How may goals did RVP score and how many games did he sit out last year?
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How may goals did RVP score and how many games did he sit out last year?
Im no expert but something hasn't been right with Carrick all season and it wouldn't surprise me if he was unhappy. Rvp is a definite to be in a sulk. If these players approach the board then glazers have a decision to make.
So here's the situation: we are 7th, 7 points behind Liverpool in 4th (makes me sick thinking about that), and our next 4 games are:
2 of those games should be wins, 1 should be quite tricky and the other should be very tricky. Moyes' consistent rotation clearly hasn't paid much dividends, so should he stick with a consistent lineup this month? Maybe rotate only one or two players a time rather than changing half the side? If he decides to wake up and realise how far behind we are, he really should play a front four out of these five: RvP, Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj. Stick to this, whilst using what he can of his CM options and stick with a final choice. Our attack doesn't seem moulded at all, in fact they seem very out of tune with each other, and to maintain this they need a lot of time together. As for the defense, we are so messed up there with injuries and suspension I don't know what to suggest. My point being made is we need a team identity; we don't seem to pose as an attacking threat, or a possession side, or a stonewall defense. If he wants to make our team a defensive unit that concedes and scores little, then shore up our defense and work on our set piece defending, because right now it's the worst I have seen in a decade. If he wants us to be truly ruthless like City can be, then work on our movement up front, and think of different attacking routes than just out wide every time, predictability can be a huge downfall. All of this can only be maintained if he uses one constant XI!
2 of those games should be wins, 1 should be quite tricky and the other should be very tricky. Moyes' consistent rotation clearly hasn't paid much dividends, so should he stick with a consistent lineup this month? Maybe rotate only one or two players a time rather than changing half the side? If he decides to wake up and realise how far behind we are, he really should play a front four out of these five: RvP, Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj. Stick to this, whilst using what he can of his CM options and stick with a final choice. Our attack doesn't seem moulded at all, in fact they seem very out of tune with each other, and to maintain this they need a lot of time together. As for the defense, we are so messed up there with injuries and suspension I don't know what to suggest. My point being made is we need a team identity; we don't seem to pose as an attacking threat, or a possession side, or a stonewall defense. If he wants to make our team a defensive unit that concedes and scores little, then shore up our defense and work on our set piece defending, because right now it's the worst I have seen in a decade. If he wants us to be truly ruthless like City can be, then work on our movement up front, and think of different attacking routes than just out wide every time, predictability can be a huge downfall. All of this can only be maintained if he uses one constant XI!
And other teams are not reliant on their forwards, midfielders or defenders?
Do you think we had more injuries to key and squad players than Arsenal and Pool for example?
carrick and rvp are our key players in midfield and attack. Arsenal are lucky to not have lost Girout for an extended period otherwise theyd be sunk
How many games Rooney sit out last year?
Scholes rescued us early on and then Carrick came in to some very good form. I maintain no team has finished top 4 without a midfielder on form.
Yes, especially so in midfield with Carrick being so important to our passing.
And Vermaelen, Walcott, Wilshere, Ramsey, Ozil, Arteta are not ?
wouldn't it make sense then that if things don't get better soon for Man Utd that there'd be even more pressure to react?
Unfortunately games that should be wins aren't wins under Moyes.
Rooney started 22 league games last year. So a lot.
He didn't start in 16 of 38
Had no idea it was that much.So I guess we should have finished 5th at most...
He did go on a 10 game goal drought at one point last season in fairness, most of the matches we won. You expect a top manager to cover for a player who is out for a lengthy period.
To be fair this isn't even an argument. You can make these kind of arguments to try to make a point, but you won't convince anyone.
For example, how many teams have win the league without a striker in form. Chelsea looks very possible to win it this year depite their strikers being useless (and please don't say that they have good attacking midfielders, cause then I'll say that we have good strikers) and are overplaying and winning against City on Etihad.
Many. But he's not been on the form of RVP was last season in any way shape or form, so it's pointless. RVP was making goals out of nothing.
Hes the only midfielder we have who can reliably get the ball to our forwards from the back.
Including around 10 games in a row without scoring?
from january in 2005-06 we had to play Giggs and O'Shea in central midfield because of injuries for Scholes and also Smith from that time. We were 3rd back then and finished 2nd with that midfield.
Mourinho, having already been to Real Madrid and will never go to Barcelona, what's left for him to do if we hired him?
Exactly why I put should in italics. Teams aren't scared, because we aren't very threatening. Establish some danger and teams won't thrive in the games.
If you honestly believe Mourinho would've had us lying seventh this season then there's no hope for you, sorry.
Sure. Are you telling me the leading scorer in the league doesn't change the game by just being on the pitch? Is that the argument? Look, I'm not absolving Moyes here. I now want him gone. But to pretend our injuries haven't played a large part in this is nothing short of will full blindness.
How many came at the end of the season when he fell out with Fergie and the league was all but won?
You could argue we did it in the Ronaldo days as he's not a striker.
Why is it not a valid argument? As it doesn't put all the blame on Moyes. I'm not even defending him with that statement, I wanted Mourinho and whoever came in needed to correct our astounding reliance on an in form Carrick.
Goals can come from anywhere, central midfielders are the fecking spine of the team and affect every element. You can get top 4 on a decent defence but you can't even do that with a shit midfield
But we got champions last year with a shit midfield and we spend 27.5m on an another midfield and we had two window to address midfield issues.
It isn't even an excuse anymore.
Our shit midfield won the league last season and technical finished 1st the season before that. So your argument is RUBBISH.
Rooney was off for large part of last season. In case you haven't noticed he was our best player in the first months when he was scoring out of nothing. Yes RvP, Rooney and Carrick missed some games, but let's not pretend that's the first time it happened to us. Over the years almost every year we had an injury crisis especially in defence, where Carrick figured for not one game.
We have no less injuries than the teams ahead of us. Let's not pretend only we have injuries this year...
I have always maintained - and always will - that our treble winning season was down to an immense midfield, who provided for four brilliant strikers.
Non of them are really, Arsenal didn't come into this season needing Ramsey to score a dozen goals, or Artetas presence in midfield, or Walcott at any time. We need Carrick s passing because no one else can, we can compensate some what for Van persie but not when the former is missing also
Two.
He featured in all games in April and the first in May against Chelsea.
Fixed
You havnt watched us play in the last 7 years then
So we're a 3 man team?
So other teams don't need their key players?
Missing your best defender and captain, best midfielders and attackers makes no difference? That's in every line, not just midfield and attack..
It's an excuse for the results, not for the shite transfer windows. Amount of people making assumptions about training methods and other bullshit when this really is all down to having no midfield, it's as simple as that. I don't see how Mourinho would have got more out of Cleverley, Giggs, Carrick
Again last year we had Scholes and Carrick this year we've had two good games from Fletcher and one or two from Jones.
Which is why Arsenal are always competing for the league and we took their best player.
One would say Mourinho would have bought Matic for less than his old pal Fellaini...
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