Moyes So Far!
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This might be my rubbish blond brain at work.... but aren't we 6 months into the season?
They are a much bigger club than Villa, they have a better team than us and their finances have doubled in the last 5 years.
He loves them and is loved by them. He is there to stay.
Madrid is a bigger club than us - at least in the nineties - but Ferguson wouldn't have leave us for them. Why is it so hard to understand that still nowadays there are some loyal people around? And Klopp is one of them. It doesn't matter that we are bigger or have more money.
They are a much larger club of course, it's not even debatable. You could probably say they are on par with arsenal, but are growing quickly. You saying it's the plain truth doesn't make it that. It's pure ignorance and shows that you don't really know much of football outside of the premier league.
I know how you feel. If he leaves Dortmund in the next few years of his own accord, I'd be very surprised.
true,but the moyes out brigade has been active fir some time now
i wasn t referring to you, but there are plenty over here that have been calling for moyes head for some time now
Nah, they were really only active after the Sunderland game and it's been growing slowly since (with good reason to be fair considering our 2014 form).
Most are willing to give him time provided we finish in the top 4. That's the expectation people have which is very realistic to say the least. As we keep falling ridiculously off pace even for that, some are getting desperate. Even then the majority is willing to give him the season to turn it around.
He'll leave them by either becoming totaly shit and getting sacked or realizing that he cannot send them any further.
I have a feeling that neither of these two things will happen anytime soon (if ever).
We are not classy...No matter how much we want to tell ourselves we are
They have 8 league titles and an UEFA Champions League. Their revenue is eleventh in football (more than twice of Aston Villa). They lead when it comes to the number of matchgoers in the world.
Was that a serious question? Do you know that football exists outside of England? I am serious, there are people who runs with the ball outside of England. I have seen it on TV.
So bacically we are saying if the Barcelona or Madrid job came up.. Klopp would stay at Dortmund to finish off his project. Thats fine if its the truth.
It is the truth. Madrid already tried coming in for him before and he turned them down saying there's no chance he's leaving for the next few years at the very least.
Edit: he recently extended his contract saying he's not going anywhere until 2018.
The club won't sack moyes this summer, but in my opinion moyes owes the club, the fans and saf some sort significant improvement before the end of the season to get us to believe he can turn it around, he needs to get something right, a working system, a decent long run of results, fitting his new signings well, anything really, because so far he's failed on every level, if the seasons kept getting worse then i see no reason why he should keep his job.
They have 8 league titles and an UEFA Champions League. Their revenue is eleventh in football (more than twice of Aston Villa). They lead when it comes to the number of matchgoers in the world.
Was that a serious question? Do you know that football exists outside of England? I am serious, there are people who runs with the ball outside of England. I have seen it on TV.
7 league titles and 1 European cup not to mention other domestic achievements. Maybe you should pay more attention to your own league. Aston Villa as shit as they maybe now are a very big English club.. Flipping they held every single FA cup semi final... There's a reason for that.
Fair enough some managers are like that but lets not play it like his staying because Dortmund have a greater appeal.
Why else? You think they forced him to extend his contract for another two years?
I think the club's finishing it for him by flogging his best players to Bayern.
They were a big European Cup when they won the trophy and won league titles. They haven't won any of them in the last 30 years though.
Dortmund has won a lot of trophies in the last 3 years. They were in final last year. Before they had financial problems they were competing in Europe too and won the trophy. They have more matchgoers than any other club. The best atmosphere in Europe. Some of the best players. One of the best managers around. Likely the best training facility. A very big revenue.
It was a time when Villa was as big/bigger than Dortmund. Now they aren't even near.
Lets not derail the thread more.
I'm not derailing the thread your just missing my point by failing to listen to what i was pointing out. His achievements with Dortmund would be equivalent to if he took over Aston Villa and won them 2 Championships. As rich as their history is it does not make them a top elite club. Aston Villa are a very big club in England. Either way a different debate.. I still believe if we broke the bank we would get him.
That was a different football universe. Things changed much more slowly back then; financial disparities were not as great; money didn't talk as loudly; top playing talent was much less mobile - weaker clubs were often able to hold onto their best players; the distribution of success was more even; there were no foreign players in the English leagues, so the pool of available talent was much smaller; etc. Now, clubs with cash can buy success quickly, as Chelsea, City, PSG and Monaco have recently shown.
A manager with the financial resources available to David Moyes should only be given 3/4 years if he has to build a 'project' from the ground up. Which is far from the case here - DM inherited a winning side. A few well-chosen purchases in the summer would have addressed the major weaknesses in the team. And there have been so many other signs that Dave is not the right man for the job.
Tradition, philosophy etc. are only useful if they contribute to success, which is the purpose of a football club. They're means, not ends. We shouldn't be looking to do things any differently to other top clubs. Even if they were stupid enough to appoint him in the first place, none of our rivals would retain the services of David Moyes for 3 years.
Even were the support of the board to provide him with enough job security to survive a poor league position, i can't think it wise to give Dave the entire contents of the club's transfer fund. If he ends up being sacked in November where does that leave a replacement so far as resources go?
Some restrictions at board level might also prevent him from taking daft decisions in regard to gutting the squad, mhe should be made to realsie that he has to produce improvements with what he inherited.
