calendar year. But now I do.

First of all, Moyes does not seem like manager of Manchester fecking United in a press conference. He has no presence, is always full of excuses and just reeks of small time mentality. I know this may seem unfair and even unrelated to football, but if watching a press conference of the man talking for two minutes leaves you with "I am sure he knows what he is doing - he's the manager of Man United, but maybe he doesn't?" feeling then how is he supposed to control a dressing room full of millionaires and keep them motivated and on their toes? Again, this is speculation, I have no idea about what goes on in the dressing room but certainly one of the reasons the "fear factor" has been broken is that David Moyes as a person does not look or act intimidating and doesn't particularly look sure of himself as well.

Second of all, in the past few games we have had some bad decisions against us, I fully expected the camera-man to have a couple of seconds of the manager of our team, the manager of Manchester United, going mad and harassing the officials. Nope, he is sat there like a child with no pocket money, sobbing and cursing at his misery. Would Mourinho or Fergie not fight the officials for every call, every offside, every foul, every corner? No, but David Moyes, a manager particularly in need of every damn decision, seems like he doesn't want to fight. Do you not remember a 70 year old Fergie racing down the stairs to have a go at the officials vs Real Madrid? Where is the fire in Moyes?

Then the Mata signing happened. Look, he's a fine player, a very good player. Chelsea's best player actually. But suddenly Moyes who is the manager of the champions, the team that won the league by a landslide only last season, the team full of champions and Champions League winners, he suddenly bashes the team and even his previous signing, by going on and on and on and on about how he wants to sign good players and improve the squad and this is the first of many. The quotes are actually much worse than what I wrote, I don't remember them but it sure sounded like Moyes isn't convinced at all by the team and he has gone about saying shit like this publicly. Is he fecking daft? What's a Tom Cleverley supposed to think when he watches his manager on Sky saying he signed Mata because he is shit and plays in a shit team full of shit players? What has Moyes won? Cleverly has won the league.

Also, Moyes' tactical decisions are baffling. Why bring Welbeck on for fecking Jones? It's like a 15 year old playing Football manager against a weaker team and saying "The more strikers I have the more goals I will score". Hasn't he heard of patience? Hasn't he heard of controlling the game? What did he expect? Seriously, I genuinely ask, what kind of football did Moyes think we were going to play in the remaining time of the game when he brought on Welbeck for Jones? I don't remember a single, A SINGLE, good phase of play from us except for the Rooney left footed miss on the left hand post.

And lastly, as many have mentioned, we lack identity and cohesion on the pitch. Admittedly I have watched us last season at times and wondered how the feck are we on top of the league because we are so boring to watch and predictable yet seemed to win games. What is the philosophy of David Moyes? Does he have one? What kind of Football does he want to play? We are midway through the season, and it can be summed up by "shit, random, send it to the wing and cross football". There's not even a hint of him trying to establish any kind of change, which is what most worries me.

What do I want? I want Manchester United to win, to play good football. Honestly every game now is torture for me, win or lose. I feel so so bad for David, he's got himself in quite the shit situation hasn't he. Give him until Christmas even if we miss out on top 4. If he is still looking like a cat who's just seen something for this first time and is poking around with his paws to figure it out then give him the sack. We don't got fecking time for that drama. We are a serious football club competing for serious trophies. fecking about is not good, Fergie blessed or not.

I wish nothing but success to Moyes, I hope he can turn this around and prove Fergie is right and we are all a bunch of impatient spoiled cnuts, but I don't see it happening.
 
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In regards style of play, I've noticed people talking about Fergie's lean years and how we weren't that great under a transition period

Have a look at this and tell me we play anywhere close to this sorta stuff....Despite being under transition.

Not having a go, just curious as to how you tell me different. We're not going to their place and play this sorta stuff next week
 
Under Fergie, even in our most lacklustre of performances, we would show unpredictability in our play. We haven't seen any of that recently. Our one-two punch is to send it out wide.
 
He shoulda lick Vidic balls and kept him

Now we only got 2 CB for next year (considering Jones is shifted as stop gap in Midfield) i.e. Smailing and Evans, with the money much needed to bolster LB and CM, we will be hard strapped to afford 2 very good center back for rotation and cover for injuries / suspension

While Vidic is not actually first team material, he could do a fine job being a squad player.

