And a midfield.
Moyes So Far!
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Who's fault is it we don't have a midfield?
Chelsea seem to not have good strikers, they're coping rather well.
Thet talk to each other all the time by all accounts.
Thats a bit of an overreaction...
If he was sacked now and we brought someone in who salvaged 4th place, it could be a good thing he was here. We wouldn't have got Mata if we weren't so shit this season, Rooney might have been gone last summer if Moyes didn't make him stay and a few other things like Januzaj. We weren't going to win the title this season regardless, and after Fergie it was always likely that the first manager would struggle, and it was more likely (to me at least) that the second manager after Fergie would be successful. So in a way, we bring in Moyes to be shit for half a year, sign Mata and then get rid of him and then we recover and save 4th place and are right back amongst it next season
Plausible scenario right?
Hope it happens.
Well, Fergie mainly, and a bit Moyes too, but in his defence in that regard he has signed a central midfielder after trying to sign 2 others in the first disastrous window.
probably highlight how important a centre mid is, when we play giggs and jones cm and they play eto'o up front and they do better than us
Funny how Sir Alex managed to get the squad with no midfield to walk the league.
Nope, not funny, amazing.
how is it funny? its just impressive. but we all know he's the greatest ever, this just gives it something extra
honestly I think if you look at our team on paper we should be coming 4th this season. Moyes hasn't achieved that kind of form so far, but IMO the gap is between 4th and where he is now and not 1st and where he is now, anyone who thought we would win the league this year is nuts. So moyes is about 8 points off the pace he should be at, at this stage of the season IMO
Easy to compare it to last season when we won the league but as many people have already said, all the other teams have gotten a lot better, we've had far worse injuries and some decline in our best defenders from last season. Still not a good performance from Moyes, but it is some perspective.
Disagree!!
95% of this forum were on a hard on this time last year discussing how great our team is going to be and how players like Welbeck, Cleverely, Jones, De Gea, Kagawa and Rafael are going to turn into world class players and continue to lead us to success.
What's changed about them players now?
Nope squad wise we are 100% no worse than Chelsea the only difference is those managers have got their players performing. We have a few players in our squad who are very capable but they just havent shown it due to confidence and poor usage. Chelsea don't even have a functioning striker ffs we have 4. John terry looked terrible last season whereas Rio looked great. Luiz looks like an accident waiting to happen every match. Cahill is as average as defenders get. Infact the more I think about it the more obvious it is that we have a better squad than Chelsea "potentially" and according to their previous performances.
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Generally it's the manager who sets the targets. Can't see Woodward spending so long going after Fellaini, I don't like the guy but I can understand it's always so easy to blame the gnome headed board member.
He didn't start him there, 2 injuries forced it
With what midfielders?Should have went 3 at the back then
Pack out the midfield....3-7-0
3-0-7
"Get Roundy on boss! Shut up shop"
Can they all just stand on the goal line?
They'd eventually score....Carrick or Cleverley would go to pass backwards due to force of habit
Turn them round then.
Lost some respect for Rio after this antics today. Pathetic stuff - especially considering Moyes was praising him this week.
Do you want to give Cleverley a nose bleed??
What?Rio is a knob...I'm no fan of David Moyes the manager but, he doesn't deserve that
His brain wouldn't be able to comprehend that to put it into practice...He'd probably start bleeding out of his ears if he even thought about the future, never mind, looking forward
Oh, haha, I meant turn them round as in they'd all be standing on the goal line, with Cleverley and Carrick facing the net.
What he he say?
Theory still stands...Cleverley has the brain power of a sponge....And even that washes my balls in the morning so there's even a use for that
Before the start of the season if you have predicted 4th behind Arsenal most people will have laughed.
The issue here is that Mourinho has got his player exceeding the expectation whilst Moyes has ours underperforming. Remember Terry last season? or Luiz? Were the the envy of our champions? if you want to talk about decline, hasn't Terry got older too?
Poor Moyes.... Rio owes him nothing!! I'm glad Rio actually cares! His not a United fan and he pretty much if off at the end of the season. He could just pick up his wages and say nothing!! Maybe he doesn't like how the team he helped and fought with is being handled.
I have no idea what you're talking about but please keep going.
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Agree with this. What really screwed that side was selling Hughes and replacing him with Peter Davenport as well as the big names always being a bit to injury prone and some dodgy signings in the summer of 86. Bailey getting a career ending injury was also a blow but I can't fault Gary Walsh too much in his EARLY years for the club before he suffered that horrible injury.
Atkinson did do a good job at United but the start to that season was just too much. There were still plenty of good players at the club but we needed a good striker to replace Hughes, which Fergie covered with the signing of McClair who was the first striker for United in my lifetime who scord 20 odd goals in the league for United.
No Co-incidence that what was still largely Atkinson's side finished second Fergie's first full season.
I came here to post that quote but figured someone else would have. Can I remind you that "that old crap" were some of the final heartfelt words of Sir Alex's last hurrah. There are a lot of people in this thread who need their heads shaking.
It would be great to see that before the season's out so we have an idea of what to expect come August, especially when there will be squad improvements.The players here now have the quality.I hope Moyes will leave the 442 behind, he simply has to and I expect him to!
I think if we're in this position next season the support will not be there but there will be no chanting for his head.The silence will be deadly and plenty empty seats!
The only team with a better squad and starting 11 is city. Even then, if we bring in 1 world class midfielder we'll be on the same level. The main difference, and it's a huge difference, is that Chelsea and city have world class managers whereas we have a mid table at most manager and he's out of his depth at an attacking club as well as it being a big club expected to win, and win playing good football.
All those things go against moyes' strengths and what he did before, and he's shown nothing in the first 7 months that suggest he has what it takes to turn it around, not even the smallest sign that he's willing to change it for the better. In fact, he's made our play worse and the results have gotten worse as the season has gone on.
All those things go against moyes' strengths and what he did before, and he's shown nothing in the first 7 months that suggest he has what it takes to turn it around, not even the smallest sign that he's willing to change it for the better. In fact, he's made our play worse and the results have gotten worse as the season has gone on.
Look at Fergie and Rio last season, sometimes great managers can get a lot out of old players. I don't think anyone's claiming mourinho isn't the best manager in the world. The reason he isn't here is because of the disrespect he shows to his prior clubs, not because he's not the best manager in the world
And I agree that most people would have laughed pre season is we said that we wouldn't be better than arsenal, but we've seen a fairly swift decline of Rio/Vida/Evra (our world class defence) and Arsenal improving massively (don't think anyone would argue they've stayed the same and that's nothing to do with united)
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