We still might make the top 4 this season by the way, we need to gain 7 points on liverpool, 5 on Everton and 4 on Spurs. Quite achievable in my opinion.
Moyes So Far!
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well....maybe...but certainly not with the way we are playing at the moment. We would have to see quite a change I reckon.
I have a feeling it will when we get Mata, Rooney, RVP and a few others match fit. We've got 14 games to do it.
Yup. If we play our best football well be in with a big chance but given the abysmal nature of our performances it's very hard to see it happening.
Need a drastic change, something which Moyes's day to day management suggests isn't capable, to stand a chance of making top 4.
The other problem is we are chasing 3 teams for 1 spot as opposed to just 1 which would be a heck of a lot easier.
The other problem is we are chasing 3 teams for 1 spot as opposed to just 1 which would be a heck of a lot easier.
How would people feel if Moyes got us to 4th after this start?
We still have to play Arse, City, Everton and Liverpool. Could be 12 points lost... If Moyes gets us 4th it would be a miracle.
This year? I won't criticize him in the future (even if he relegates us) if that happens. Not that it is a big achievement - it was something that should have been a very easy task - but somehow he achieved to make the fourth place trophy look like a terrific achievement.
He would gain my respect.
And can we all agree that however unlikely it may seem, it is still a possibility?
When I think back to that where do you expect us to finish thread I made in september, nobody had us out of the top 4. Infact a lot still thought we would win the league. Look how things have turned out.
It would be like winning the league....
Getting relegated is also still a "possibility". So is winning the league...ah the joys of being mid-table
What do we really know about Moyes' day to day management? It's all guesswork.
Granted, fair point.
Apparently that works because Moyes will stay for the next 1 to 2 decades whilst Mourinho will leave after winning a few trophies, or something.
Honestly, depends on our style of play, that's what I'm more worried about. When you add that to everything else then it's understandable that people are frustrated with Moyes.
Fourth is a minimum, but if he gets it then he deserves a bit more time to get it right.
so you think Moyes deserves the same slack as Fergie,depsite two totally sets of circumstances and the fact that Fergie was a born winner and had pedigree, but Moyes has nothing.
at what point will you finally agree that the man is hopeless and not the right man for the job. the players didnt want him and going off the polls here when Fergie retired, very few on here wanted him either.
We could sign Kroos, Vidal, Messi, it doesn't matter. If Moyes doesn't know how to get the team to play with what we've got, then how will he manage with even bigger stars and egos...
I'm not saying he isn't, but a player held in such high regard by the fans and a loyal servant to this club, should know better given the current climate.
They very well could win us a game or two purely with their ability but, only way we go on a proper run from here on out is if the players are enjoying their football and at the moment, the way the Moyes has the team playing both in terms of style and confidence, it's going to take more than just those 3 fit. There are some tough games to come and for those the supporting players need to perform well enough for the likes of Rooney, RVP and Mata to make an impact.
Best tonic will be to thrash Fulham by playing some good football. It actually might be a big problem if we end up beating them by a goal or two from chances created from out wide and we end up as a team saying - "see it works, we can score plenty playing that way, just need to finish chances and get some luck"
More than those players, Moyes needs to really do something to inspire a charge.
I would be astonished and agree he deserves one more season.
...just like for his piss test.
Rio is off in the summer, so I guess he doesn't feel like he has much left to lose.
As pointed out, it's probably on the minds of many of our players. Just wish the management was strong enough to either stand up to them or find a way to relieve them of their worries.
As pointed out, it's probably on the minds of many of our players. Just wish the management was strong enough to either stand up to them or find a way to relieve them of their worries.
To be fair, there's quite a few teams in the league that are susceptible to a wide game. People are quite right in saying that we should have a plan B I admit, that may still come though.
Sir Alex won't come back, even until May. Right now he's looking better than we ever even thought he was, and he went out after winning the league. Why risk tarnishing his legacy and all for the best case scenario of 4th place?
I'm one of the few who thinks Moyes is more than capable of making this squad his own. Granted, he is isn't of the ability of SAF but with the right resources and team behind him he's definitely got a PL title in him here at United. Taking over the reigns at the start of the season was a huge ask for any manager - aging/depleted squad with a huge weight of expectancy on his shoulders, all the while trying to emulate the success of SAF in a league that is far stronger than the one we won last season. Those are a serious set of obstacles for a manager, let alone one that is new to a 'big' team like United.