And on top of this, Evra looks to be leaving, which is a daft thing not getting him to stay longer. Even if we buy Baines / Coentrao, you can't expect them to run up and down the left for 50+ games, we will have to buy another LB as backup.

All in all, we are looking to have to buy potentially 2LB, 3CM, 2CB, 2 Winger (assuming Nani/Kagawa left), and 1 Striker (Hernandez, RvP or Rooney goes)

I don't think Moyes / Ed have the nous to capture 10 very good / world class players specially in world cup season.

Next season won't look good, we could start the season with youngster going at this rate.

I don't know what happened behind the screen, but if it turns out to be Evra, Rio, Vidic, Giggs all 4 leaving at the same time it's poor planning for the regeneration.
 
Sky1981 said:
He shoulda lick Vidic balls and kept him

Now we only got 2 CB for next year (considering Jones is shifted as stop gap in Midfield) i.e. Smailing and Evans, with the money much needed to bolster LB and CM, we will be hard strapped to afford 2 very good center back for rotation and cover for injuries / suspension

While Vidic is not actually first team material, he could do a fine job being a squad player.

And on top of this, Evra looks to be leaving, which is a daft thing not getting him to stay longer. Even if we buy Baines / Coentrao, you can't expect them to run up and down the left for 50+ games, we will have to buy another LB as backup.

All in all, we are looking to have to buy potentially 2LB, 3CM, 2CB, 2 Winger (assuming Nani/Kagawa left), and 1 Striker (Hernandez, RvP or Rooney goes)

I don't think Moyes / Ed have the nous to capture 10 very good / world class players specially in world cup season.

Next season won't look good, we could start the season with youngster going at this rate.

I don't know what happened behind the screen, but if it turns out to be Evra, Rio, Vidic, Giggs all 4 leaving at the same time it's poor planning for the regeneration.
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Like he's licking RVP's balls??

"Oh he can he play anytime he wants, when ever he decides"

I'm hoping to God this is Moyes fecking him out as opposed to Vidic saying "feck this, I'm outta here"
 
.Rossi said:
Like he's licking RVP's balls??

"Oh he can he play anytime he wants, when ever he decides"

I'm hoping to God this is Moyes fcuking him out as opposed to Vidic saying "fcuk this, I'm outta here"
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It's a bit too late for that, he should calm the squad and prepare for it the first time he set foot in the dressing room. It's not like Vidic has 4 years, he's on last year contract, and he should have foreseen, unless Moyes feels he doesn't need Vidic at all, which is still a bad thing imho
 
Sky1981 said:
It's a bit too late for that, he should calm the squad and prepare for it the first time he set foot in the dressing room. It's not like Vidic has 4 years, he's on last year contract, and he should have foreseen, unless Moyes feels he doesn't need Vidic at all, which is still a bad thing imho
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I do disagree though...Moyes should not be licking anyone's balls!...To me, his licking up to RVP and Rooney has been embarrassing! Be a bloody man!!....I do not know what's going to happen now. All is very uncertain for the first time since probably 1995. All we can do is continue to support the team and the club :)


Until Sunday, and we lose...Then it's straight to the Moyes threads :D
 
.Rossi said:
I do disagree though...Moyes should not be licking anyone's balls!...To me, his licking up to RVP and Rooney has been embarrassing! Be a bloody man!!....I do not know what's going to happen now. All is very uncertain for the first time since probably 1995. All we can do is continue to support the team and the club :)


Until Sunday, and we lose...Then it's straight to the Moyes threads :D
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Not in a literal sense off course, more like making them feel wanted and appreciated (and this is by no means a cowardish move to make, it's normal in management to motivate the team and make them feel wanted and appreciated)

Moyes like it or not, have all to prove infront of this bunch of players who's won it all, right now he is in charge due to the appointment by the higher command (board), but at the moment, he has not gaining their recognition as their leader, and in a real world, you just have to inspire and win them against the odds. SAF is different, players cower in awe for his achievement, he can afford the my way or highway attitude because he knows he will win at the end (which he has proven without doubt), but take a look at fergie's early year, I'm sure he won't last long if he maintain his attitude when he took over. Even Clough didn't last long in Leeds trying to shift things too soon.
 
