I don't feel confident about our home games after this season
Moyes So Far!
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Yes, I am delusional. I have never denied this. I'm quite proud of it, in fact. But I suggest you do some further research nevertheless. A year before Fergie took over, Big Ron's United were quite impressive. We started the '86 season spectacularly and were indeed well on the way to winning the league before Robbo got himself injured (as per usual) and it all went sour - we ended up 4th in the end after having won the ten first matches on the trot.
As for the mood around 1990 regarding Fergie and "ta-ra" I think you're very wrong. Many fans wanted him gone as I remember it. It was by no means a case of the average fan recognizing the work he was doing behind the scenes, patiently waiting for the inevitable turn-around. That was clearly not the case - and it very seldom is. Fans are fickle, impatient and - in many cases - not that bright.
Well, we won't get to play Bayern Munich next season...
But if we did spend 150m I'd expect the title.
That's best case scenario stuff for a team finishing 7th, for any manager really. What is it about him taking us from 1st to 7th and worsening our football, that suggests he can or will achieve the best set of results we can expect from this point? And that's considering we've ruined our chances of signing top quality players from this point due to lack of CL football.
I would like us to be challenging for the title next season if we spent £100million, in fact is like us to be serious challengers for the Champions League.
We have a decent squad, we only need a coupe of players to make it fantastic.
This is what I've been saying all along. He needs players that are that good they bridge the gap in his managerial deficiencies.
Sadly this is looking increasingly true. When he admitted he didn't know what he needed to do to win at the weekend I was literally gobsmacked.
yes that was depressing. It almost felt like he was reaching out for help....defeated...
It is quite shocking to think he has now spent 70 odd million already. I know Mata has just joined..and Fellaini has been injured of course...but dear me, I hope they both work out fine....since that is a pretty substantial lay out...
Bryan Robson actually did the right thing and asked for help when he was out of his depth at Boro.
Moyes should just ask Sir Alex to salvage 4th place for him.
Before he walks?
That would require qualifying for the Champions League.
That's implied.
Rio knows what he's doing and it's not on, not while the season is ongoing. It's a pointless, immature exercise. I appreciate he may not rate the manager, I suspect he's not the only one, but he needs to pack that in now.
I do think the players that leave, and there will be a fair few, will tear into Moyes come the Summer when given the opportunity. I wouldn't mind that, though, as they've left. It will be quite revealing.
I do think the players that leave, and there will be a fair few, will tear into Moyes come the Summer when given the opportunity. I wouldn't mind that, though, as they've left. It will be quite revealing.
Be so interesting to visit a parallel universe, with Fergie taking over now....and just see where we ended up at the end of the season.....
I can imagine that first visit to the dressing room and one monumental hair dryer session it wouldn't be believed
I'd love to be living in a parallel universe where we did the sensible thing and appointed Mourinho.Be so interesting to visit a parallel universe, with Fergie taking over now....and just see where we ended up at the end of the season.....
I can imagine that first visit to the dressing room and one monumental hair dryer session it wouldn't be believed
What position United should be in this season, before you say enough is enough with Moyes? 8th, 10th, 11th? Just genuine question.
That would require qualifying for the Champions League.
For a split second there I'd forgotten how bad it got, thanks for reminding me.
And if you think RVP did not carry the team on his back last season in the league then you are lying to yourself also. the LMA manager is a vote done by the managers of the premier league. That is a big achievement to be voted by your own peers. Its not a gimmick. There is no board or group involved. It is a vote by all the managers in the league.
I agree, the post is not incredible, but it is as far from 'completely biased, without arguments' as you can get.
Maybe next time, actually read before you comment. I am simply saying you can't sack the manager after half a season. It simply will not happen.
Not much sense in putting a number on it for me. The goal has to be 4th still - and that is possible. Liverpool could still lose the points we need 'em to lose. That isn't beyond the realm of more or less realistic possibilities. And if he can get our undoubted top class players to perform close to what they're capable of, we can do well in our remaining matches.
I don't know - it's not about the table position at this stage. I don't consider it a cataclysm if we don't qualify for the CL. I'll take that as a worst case scenario, but still a scenario we can live with IF we show clear signs of having turned it around before the end of the season. It depends on how we look on the pitch - it depends on the dressing room: If it becomes evident that he has indeed lost the dressing room, in the sense that the team as a whole simply isn't behind behind him anymore, then it's over regardless. We can't replace the whole team.
yes I would say that would be a huge nail in the coffin for Moyes.
Those are some pretty evident comments from Rio about Moyes. I really wouldn't be surprised if there are a few more who share a similar opinion.
What exactly are you asking me here?
Also, there's games left, are we definitely finishing 7th?
You've made that up. I've never said anything remotely like that.
Very daft by Rio.
