No, we'd be pissing ourselves laughing which is what they're doing.If Man City, who came 2nd last season, hired Moyes and is sitting 7th right now; do United fans would think Moyes just needs time and everything will come good for the City?
Fans are already getting pissed. He will surely get to the end of this season. We wont make the top four. Lets say he brings a few players. If we make the top four, then I guess there is a chance he might get a 3rd season. But if manages to stay outside the top 4 next season as well, there is no way in hell the fans are going to be okay with him getting a 3rd season.
No, we'd be pissing ourselves laughing which is what they're doing.
Do you honestly think the Glazers wont step in if we finish outside the top 4 two seasons in a row? You are highly mistaken. You talk like Ferguson owns the club or something. If they wanted to, they can fire Moyes tomorrow and I wont have any complains. If things go south, then they will really be thinking about change. This is not the 80's anymore. Success has to be instant to stay at the top and keep your job. Thats the world we live in. Its unforgiving for managers.Since when did the Glazers listen to the fans ? The key is who is involved in the decision-making process. The only person who didn't particularly want Moyes was Gill (according to Miguel Delaney, Gill pushed hard for Mourinho but the others didn't want him) and his voice will be far less important now than it was then. For Moyes to be fired, the Glazers will have to over-rule Sir Alex on a footballing matter or Sir Alex will have to change his mind. We know the Glazers tend to take a long term view on matters. Over the longer term they won't tolerate a weak share price.
In hindsight it was madness to not hold a interview process.
IF they're ruthless successful businessman, they will know Sir Alex is no longer their most important employee.
Think of the Glazer's network, I'm sure there's literally dozens of footballing people who would be prepared to let them know in no uncertain terms that Moyes isn't the man for the job*.
*I may or may not be hoping this is the case.
Other than Sir Alex, who has the Glazers ear that knows anything about Football. Probably only Charlton and Gill but they are likely to go the same line as Fergie. The Glazers are going to defer to the people that know far more about football than they do which is fair enough but it could really bite us on arse unless they admit to their mistake.
Part of me hopes the Glazer's undermine Ferguson, this is how bad it has got. It is so painfully obvious Moyes isn't taken us anywhere but down.I can't see them making the decision to sack Moyes without first consulting Fergie. Chances are he's built up a lot of trust and deserved trust to be fair when it comes to matters of football. I think it's all going to come down to how strongly Fergie backs Moyes and convinces the Glazers that things will get better.
Part of me hopes the Glazer's undermine Ferguson, this is how bad it has got. It is so painfully obvious Moyes isn't taken us anywhere but down.
So, you think Ferguson was right in appointing Moyes?Kid Canto > Sir Alex Ferguson. Why don't you write to the club and provide them with your pearls of wisdom?
I don't think your prediction will be correct though. The pressure to sack him will come from various directions (players would be unhappy if we are not playing the CL and the Glazers wouldn't be happy if we are losing supporters and sponsors. etc ) I don't think Sir Alex would object to it too much because he's a clever man and after these months experience of Moyes, he probably is regretting his decisionHonestly though guys, how many of you can actually see us sacking Moyes this summer even if we drop to tenth? I can't see it at all. I think unless the man gets us relegated, he is going to get a second season.
Out of curiosity, how long are you willing to give Moyes? He aint going to the win the championship anytime soon. Not at least in the next 3 years. If he doesnt make the top 4 two seasons in a row, do you think he is still the right man for the job?Kid Canto > Sir Alex Ferguson. Why don't you write to the club and provide them with your pearls of wisdom?
So, you think Ferguson was right in appointing Moyes?
All to the power to you, you'd be one of very few to genuinely feel now that Moyes was the man over Mourinho, especially how it's panned out. Moyes has done very little positive in just over half a season. I'm not judging Moyes on the fact Ferguson, who has been wrong plenty of times in the past, hand picked him. I'm judging Moyes on two things: the results and the football. He's failing miserably at both. Miserably.Only time will tell. I'd trust his judgement over any persons on this planet seeing how well he knows a) the football club and b) each candidate that we could have brought in.