BennyBlanco said:
This, a million times this.
We're shown nothing of a longterm ideology being imposed, not a glimpse, nor have I ever seen one in his decade at Everton, we're currently asked to have blind faith and criticised for airing concern.
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How on earth do you know. Matta is a deal that has taken months to complete yet you expect instant results.
 
Wibble said:
How on earth do you know. Matta is a deal that has taken months to complete yet you expect instant results.
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Mata is not an example to bring up in favour of having a long-term philosophy. Moyes was offered a very similar player in the summer in Ozil and said United had no need for him. And the poster you quoted is correct, there has been virtually no sign of a long-term philosophy. You ask "how on earth do you know", I'm guessing he's watched Manchester United playing football this season.
 
Feeky Magee said:
Mata is not an example to bring up in favour of having a long-term philosophy. Moyes was offered a very similar player in the summer in Ozil and said United had no need for him. And the poster you quoted is correct, there has been virtually no sign of a long-term philosophy. You ask "how on earth do you know", I'm guessing he's watched Manchester United playing football this season.
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Pretty much this...Before Mata signed, there was plenty of time to change it up.

Even Fergie ditched his beloved wingers against Newcastle last year and played a diamond formation...

Granted, Fergie reverted back and has gone to church asking for forgiveness since then
 
Wibble said:
How on earth do you know. Matta is a deal that has taken months to complete yet you expect instant results.
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You look at Mourinho with his propensity for wanting 433, defensively sound football, and in his 7 months back at the bridge you can see it starting to take shape, simialrly Rodgers you could see them trying to play his pass and move approach last year and struggling with it but this season it's starting to click, Martinez with Everton and even Pep with Bayern from what I've seen he has them play more of a possession game than they had going on last year when they won it all.

So far with us, 7months in, we've not seen any real type of long term shift developing, a poster called it a diluted version of the football we had last year, which really rings true for me, I'm trying to hang in there, keep the faith but it feels increasingly hard, not due to short term results but the lack of any type of progress that seems to be made in our football accompanying the results.
 
.Rossi said:
In regards style of play, I've noticed people talking about Fergie's lean years and how we weren't that great under a transition period

Have a look at this and tell me we play anywhere close to this sorta stuff....Despite being under transition.

Not having a go, just curious as to how you tell me different. We're not going to their place and play this sorta stuff next week
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I agree...the argument that barren spell under Fergie was in any way or form simmialr to what we are experiencing now is beyond stupid.
 
"Best defender i ever worked with..." to letting him go on a free months later.

Hes going to give the arm band to Rooney isn't he. fecking hell.
 
Sunny Jim said:
I agree...the argument that barren spell under Fergie was in any way or form simmialr to what we are experiencing now is beyond stupid.
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So how did we ever manage to top our Champions League group? There's more than just a little exaggeration going on here.

A few seconds of a video doesn't prove anything.
 
Rednotdead said:
So how did we ever manage to top our Champions League group? There's more than just a little exaggeration going on here.

A few seconds of a video doesn't prove anything.
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6 games is way less a sample size than what you've seen in the league, and even then it wasn't like it was impressive throughout, Leverkusen aside we scored 3 goals in 4 games.
 
Feeky Magee said:
6 games is way less a sample size than what you've seen in the league, and even then it wasn't like it was impressive throughout, Leverkusen aside we scored 3 goals in 4 games.
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It seems to me there's a bit of cherry-picking going on here. So we're discounting the games we've played well in and only counting the games we haven't played well in?
 
Rednotdead said:
It seems to me there's a bit of cherry-picking going on here. So we're discounting the games we've played well in and only counting the games we haven't played well in?
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No, although if we were doing that we'd be done discounting pretty fecking quick. The point is that when you're holding up topping the Champions League group as evidence that things aren't going that badly, it's important to point out that we played very well for 2 games and averagely for 4. The 1-0 win over Shaktar at Old Trafford was no better than we've played in many of our home losses this season. In isolation, it was a fine group stage, when it's by a million miles the best thing about the season, it's important to point out that a) it's a smaller sample size and b) it wasn't all that great.
 
