But Mourinho's able to get results. The man's football may not always be beautiful, but it's generally with a purpose and some sort of plan. Moyes' football is just aimlessly negative. It's not to say that Mourinho's the perfect manager or that it'd have worked out in the long term here, but a game like tonight shows he was an infinitely better option than Moyes. If the reports are true of Mourinho wanting the job, we made a massive mistake.
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But Mourinho's able to get results. The man's football may not always be beautiful, but it's generally with a purpose and some sort of plan. Moyes' football is just aimlessly negative. It's not to say that Mourinho's the perfect manager or that it'd have worked out in the long term here, but a game like tonight shows he was an infinitely better option than Moyes. If the reports are true of Mourinho wanting the job, we made a massive mistake.
We played football this bad the past two seasons. There's a thread called "Zombie football" that's three years old for a reason. We just had RVP saving our as last season. Is it a bit worse? Yep. Is Moyes not up to it? Yep Is the midfield completely inadequate? Yep. The problems are many not one.
Chelsea is organized, tactically perfect and effective in the offense managed by Mourinho. Compared to another new manager he seems to know what he's doing. Well well....
Are squad is better than this. Moyes is rubbish.
We never played football that bad under Fergie since the Premiership.
Did you not read my comment?
I guess that zombie football thread doesn't exist. Playing shit football and winning is still playing shit football.
Helpes somewhat by Fernandinhos injury
Tbf, this is complete bollocks, along with "he can only manage with loadsa money" and "he never plays youngsters"...It's only ever brought out as the last ditch cliche punt of a failed argument.
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Manage Portugal, which he has always wanted to do. I think he said he wanted to do so before turning 60 too, which leaves less than 10 years.
I wouldn't mind him. He's a winner above all, and we need a bit of that now.
This is without doubt the worst performing United side of the past ten or so years. Even our 'zombie football' wasn't this devoid of imagination.
You are reaching.....
Moyes has had 2 transfer windows & he's done practically nothing with it. Okay, he brought Mata in but he wasn't what we crucially needed. Mata/Kagawa are basically the same.
Mourinho brought in steel - Matic! He didn't cost a fortune and neither is he a marquee player. Why can't Moyes do the same? Then he loaned Anderson out without a replacement - where's the common sense in that?
I can write everything Moyes knows about football management on a grain of rice.
Big difference between one of the greatest midfielders of all time and Cleverly, huh?
We've never been as consistently underwhelming.
This theory that our squad is rubbish is another point that irks, even if we're not as good as Chelsea/City, we're not 7th quality are we, we're not worse than Stoke, West Brom, Sunderland, Swansea etc.
A good coach comes in and gets the most out of what hes got, Moyes is making us look like no hopers.
A good coach comes in and gets the most out of what hes got, Moyes is making us look like no hopers.
And back to my original point. We've never had a worse midfield. Look, I'm not defending Moyes. He needs to go. But to pretend like we're not a fecking disaster in midfield is insane.
No, the strangest thing in all this is that Moyes has persisted with the same shite every week, hoping for results. He's been found out here.
Does anyone still think 3-4 years of success isn't better than 6 years of mediocrity?
You keep going back to a point I'm not arguing against and ignoring the one I am making. Why is that?
We've never had a worse midfield? Fair point, we've never had a better array of attacking midfielders though. What does that point mean?
Indeed not - that's why we're miles above any of them in the league table. Or are we going back to the any team that beats another team is better than them argument?
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The man has turned us into a laughing stock.
Holy!
[/quote]What's that Fergie one on the right? The bitter feckers are obsessed... two banners about our managers and one about one of their players!
Yeah never read you first post. I'm not even saying he needs to go. He's been a bit shit but feck knows what's best for us atm.
I'm unaware of any such arguement prior, but that wasn't quite my point anyway, we look consistently poor, create very little, we're not 7th by chance, looking at our football over the course of the season, we look as a 7th place side, we're not a 7th place quality squad.
I did not think he needed to go until the last game but when he starts Young on the left and Mata out on the right, using the same tactics he can go feck himself. Young shouldn't be anywhere near the pitch with the players he has at hand.
He's got major problems with the midfield and he's had some horrendous injury problems but he seems to have no idea what to do.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I said I'd have him. I also have a post somewhere in the Moyes So Far thread where I write why I'm completely against the idea of stability over success.
Id say if we had Carrick fit and on form this season we'd be above Liverpool in 4th right now.
The rest of the gap to the top is mostly Moyes. He's got a lot of learning to do.
The rest of the gap to the top is mostly Moyes. He's got a lot of learning to do.
Actually I think that he said he would lie to manage Portugal after he becomes 60.
It would have been 'only' a decade of longevity and success.
Sounds about right. Just couldn't understand why you'd need to point out that we're better than Swansea, Stoke, Sunderland, that's obvious to everybody and doesn't have much relevance.
Our midfield was as bad as this season last season yet we won the league. No one's pretending our midfield isn't disastrous. It's just that with Moyes' awful football it's even worse.
Scholes passing hid a how disasterous it really is, so I'm going to go ahead and disagree.
Scholes wasn't really that prominent last season though and while his passing was excellent, his overall game was clearly past it's best. It's arguably gotten slightly worse, but it's generally on the same level to last season.
From a financial perspective, it is idiocy to tie down managers on contracts like that these days. Especially when for a club like ourselves, top four is vitally important and if we lose out on top four this season, which is extremely likely, it puts us in an even more precarious position when we miss out on Champions League revenue and have to pay out a manager with five years left on his contract.
Certainly something that could hinder potential signings in the Summer, that and the fact we won't have the allure of Champions League football to entice players with.
We won't.....
Our problem is more than having Carrick in the midfield. Our wingers have been reduced to a pub standard.
Moyes doesn't even know his strongest team. If we had Mourinho with the same injury list, we would be on top of the league.
Aye I was going to say, there's some revisionism at some point. Scholes was just as much of a liability as Giggs has been this season.
Young had scored 1 and made 1 in the previous game, thats why he started
Top of the league? With Cleverly, Jones and Bad Carrick? Okay then..
At least he was passing the ball forward, unlike our midfield this season.
Probably true...
I'm pissed off with the whole club after last summer.I am delighted with the activity in January, that being Mata! I am glad also that we didn't buy someone for the sake of it and hopefully our patience will pay off if we have indeed been told to wait for certain players.If those two CM are brought in in the summer plus a LB and some general tidying up of the squad, we'll soon see what Moyes is all about.I would be perfectly happy to see him have a full summer to do his business and see what comes of it.I think we'll spend and spend well and the team will naturally move away from a 442 without probably Young and Nani at the club.I feel confident we'll all feel a lot better in 12 months time.
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