Moyes So Far!
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We had a better squad than Chelsea as at the time Fergie left. We finished about 20 points above Chelsea. So yes - Moyes inherited a strong squad......Mourinho would have made the needed adjustment last summer & more adjustments this january.
We are weaker in the central midfield today than when the season started. If Carrick & God forbid, Fletcher should get injured, we are finished! When Anderson was going on loan, i thought Moyes was bringing a central midfielder. It turned out he was just clueless. We need bodies in there FFS!
I understand the doubters and i am privately concerned myself but I don't do negative.I believe this will work for us.I think the club will respond and help him out and bring in the players to fill the voids.Title winning squad yes but we have been questioning the midfield for years and it will be dealt with.It's a matter of concern and it is now a priority.It will work out fine.
No it won't, Moyes simply doesn't have the personality, tactical knowledge, charisma, ability to be successful at United.
The longer he stays the bigger the hole we find ourselves in and the longer it'd take to come back.
Things are not positive, but they're not as bleak as many make out.I fully understand why so many are struggling with our current situation.I am glad the support at games is positive because the last thing we need is to have the matchgoers turn on him.I will remain positive even if it makes me unpopular on here, but this is the place for people to vent their anger and I respect the opinions of others.
If you don't do negative why are you supporting mr negative.
Phew
The faster Moyes resigns the better for all.
The problem is, the issue isn't just the quality of players. He could bring in two or three quality players, but if he fails to improve his tactical ability, or ability to motivate players with big ego's, then it wont change things.
It shouldn't make you unpopular. I think that things won't ever go good under Moyes and as soon as we get rid of him, the recuperation would go smoother, but I understand completely your position.
Personally I don't think that even if matchgoers turn on him it wouldn't be the end of the world (if that results with us hiring someone better). I am really very unromantic when it comes to it (well, I would have love Ole here sometimes but that's something else).
Because he needs time and seven months is premature to be calling for his head.It seems many had already made up their minds before he had even begun his work.Let him rid the club of the deadwood, something that can't be done overnight and make his own impression on the squad.
Where's your cognitive reasoning - Can you not see where we are headed? Is it until the virus spreads before we are allowed to moan?
I am sure you will like to have a taste of a dog's faeces before you can be 100% certain it's a dog's poop. There's no way Moyes can turn out to be success - he's clearly out of his depth with his small time mentality.
He was handed practically the same squad that walked the league last season & yet we have been twatted by Everton, Spurs, West Brom and Stoke of all teams. Can you not see Moyes against Jose or Wenger is akin to comparing a UFC fighter to a girl that plays tekken?
See the difference.....
Sadly, I think this is pretty much spot on. It feels almost like we're now just waiting for the inevitable sacking.
I also think when it happens, we'll hear things come out about just how bad things are within the club, in regards to morale, and just how unpopular Moyes is.
Where's your cognitive reasoning - Can you not see where we are headed? Is it until the virus spreads before we are allowed to moan?
I am sure you will like to have a taste of a dog's faeces before you can be 100% certain it's a dog's poop. There's no way Moyes can turn out to be success - he's clearly out of his depth with his small time mentality.
He was handed practically the same squad that walked the league last season & yet we have been twatted by Everton, Spurs, West Brom and Stoke of all teams. Can you not see Moyes against Jose or Wenger is akin to comparing a UFC fighter to a girl that plays tekken?
See the difference.....
Excellent graphic. Really brings it home. Good work.
Fergie's ego on the line.
I think a lot of us don't trust him to do that. He's using Young and Valencia whenever they are fit and alienating Hernandez, Kagawa, Nani, Zaha and has already sold Fabio. I'm not saying any of them should be starting, but they are great squad options and better to use there then Young or Valencia.
We do need to clear out some of the deadwood, unfortunately Moyes will probably be getting rid of Hernandez, Nani, Kagawa, Evra, Rio, Vidic and maybe more. 3 players who have given so much to the club over the past 8 years, and their contracts are all expiring at the same time.
Then when it comes to the positions we need to clear out the deadwood, the midfield, it seems like we'll keep the one dimensional players who get picked on the wing because they are decent at defending (not even that great really) and we'll sell the talented players like Kagawa and Nani. A big change will inevitably happen this summer, but I fear Moyes will get rid of the wrong players and keep all the players that everyone wants out pretty much.
On the other side, 7 months should have been enough to see at-least his vision for the future and to see some moderate improvement. We haven't.
Also considering on the players whom he play, it looks that the so-called deadwood are players like Kagawa and Chicharito while it seems that he highly rates players like Valencia and Young. Something that clearly doesn't make sense.
I agree with you that a lot of people make up their mind when he got appointet (I never rated him at all and would have preferred many other managers before him, by many I mean really a lot, not only 3 or 4 obvious ones) but he had enough time to at-least make me think that I might be wrong and premature in judgement. So far, he has done even worse than the lowest (already very low) expectations and the style of football has been awful. He should start giving something (be it semi decent results or semi decent performances) cause now I am seeing even people who until a month or so were arguing in his favour changing completely their positions. And soon - the important ones - the matchgoers will gradually change their own opinions. I doubt that the support will go forever if this nightmare continues. I don't see how he can make a U-turn but there are people who can, so for his sake, he should do something to keep them in his favour.
He has been so far what someone would expect from the likes of Pulis and Allardyce. At-least FatSam is entertaining on his press conferences (we outsmarted, outwitted Mourinho etc).