Rednotdead said:
It seems to me there's a bit of cherry-picking going on here. So we're discounting the games we've played well in and only counting the games we haven't played well in?
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His record in Europe is very good, no one should debate that, however on paper it's a group we should have won comfortably.
You say cherry-picking and discounting the games we played well in, I can think of two games out of the six were our play was to a good or high standard in UCL. In the PL, Maybe two or three.
 
S.A.N.F said:
Right, I don't post much and I'm certainly not "trolling" as I've seen some talk about people who haven't been posting much but come to criticize the club and kick it whilst its down.

I have a thing against Moyes. I was for his appointment, I trusted Fergie to know what is good for the future of the club. I trusted Fergie to make the right decision. I did not question it, I did not even for one moment question that he is the man for the job even after the disastrous start to the 2014 calendar year. But now I do.

First of all, Moyes does not seem like manager of Manchester fcuking United in a press conference. He has no presence, is always full of excuses and just reeks of small time mentality. I know this may seem unfair and even unrelated to football, but if watching a press conference of the man talking for two minutes leaves you with "I am sure he knows what he is doing - he's the manager of Man United, but maybe he doesn't?" feeling then how is he supposed to control a dressing room full of millionaires and keep them motivated and on their toes? Again, this is speculation, I have no idea about what goes on in the dressing room but certainly one of the reasons the "fear factor" has been broken is that David Moyes as a person does not look or act intimidating and doesn't particularly look sure of himself as well.

Second of all, in the past few games we have had some bad decisions against us, I fully expected the camera-man to have a couple of seconds of the manager of our team, the manager of Manchester United, going mad and harassing the officials. Nope, he is sat there like a child with no pocket money, sobbing and cursing at his misery. Would Mourinho or Fergie not fight the officials for every call, every offside, every foul, every corner? No, but David Moyes, a manager particularly in need of every damn decision, seems like he doesn't want to fight. Do you not remember a 70 year old Fergie racing down the stairs to have a go at the officials vs Real Madrid? Where is the fire in Moyes?

Then the Mata signing happened. Look, he's a fine player, a very good player. Chelsea's best player actually. But suddenly Moyes who is the manager of the champions, the team that won the league by a landslide only last season, the team full of champions and Champions League winners, he suddenly bashes the team and even his previous signing, by going on and on and on and on about how he wants to sign good players and improve the squad and this is the first of many. The quotes are actually much worse than what I wrote, I don't remember them but it sure sounded like Moyes isn't convinced at all by the team and he has gone about saying shit like this publicly. Is he fcuking daft? What's a Tom Cleverley supposed to think when he watches his manager on Sky saying he signed Mata because he is shit and plays in a shit team full of shit players? What has Moyes won? Cleverly has won the league.

Also, Moyes' tactical decisions are baffling. Why bring Welbeck on for fcuking Jones? It's like a 15 year old playing Football manager against a weaker team and saying "The more strikers I have the more goals I will score". Hasn't he heard of patience? Hasn't he heard of controlling the game? What did he expect? Seriously, I genuinely ask, what kind of football did Moyes think we were going to play in the remaining time of the game when he brought on Welbeck for Jones? I don't remember a single, A SINGLE, good phase of play from us except for the Rooney left footed miss on the left hand post.

And lastly, as many have mentioned, we lack identity and cohesion on the pitch. Admittedly I have watched us last season at times and wondered how the fcuk are we on top of the league because we are so boring to watch and predictable yet seemed to win games. What is the philosophy of David Moyes? Does he have one? What kind of Football does he want to play? We are midway through the season, and it can be summed up by "shit, random, send it to the wing and cross football". There's not even a hint of him trying to establish any kind of change, which is what most worries me.

What do I want? I want Manchester United to win, to play good football. Honestly every game now is torture for me, win or lose. I feel so so bad for David, he's got himself in quite the shit situation hasn't he. Give him until Christmas even if we miss out on top 4. If he is still looking like a cat who's just seen something for this first time and is poking around with his paws to figure it out then give him the sack. We don't got fcuking time for that drama. We are a serious football club competing for serious trophies. fcuking about is not good, Fergie blessed or not.

I wish nothing but success to Moyes, I hope he can turn this around and prove Fergie is right and we are all a bunch of impatient spoiled cnuts, but I don't see it happening.
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I couldn't agree more about some of you acting like spoilt brats.