Some restrictions at board level might also prevent him from taking daft decisions in regard to gutting the squad, mhe should be made to realsie that he has to produce improvements with what he inherited.
Sometimes fans banners are aimed at the opposition, and can be funny, even when you are at the end of the joke
This one is boring, tacky and doesn't really work for anyone, I doubt many intelligent City fans thought much about it. http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dclGA?...ium=newsletter&utm_campaign=manchester-united
This one is boring, tacky and doesn't really work for anyone, I doubt many intelligent City fans thought much about it. http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dclGA?...ium=newsletter&utm_campaign=manchester-united
Sir Alex Ferguson: "We have built up a strong staff with experience and knowledge of this club and it's players, and behind the scenes so, when I do retire, the transition will be as smooth as it possibly can be"
David Moyes: "Get lost all of yeeee. Call yourselves coaches? Wait till you see what Roundy, uncle Jim and filthy Phil can do!! I need more players, you're crap you lot!"
Aye Fergie. Smooth is the word
David Moyes: "Get lost all of yeeee. Call yourselves coaches? Wait till you see what Roundy, uncle Jim and filthy Phil can do!! I need more players, you're crap you lot!"
Aye Fergie. Smooth is the word
aye, it's true that historically Villa are a relatively big club. But today they're not. Not even close. And maybe won't be again, ever. To a larger extent this applied to Liverpool (and still does, though it seems to be slowly changing).
Maybe I underestimated both Dortmund's financial strength and Klopp's loyalty to them. They quite easily have a better atmosphere in their stadium than us and play better football. I don't think they're necessarily a better team (if the managers are taken out of the equation) and it would be a very tasty project to come to United for most people...but yeah, let's put it down to wishful thinking...now where is that list again
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Agreed! We are pretty down to earth now after two decades on cloud 9. Sad but realistic.
That's my major fear - that he gets another season, ends up being replaced and does some damage on the way. But as long as he's here we have no way back to completely back him both in signings and sales.
Nobody can defend him for this, nobody.
The sensible ones amongst us were saying this from the day his name was revealed...
I would like to utterly demolish with a baseball bat, the people who said Mourinho would "Only" give 3-4 years of success, as if that was a bad idea!
He was the only one arrogant enough who would think he could IMPROVE on Fergie's work.
Being below his old outfit Everton is just hilariously ironic! Unfortunately no one's laughing. (except for all the ABUs)
This is just very sad. It's awful actually. We used to laugh at teams like stoke but now it seems like they play more "football" than us.
It's why I'm annoyed when people say shit like "but we've always been about wing play" or "but Fergie did the same".
No, we didn't play this horribly under Fergie, even excluding results. Nowhere near. We never were as clueless, as lacking in imagination and as lifeless in attack. There was always variety of sorts. Last season mainly due to the movement and skill of van Persie, other seasons because of a brilliant Rooney through the middle, or Nani cutting inside, or the Ronaldo/Tevez/Rooney-combo and so on.
The main problem is that we're not creating opportunities in open play. As Delaney stated in another article, instead of blaming bad luck we should ask ourselves: How did we get so bad as to depend on being lucky to beat the likes of Stoke every weekend?
And that with our wingers...
Did anyone really expect this?
It's insane....Between that and "oh go support City or Chelsea if you don't like this" I don't know which is worse!
I hate my Sister, but I'm not going to feck off and trade her in for someone else am I?
It's insane....Between that and "oh go support City or Chelsea if you don't like this" I don't know which is worse!
I hate my Sister, but I'm not going to feck off and trade her in for someone else am I?
We play through the middle less than stoke city. That is very difficult to take in. The whole team has underperformed and it all boils down to the management and so called tactics.
That's what pisses me off the most. We shouldn't have to resort to luck to beat teams in the bottom half of the table. It's a terrible excuse.
Only a Tottenham fan at work. But then he also insists Anderton was better than Beckham, thinks West Ham are a bigger club than Chelsea, was insistent Bale wouldn't go, and is pretty much wrong on everything else.
4th was seen as the absolute bottom end.
He has had some ridiculous luck in fairness. The worst I've seen from a top 10 Premier manager. But you can normally outride the bad luck moments if everything else is in order.
At least he's stopped talking about winning the league.
This summer is going to be the most important summer in living memory.
If he lashes 150m and still doesn't get us competing, then we'll be in a right sh!T heap of a position.
Although I won't call for his head I'd have to say if you sacked him today I would not protest at all.
That's a pretty sad state of affairs eight months into a managers career but it is how I feel.
That's a pretty sad state of affairs eight months into a managers career but it is how I feel.
The numbers, percentage-wise, aren't that different from 09/10 to 13/14. I'm assuming that other teams have increased their amount of attacks through the middle in the same period of time, which makes our fall from 5th to 20th in the league possible, despite a difference of only 6%. If that's the case, it shows us regressing while almost all the other teams are evolving and taking on a more modern approach. It would be interesting to see other the other teams' numbers from year to year to see if my assumptions are correct.
Luckily, attacks through the middle aren't necessarily directly related to performance. Unluckily, with wingers who can't cross a ball to save their lives, they are.
Luckily, attacks through the middle aren't necessarily directly related to performance. Unluckily, with wingers who can't cross a ball to save their lives, they are.
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