Only time will tell. I'd trust his judgement over any persons on this planet seeing how well he knows a) the football club and b) each candidate that we could have brought in.
Out of curiosity, how long are you willing to give Moyes? He aint going to the win the championship anytime soon. Not at least in the next 3 years. If he doesnt make the top 4 two seasons in a row, do you think he is still the right man for the job?
Fergie was actually pretty ruthless when it came to the good of United.
Has Moyes done anything to suggest to you he's the man to take us into the new era?It depends on the circumstances. If he rebuilds over summer and we're still as bad then I'll be concerned. I'm not absolving him of all blame but any reasonably minded person can see that a lot of things, which are out of his control, have not gone for us this season.
I'm not talking in hindsight when I say that last seasons team didn't perform that well. I said so at the time. A year on and it's got worse which really doesn't surprise me when we've been missing the core of players that dragged us through last season.
RVP, Rooney and Carrick have missed chunks of the season. They were integral last season. Every game one of our defenders seems to get injured or suspended. Players have made individual errors that have cost us. Players have blatantly underperformed despite playing the same role they have for years.
It's been incredibly frustrating but I really do believe things will turn around. Either the players will click again or we'll reshape the squad in summer to make sure this doesn't happen again. That's pretty much my take on it.
So he must really believe in Moyes and his vision for the future, right?
Well, he also kept Anderson for 5 years.
Your posts suggest that you think Fergie is God and that he cant make any mistakes. I dont know if he still believes in Moyes but he definitely does still believe in his big bad ego.So he must really believe in Moyes and his vision for the future, right?
I'm not talking in hindsight when I say that last seasons team didn't perform that well. I said so at the time. A year on and it's got worse which really doesn't surprise me when we've been missing the core of players that dragged us through last season.
RVP, Rooney and Carrick have missed chunks of the season. They were integral last season. Every game one of our defenders seems to get injured or suspended. Players have made individual errors that have cost us. Players have blatantly underperformed despite playing the same role they have for years.
Fergie was actually pretty ruthless when it came to the good of United.
We're currently 1 loss from equaling the most losses we have ever suffered in the Premier League. With a game away to a "Big 4" team, I think we can equal that record before March! The records keep falling.
We may not have performed like the best team in Europe but we still won the league comfortably.
Okay with an aging squad or as you as with an underperforming squad, isnt it the manager's job to a)bring in younger, better players in the summer and b) be responsible for motivating players. Why didnt we buy this summer? Why did we end up with a panic buy and pay almost double of what he was worth?
He should. In that case he gets outsmarted by a struggling team at the very bottom of the table, being lead by our old first team coach.If we loose vs Fulham I could see him get the sack...
Not sure he has that ruthless streak anymore like he did in 90s. Some of the player we have at our club would have been axed in 90s. I'm sure Fergie would have axed Ferdinand and Evra in their 30s back then.
Your posts suggest that you think Fergie is God and that he cant make any mistakes. I dont know if he still believes in Moyes but he definitely does still believe in his big bad ego.
Not sure he has that ruthless streak anymore like he did in 90s. Some of the player we have at our club would have been axed in 90s. I'm sure Fergie would have axed Ferdinand and Evra in their 30s back then.
Remember William Prunier? He barely got two games and Fergie was flogging him back out the door again
Taibi? Decent keeper, had a two game bad spell, Fergie fcuks him out the door!...
Not like that no more
We won the league comfortably but many were of the opinion that we played shite and got lucky with City and Chelsea underperforming. They're not this season and unfortunately Arsenal and Liverpools rebuilding over the last few years has brought them to the table too.
With regards to the summer, our activity has been explained in detail by those involved. They fcuked up. It seems they've learnt their lesson and are now delivering a high calibre of player, if the signing of Mata is anything to go by. At the end of the day even Fergie didn't sort our midfield out these last few years. He lost Paul Pogba whilst having to bring Scholes out of retirement. Hopefully Moyes sorts it out.
Yeah, he should have shown De Gea the door after his start. Well done.