Football doesn't work like some of you think. Having the same manager for 26 years has huge advantages but once he goes it then becomes a huge disadvantage. Players have known exactly where they are for many seasons and become a real 'team' whereas now there is a lot of uncertainty which I think is showing in their play. I can see why Ferguson left when he did....even allowing for the team winning the league it was creaking at the back with Vidic and Rio needing replacing, Giggs had served his time, Rooney needed persuading to stay and the season following a league title is always the hardest.

Time is something owners rarely give their managers but that is exactly what Moyes needs. I am fairly sure he'll get that time from the owners but maybe the fans will turn MU into what every other PL club has become and force their manager out. MU fans need to realise that Moyes is not Ferguson and to suggest he doesn't have passion or is trying is more than a bit daft. Of course he is trying but he and your team is in for a period of transition.
 
Marching said:
I couldn't agree more about some of you acting like spoilt brats.

Football doesn't work like some of you think. Having the same manager for 26 years has huge advantages but once he goes it then becomes a huge disadvantage. Players have known exactly where they are for many seasons and become a real 'team' whereas now there is a lot of uncertainty which I think is showing in their play. I can see why Ferguson left when he did....even allowing for the team winning the league it was creaking at the back with Vidic and Rio needing replacing, Giggs had served his time, Rooney needed persuading to stay and the season following a league title is always the hardest.

Time is something owners rarely give their managers but that is exactly what Moyes needs. I am fairly sure he'll get that time from the owners but maybe the fans will turn MU into what every other PL club has become and force their manager out. MU fans need to realise that Moyes is not Ferguson and to suggest he doesn't have passion or is trying is more than a bit daft. Of course he is trying but he and your team is in for a period of transition.
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Giving managers time is overrated as hell. I can list you more managers sacked too late than too early. What has Moyes shown that makes you think he will come good with time?
 
One can write about the failings of the squad and the enormity of the task in succeeding SAF, but none of it completely mitigates the atrocious performance of the team under Moyes.

What we have seen has been utter, complete wank, week after week. No attacking ideas and a spineless, porous defence. From the outside looking in the mentality of the players has been half arsed, and the management weak and defeatist. There has been no discernible emergence of a tactical evolution or plan, other than the statistical evidence showing an increasing reliance on crosses from fullbacks.

The only basis by which Moyes and his staff continue to receive support from the fan base, in particular match going fans, is an adherence and belief in the philosophy of the club to show patience. That and pure faith. Because from an objective performance review, Moyes has been an unmitigated failure to date with no outward signs of promise.

I'll support him until he leaves but will not make excuses for someone who just simply hasn't performed well enough in any aspect of his job that I am able to judge from the outside, so far.
 
Marching said:
I couldn't agree more about some of you acting like spoilt brats.

Football doesn't work like some of you think. Having the same manager for 26 years has huge advantages but once he goes it then becomes a huge disadvantage. Players have known exactly where they are for many seasons and become a real 'team' whereas now there is a lot of uncertainty which I think is showing in their play. I can see why Ferguson left when he did....even allowing for the team winning the league it was creaking at the back with Vidic and Rio needing replacing, Giggs had served his time, Rooney needed persuading to stay and the season following a league title is always the hardest.

Time is something owners rarely give their managers but that is exactly what Moyes needs. I am fairly sure he'll get that time from the owners but maybe the fans will turn MU into what every other PL club has become and force their manager out. MU fans need to realise that Moyes is not Ferguson and to suggest he doesn't have passion or is trying is more than a bit daft. Of course he is trying but he and your team is in for a period of transition.
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Did anyone say that? Most people in the Moyes out camp have pointed to him not being upto the job rather than not trying to do the job.
 
Feeky Magee said:
Giving managers time is overrated as hell. I can list you more managers sacked too late than too early. What has Moyes shown that makes you think he will come good with time?
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This a million times, some people act like every manager given time comes good, and so far most of the Moyes stay camp has refused to answer a simple question:

Was Liverpool wrong to sack Woy when they did?
 
