If in another year's time we are 7th and not looking like making 4th then just maybe.
Moyes So Far!
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If in another year's time we are 7th and not looking like making 4th then just maybe.
Maybe? Come on...
After seven months of ballsing up almost everything and our football regressing with every passing game, and above all no attempts being made at changing anything to see if it improves the situation, I don't think it's knee-jerk. It would have been knee-jerk after the West Brom game. I've seen enough at this point.
He has not shown any sign of having a clue. I wish he was the best manager in the World to be honest. If Ferguson can somehow get his way into his head then he would surely become just that. But up to now he has certainly been a major flop.
Wenger, Brendan Rogers, Martinez? All seem quite competent to me.
Moyes has been left with an aging squad and with far too much deadwood and almost no discernible midfield. It will take a while to fix.
I wouldn't go as far as suggesting Moyes is clueless, he clearly isn't. He should be commended for the excellent job he did at Everton. On his appointment I stated he deserved the chance at the top club. He's a good manager, but that's the problem. He's exactly that, a good manager. Not a great manager, which is the standard required here. It's the biggest job in British football, and one of the biggest in Europe. It should go to a quality manager with charisma and a track record of success.
Sorry, the joke backfired.
It was a double entendre on watching Davids "sack" ....
I'll get me coat...
When is West Brom away? They have a good omen for getting the managers the sack!
You lot are a bunch of spoilt children.
Unfortunately in the footballing world today, you cant really avoid the sack if you dont produce. That has what the world has come to. It is a business and there is so much more money involved today in football, in running and managing a club than there were in the 80's. So the pressure is that much more. The consequences of us not making Europe next season are going to severe. The amount of money and revenue the club will lose is just humungous. If you are the owner and lets say you are hypothetical losing £30-50m, would you be happy about it? The Glazers will be thinking whats the guarantee that giving Moyes time will yield results? They might want to cut their losses now than progress on with Moyes for another season hoping it might work out and I dont blame them for it. Ultimately its a business and for now they are patient because Moyes was Fergie's choice. Im sure they would have liked to bring the likes of either Pep or Mou to continue the success.
We aren't Chelsea. Personally I'd give him a minimum of 2 full seasons almost no matter what i.e. not at risk of relegation.
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I do not blame Moyes for our downfall I blame the Glazers, and also that Thunderbirds Pilot guy Woodward. Moyes is doing his best. But he needs to try something different than hoofing and trying to get the ball to the byline. Only for someone who has no success with crossing the ball to send it into the box or far side of pitch. I am sorry to say this but we have become a hoof the ball team. We can only improve.
I said two seasons initially, but with visible progress in either the football or results. We've seen neither in fairness.
Don't you think that there might be a possibility that you are wrong and sacking Moyes would be the best course of action?
And about the maybe part, wouldn't you be convinced that he isn't the man for the job if again next year we finish seventh with no signs of improvement? I think at the moment almost all people here are either spoilt (by wanting to get rid of him) or deluded (by thinking that he'll turn it around).
I think we already proved we are not Chelsea. Im pretty sure he would have already got fired at Chelsea given the fact that he is already out of Carling and FA Cups and is not even in the European positions. There is no way we are going to fire him now. So he will to the end of the season. I think 12 months is ample time to judge a manager. And its not like he was brought in September where he wouldnt have had time to get the players he wanted. He knew he was going to get the job in May and he had until the end of August to buy who ever he wanted, that almost four months.
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Damn that Eddy Woodward and Glazers for turning us into a hoof ball team!! They watch too much Superball. What's next De Gea running with the ball from box to box.
Trust me, the 'how can it get any worse?' feeling is not a good one. Moyes, to his credit, has always given an answer to that question.
I blame the flying Spagheti Monster for making the fixtures unfair.
NP Man Utd Mrs, I will be a gentleman and give you my seat instead
How exactly are the Glazers at fault here? I have never really defended them regarding the finances but it does seem that the money is available if we need to buy. Thats the most they can do. They cant come and manage the team. Woodward, absolutely yes and definitely Moyes are to blamed but the Glazers have nothing to do with.
What do you mean by progress in results? If compared to where they were when he took over, that was champions by 11 points.
I was trying to be clever
Your humour is wasted on us.
Sure, we can give Moyes the benefit of another season. We can do that. And I think there is a lot of truth in the 'too big to fail' argument. But let us remember that it is based on the whim of ideas like 'philosophy' and general moral superiority because we are Manchester United, and not 'a club like Chelsea'. It is not based on merit or any idea of progress.
If we stand by Moyes for too long out of a belief in the British managerial orthodoxy but are ultimately wrong in that judgement, any successor will then be walking around with an axe hovering above his head unless he wins major honours in the first season.