I fully believe SAF had full right to have a big say in who took over from him and I have trust in him that Moyes is the man for the job. Yes, Moyes may have made a mistake in making such wholesale changes in the backroom staff, but he also had full right to do that. He's going to need time to show what he can do, both in the transfer market and otherwise. Really and truly, I think in such circumstances (and especially with the transfer window we had - the fault for which lies more with Woodward than Moyes) anything other than a tight top 4 finish would be a remarkable achievement. It's disappointing that we're in the position we are currently while also playing the crap type of football, but those are both manageable, short-term issues. Give Moyes another season. Hopefully we get that 4th CL spot, have a good Summer window and kick on from next season. We don't need to rush into decisions, we're not actually *that* worse off at the moment.
I fully believe SAF had full right to have a big say in who took over from him and I have trust in him that Moyes is the man for the job. Yes, Moyes may have made a mistake in making such wholesale changes in the backroom staff, but he also had full right to do that. He's going to need time to show what he can do, both in the transfer market and otherwise. Really and truly, I think in such circumstances (and especially with the transfer window we had - the fault for which lies more with Woodward than Moyes) anything other than a tight top 4 finish would be a remarkable achievement. It's disappointing that we're in the position we are currently while also playing the crap type of football, but those are both manageable, short-term issues. Give Moyes another season. Hopefully we get that 4th CL spot, have a good Summer window and kick on from next season. We don't need to rush into decisions, we're not actually *that* worse off at the moment.
Mathematically yes. In practice no. Mainly because we have to win 11-12 of our next 14 games, and until now we have won only 12 from 24. In order to do that, we need to go in a run that is title winning form. I just can't see it happen, especially when we have to play City and Liverpool at home, while Arsenal and Everton away. It is a very big possibility that we'll win only 0-5 points in those 4 games.
I'd like to add to this point (sorry for barging in mate) that we also don't know how many of those changes he was forced to make. With Fergie leaving some of the back-room staff might have been planning to jump ship regardless.
Not barged in at all - it's a good point. Supporters very rarely get an idea of how things work behind the scenes. Him changing his staff doesn't appear to have been the most shrewd thing to do at the moment with the type of football we're playing, but you just don't know how these things will change in the future.
Eric Steele confirmed that he and Phelan were sacked despite SAF adviced Moyes to keep them.
For Rene is a bit more difficult to know because in the beginning there were reports that he was offered a job in the academy so he resigned, but later there is a report or two that say that he was offered the assistant manager job but he resigned in order to become the assistant of Guus Hiddink (don't know if it makes sense to refuse the job at United in order to get the same job in a Russian club).
It's also possible that Liverpool, Everton and Spurs might hit a rough patch of form or get key player injuries. We have had some terrible luck this season, yes the football has been bad but the refs have been making up for the Fergie years, and the injuries have stacked up against us in key positions. It doesn't excuse DM and he has made a few mistakes in my opinion, but it still needs to be considered.
I agree. He is hopeless. And the polls here are very important, as you suggest. I realize that I have paid far too little attention to these polls. God bless you, child.
I said it all along but its not all dependent on the league position. He'll obviously stay if he gets 4th, but that should be the bare minimum with a squad including the wealth of attacking options that we have. I still doubt he'll turn us into title challengers or get us playing attractive football. He needs to drastically change everything he's done so far to change that opinion, because he's been doing it all wrong when it comes to matters on the football pitch. If we get 4th, which is still a real possibility, it'll be because we simply have too many world class players and they started just doing their own thing and making it work instead of listening to Moyes' tactics, and it made the difference rather then Moyes getting us there. He's just dragging us down and holding us back in my opinion, because every game our style seems more and more reliant on hitting it out to the wings or hoofing it up. That's all down to the training/coaching methods and the style that the manager wants.
Incredible, simply incredible... this very squad, minus 65m of signings walked the league last season. We're not that worse off?
1st to 7th isn't enough? What about all those defeats this season?
One of them yes, but it is unlikely that all three of them will become shit. And let's face it, the only way to get it is if all three of those teams become awful.
Despite Liverpool having a very difficult run of games in the last 5 weeks (including Chelsea and City away) and dropping many points, they have still managed to gain some points more than us.
I don't think that referees have been against us. It is just another excuse similar to those of Liverpool supporters every year. There have been some bad decisions against us (Young case against Spurs when we should have a pen and their keeper should have been send off), but also some in our favour (Rooney not getting send off in the firtst ten minutes against Cardiff, Aston Villa games).
There aren't any guarantees regarding the injuries. But anyway the other teams have faced them too. Liverpool was without Suarez for many games, and Gerrard and Sturridge got injured for several games too.
Have you been reading RAWK too much?
Have you seen that correct decisions website that says we should have won every single league title since 06/07?
So much wrong with this post but the bolded forced a wry smile and a shake of my grizzled, experienced head. 7 months, a drop in the ocean for me, a lifetime for our young Turks. Ah, the impetuosity of youth. Be patient, little ones.
That wouldn't involve any acting.
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