Feeky Magee said:
Giving managers time is overrated as hell. I can list you more managers sacked too late than too early. What has Moyes shown that makes you think he will come good with time?
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Zilch. We're all just hoping and praying right now really. There's nothing to base it on at all. If he was trying to change things up, maybe forcing the players to be braver in possession then there's some hope. But he's made us more direct, unimaginative and cowardly in possession than ever.
 
S.A.N.F said:
Right, I don't post much and I'm certainly not "trolling" as I've seen some talk about people who haven't been posting much but come to criticize the club and kick it whilst its down.

I have a thing against Moyes. I was for his appointment, I trusted Fergie to know what is good for the future of the club. I trusted Fergie to make the right decision. I did not question it, I did not even for one moment question that he is the man for the job even after the disastrous start to the 2014 calendar year. But now I do.

First of all, Moyes does not seem like manager of Manchester fcuking United in a press conference. He has no presence, is always full of excuses and just reeks of small time mentality. I know this may seem unfair and even unrelated to football, but if watching a press conference of the man talking for two minutes leaves you with "I am sure he knows what he is doing - he's the manager of Man United, but maybe he doesn't?" feeling then how is he supposed to control a dressing room full of millionaires and keep them motivated and on their toes? Again, this is speculation, I have no idea about what goes on in the dressing room but certainly one of the reasons the "fear factor" has been broken is that David Moyes as a person does not look or act intimidating and doesn't particularly look sure of himself as well.

Second of all, in the past few games we have had some bad decisions against us, I fully expected the camera-man to have a couple of seconds of the manager of our team, the manager of Manchester United, going mad and harassing the officials. Nope, he is sat there like a child with no pocket money, sobbing and cursing at his misery. Would Mourinho or Fergie not fight the officials for every call, every offside, every foul, every corner? No, but David Moyes, a manager particularly in need of every damn decision, seems like he doesn't want to fight. Do you not remember a 70 year old Fergie racing down the stairs to have a go at the officials vs Real Madrid? Where is the fire in Moyes?

Then the Mata signing happened. Look, he's a fine player, a very good player. Chelsea's best player actually. But suddenly Moyes who is the manager of the champions, the team that won the league by a landslide only last season, the team full of champions and Champions League winners, he suddenly bashes the team and even his previous signing, by going on and on and on and on about how he wants to sign good players and improve the squad and this is the first of many. The quotes are actually much worse than what I wrote, I don't remember them but it sure sounded like Moyes isn't convinced at all by the team and he has gone about saying shit like this publicly. Is he fcuking daft? What's a Tom Cleverley supposed to think when he watches his manager on Sky saying he signed Mata because he is shit and plays in a shit team full of shit players? What has Moyes won? Cleverly has won the league.

Also, Moyes' tactical decisions are baffling. Why bring Welbeck on for fcuking Jones? It's like a 15 year old playing Football manager against a weaker team and saying "The more strikers I have the more goals I will score". Hasn't he heard of patience? Hasn't he heard of controlling the game? What did he expect? Seriously, I genuinely ask, what kind of football did Moyes think we were going to play in the remaining time of the game when he brought on Welbeck for Jones? I don't remember a single, A SINGLE, good phase of play from us except for the Rooney left footed miss on the left hand post.

And lastly, as many have mentioned, we lack identity and cohesion on the pitch. Admittedly I have watched us last season at times and wondered how the fcuk are we on top of the league because we are so boring to watch and predictable yet seemed to win games. What is the philosophy of David Moyes? Does he have one? What kind of Football does he want to play? We are midway through the season, and it can be summed up by "shit, random, send it to the wing and cross football". There's not even a hint of him trying to establish any kind of change, which is what most worries me.

What do I want? I want Manchester United to win, to play good football. Honestly every game now is torture for me, win or lose. I feel so so bad for David, he's got himself in quite the shit situation hasn't he. Give him until Christmas even if we miss out on top 4. If he is still looking like a cat who's just seen something for this first time and is poking around with his paws to figure it out then give him the sack. We don't got fcuking time for that drama. We are a serious football club competing for serious trophies. fcuking about is not good, Fergie blessed or not.

I wish nothing but success to Moyes, I hope he can turn this around and prove Fergie is right and we are all a bunch of impatient spoiled cnuts, but I don't see it happening.
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This cracked me up!

Sadly I have to agree with most of your assessment on Moyes.
 
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