People here are willing to buy into a vision over the long term, the doubt is whether Moyes is the one to implement it.
People here are willing to buy into a vision over the long term, the doubt is whether Moyes is the one to implement it.
You don't appoint managers and then sack them before they have a had a chance to make it their team. That doesn't mean he will succeed but you don't sack managers before you give them enough rope.
They are very clever guys, so we will need to wait and see. The summer will really tell the true story. If we spend what we need to get the players we need then good, but if the excuses start coming again then we will all know the truth. This club was on a major upsurge even before the Glazers took over. Old Trafford had just been expanded, all the property around the stadium on the north side was being bought up with a view to extending the north stand and building it like the south stand. The club was a major success in Europe and England under SAF. The Glazers came and bought the club with the clubs money. The club continued to be successful on the pitch and became a fantastic comodity which the Glazers have used to best effect. The sponsor deals and incoming cash has been really superb. But is this money on the pitch or in someones pocket. Well, United have signed Mata for 37 mill, granted that shows good intention. The summer will show the main intention. If we put the cash the club has, onto the pitch United can compete with anyone.
Yeah please tell us about the great famine of the 70's and 80's and how, being around at the time is now some sort of badge of honour.
The double standards here is ridiculous!! Pardew handed what? a 7 or 8 year contract? Everyone on this forum laughs at the guy and Newcastle when he loses "Oh haha so funny how stupid they were to give him a contract of that length" .....We give some mid table manager, who is not a winner in anyway shape or form, a 6 year contract and we say "Oh give him time. He has a long term plan. He's the main guy. Fergie told us this"
It's laughable! No wonder people hate us with our arrogant crap
Everyone at the start of the season dropped their standards and expectations for this guy! We all said "4th is fine. A decent cup run and the CL don't matter as he never experienced it before"....He can't even do that!! With the exception of the BL matches this year, we have been abysmal!
What excuses does he have? An aging squad? De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Rafael, Evans, Welbeck, Kagawa, Januzaj, Hernandez, all under the age of 26 and were all apparently (except Januzaj) going to be world class this time last year. Rooney, Nani, Valencia, Carrick, RVP are hardly on the edge of retirement are they?
The Midfield? He had an entire summer to sort it out! He had an entire month recently to sort it!
I have no problem debating this subject with anyone, no matter what their opinion is...But when the ones on the side of not getting rid, back up their views with the likes of "It's not the United way" "Fergie told us to back him" "He's a good guy and a good manager" "He has a long term plan" I give up!....
With the exception of the fact he's clearly not afraid to spend money, can someone give me a decent case as to why Moyes is the right man for the job?.....Give me 5 good reasons why he is
EDIT: Sorry if this comes across as having a go. Tis very frustrating is all
But that doesnt really explain the reason as to why you are saying this downfall that we are having this season is partly down to the Glazers. The stuff you havent mentioned about their takeover and buying land or whatever was years ago. What does that have to do with us being in 7th right now? Also we spent £27m on Fellaini and we might lose around £30-50m if we dont make the 4th spot. We have loans to take care of so I wont be surprised if we dont spend more than £30-35m this summer.
There's one thing, not getting results there's another thing not getting results, alienating players, playing dire football and generally not looking like having a plan how to run the club.
I understand Wibble, I am also an old fan of United and support the team since 1967.BUt today United are much larger than they were when I started supporting them. There is no need for so much mediocrity unless penny pinching is behind it. This club has the financial clout to be up there challenging for the title of its country and also for the champions league each and every season. And if United are not doing that, then the club is either being mismanaged or used.
Progress from what we have seen this year. There's been done.
If we spend at least 120 mill in summer(wisely) my worries will be unfounded.
£120m? Even City and PSG wont spend that much. What makes you think we are going to? We dont have that much.I'm genuinely curious.
When people say to give Moyes time, are you saying that because you honestly think he's the right man to lead us or are you saying that because you want to keep some moral high ground over evil clubs like Real Madrid, Chelsea and City who don't stick by their manager when things aren't going so well?
When people say to give Moyes time, are you saying that because you honestly think he's the right man to lead us or are you saying that because you want to keep some moral high ground over evil clubs like Real Madrid, Chelsea and City who don't stick by their manager when things aren't going so well?
After we have had a net spent of 80m on the last 12 months. Not even City can do that anymore.
I'm hoping it's the moral high ground....I'd be all for giving him time if there was a shred of evidence that he is the right man....That's how desperate I am
How many players do you think we need to buy out of interest?
Moyes having to spend 180m [excluding wages] simply to gain parity could not have been part of the plan, after all we had just bought three new players for the squad during the preceding 12 months.
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