This illustrates how far he's dragged us.
Unfortunately it looks like it'd be a long wait.
Glaston must be fuming. Spurs have dipped under that precious 72 point curve...
Oh wait they haven't.. I'm a retard. Still, won't be long....
IF they're ruthless successful businessman, they will know Sir Alex is no longer their most important employee.
We're 12 points better off? That's fantastic.
They'll learn it in the hard way soon enough.
A loss to Fulham may actually be a win in the long run. Yet another defeat at Old Trafford and to such a poor team means that the decision must surely be made. Moyes will go if we lose to Fulham, and it may be 3 points lost on the day, but potentially the remainder of the season saved.
Even Moyes' supporters, who will certainly say I am wrong, must surely agree that losing to Fulham will not be a huge surprise on this season's form. Moyes is breaking records this season, and I think it's a real possibility we lose again.
Even Moyes' supporters, who will certainly say I am wrong, must surely agree that losing to Fulham will not be a huge surprise on this season's form. Moyes is breaking records this season, and I think it's a real possibility we lose again.
I'm not so sure that our style of football is that different from the last three seasons under SAF.The difference is that SAF got more out of the players and last season SAF had a fully fit and firing RVP.I think her has been unlucky with injuries and SAF had a nightmare in recent seasons but it was only a matter of time before this squad hit the wall and now it has.I want moyes to succeed and I think he will and time will tell.He can't get the team playing as well until the engine room is sorted out and that will happen in the summer.Bed now i'm pissed, which may explain the extreme positivity! Night folks!
I don't think he would be sacked if we lost to Fulham. It's apparent to me that he has a free pass this season.
Bad news for those who want him gone. The Glazers are giving their managers/coaches a lot of time. This year the Tampa Bay Buccs have been atrocious for the first 8 games in a 16 games season and lost every game. After a 7-9 season last season they were expected to be a play off contender and he started 0-8. Their coach ended with a 4-12 record and was fired only after the season. Maybe it's different with United as they are on the stock exchange and everything, but as the owners of a football franchise they've been very patient with their latest coaches.
Yup, you keep improving each year. Will be interesting to see whether Rodgers can turn you into a title challenging side next year or if this is his peak. You'll only finish around 8 or so points behind the Champions so I don't think it's an impossible gap at all.
It's an interesting point, but I do think the expectancy is higher at United than at Tampa Bay, I say this with knowing little about American Football.
This Moyes situation is a bit unique to be honest. We've no way of telling what way it's gonna go.
He is clueless, and I feel sure it will not be long until every single United fan realises it. Good article here... http://strettynews.com/a-new-unacceptable-low/
In Andy Mitten's recent piece on ESPN he quotes Woodward on the process used to select Moyes. Take note of the people involved in the decision making process (below). Can you really see Sir Alex changing his mind so soon ? I suspect the share price may eventually bring down Moyes but it will take time. I still think Moyes will get 3 seasons to make a case for himself; after that Sir Alex's voice may not be so persuasive. The board have already written off this season (according to various briefings to journalists) and are prepared to spend big in the summer rather than do the more sensible thing of changing the manager.
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In hindsight it was madness to not hold a interview process.
I'd compare it to the Klinsmann situation as it is the closest you'll ever get. A legendary manager being replaced with a unkown at a top club and they fail miserably. In the end even Klinsmann, a former player and highly regarded coach after his Germany stint, only got until April and then was fired after their CL spot was in danger. It was the best decision Bayern made in a long time as Klinsmann wasn't anywhere near good enough for a top club and highly regarded players as Lahm still have nightmares about his tenure. "After 6 weeks, we knew that it wasn't going to happen with Klinsmann and the rest of the season was simply damage control" he said in his biography.
It feels exactly what we are going through with Moyes.
Fans are already getting pissed. He will surely get to the end of this season. We wont make the top four. Lets say he brings a few players. If we make the top four, then I guess there is a chance he might get a 3rd season. But if manages to stay outside the top 4 next season as well, there is no way in hell the fans are going to be okay with him getting a 3rd season.
Yeah, that sounds as close to Moyes as I've heard to be honest.
That book declares Tom Cleverley as good as Thiago or any other Barcelona academy graduate. No wonder Moyes is doing so poorly.
It's not all that different, but before there were periods of like 20 minutes during games where we would be all over the opposition and we'd usually run out winners from that. Then whenever we went behind, you always knew under Sir Alex the belief would be there and the desire to come back and get a result, and we would most of the time. We also still controlled the possession of games and averaged a bit over 60% possession I think last season, which made for our games in the second half of last season to be incredibly dull because of how slow we passed it around. Compare that to this season, and we show no desire, our play has become almost entirely reliant on crosses into the box, we don't show the fight at the end of matches to come back and win games, and we are getting out played on our own pitch, or anywhere else by teams like Sunderland, Newcastle, Stoke, Southampton, etc.
Obviously the midfield is a huge problem, but I just don't have faith in Moyes to fix it when he can't do anything better then 7th place with the current squad.
Hitting the squad and having a poor season would be scraping 4th place IMO. What we've been doing this season is downright embarrassing. I think it might be one of the worst title defences since the league became the premier league (wasn't around before so can't comment on that). From 1st with 89 points, 59 points at this stage, to 7th place and 40 points in 24 games, winning just half of our games in the league and 7 points off 4th.
Are you just an idiot or a complete fecking moron?
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