At the same time, my guess is it must be crossing the minds of a lot of our players.
Still wring, mind you.
At the same time, my guess is it must be crossing the minds of a lot of our players.
Still wring, mind you.
Wait so after spending 150+ million on transfers in the summer, you wouldn't expect results?
What so hes gonna need another 150 mill in the next window?
How is that what I said at all?
Is a better league position not a result?
Have we spent 150m yet?
Quote me by all means, how about reading what you're quoting though?
OK, no question here, moving on...
What's to suggest he will definitely 100% fail?
You said you expect him to get 4th next season. We all know that in the summer Moyes plans on spending "alot" of money he himself has mentioned many targets like Mata.
So if this happens and you still only expect 4th then theres no way we can ever laugh at the likes of Chelsea or Man city.
Minimum expectation. If we spend 150m this summer I'd expect us to mount a challenge for the title but wouldn't be angry at a top 4 finish. The team would only gel instantly in an ideal world.
My point is the excuses will continue to ring out for Moyes no matter what.
Glad you got there eventually. Also, I've still got no idea if he's the right man for the job yet.
In fairness that a good point, I suppose you could use Spurs as a very good example to that. I'd still hope we'd be challenging for the league, but if we showed promise in our style of play then top 4 wouldn't be all that bad.
Then it's Stack.
That's pretty much how I see it mate.
I dont think so. If we were in a top 4 position now, I doubt people would be complaining as much. Realistically speaking no one expected him to the win the title this year. But the least that was expected, given our squad and us being reigning champions, is that we at least get 4th place. Almost everyone had come to terms with the fact that he was going to be given time. I wasnt in favor of us hiring Moyes but once the league started I stuck with him and changed my mind. But with the way the past couple of months have gone, its not easy to say if he is the right man for the job.
No he (RVP) didn't. He didn't score in 10 games or so in a row and we won almost all of them. There were a lot of posters here who thought that Carrick had a better year than him.
LMA is a bullshit award. Mainly because it is voted by managers and they are biased. Friendship votes, influence votes, votes for people of same nationality etc. Steve Coppell won it twice in a row after Moyes, Roy Hodgson, Alen Curbishley, George Burley and Alen Pardew are among other winners. Morinho isn't. It is the same stuff as FIFA World Player of the year. Ridiculous award.
You can sack the manager after half of season. In fact you can sack him whenever you want. Sometimes is a bad thing (see Mourinho from Chelsea), sometimes is a good thing (see Villas Boas at Chelsea). There isn't any theorem that says that sacking the manager after half of season is a bad thing. There are countless examples that it has worked.
I would love to see your arguments about how we are playing better than last season, or how Moyes is learning fast.
It was a post that if it has been posted in RAWK several years ago, it would have been copies in RAWK goes into meltdown thread and would have had countless
as responses.I agreed with this. 4th more or less one position is still the minimum, plus the improvement of performance. Although the later is a grey area, but at least it's still much better than 'only judge him on 2nd season' proposal.
I never expected Moyes to win either, but the point is expecting top 4 wasnt all that crazy to expect. Moyes isnt doing that but hey there are excuses we all know them by now. In the summer Moyes will try to buy a load of players and if he doesnt get the right ones, the excuses will come "its a world cup year" etc. Next season he needs to be in with a chance for the title. No excuses.
Sorry for quoting your post (cause you are becoming aggressive on people who do that). But 150 + 65m = 215m. How you would be okay with the fourth place in that case?
A lot of people were against Mourinho cause he apparently win titles only if he has unlimited funds, and because we don't, then Moyes who gives the youngsters a chance and is great at transfer market (not that any of them is true but anyway) is a better choice for United. And now I see Moyes' brigade saying that the solution is to give Moyes unlimited funds to bring several world class players, and even then it would be ok the fourth place. If that's the case, wouldn't have been better to have appointed a manager who at-least guarantees something more than the fourth place if he gets unlimited funds.
I have yet to see from people who still think that Moyes is the right man arguments about how Moyes should start playing players from academy, make adademy better, find gems in transfer market. Things that apparently he was good at it. All I can see, is give Moyes 100-150m and then see how it does. If he can't do anything with this group of player then what's the guarantee to do better with some other good players? What if those players aren't as good? Then sack him nd give the other manager 200m pounds to sign some other players. And if it doesn't work, give to the next one again that sum? And if it doesn't work again, go bankrupt?
The other part that is going into my nerves (not necessarily from you) is that this isn't Moyes team so he is faultless. Has there ever happened in the history of football that the new manager instantly get rid of the team and sign a lot of players to make the team his own? Yet, there are plenty of managers who have success immediately (or shown good signs). Moyes isn't doing it, so the Caf came with a new expression in football dictionary 'it isn't his team'.
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