Moyes So Far!

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DomesticTadpole said:
Reading the Andy Mitton article further down this thread, some players are not giving their all. That is disgraceful, they are letting the fans down, who always turn out to support the team and are indirectly letting SAF down as well, saying he doesn't know what he is doing. Well he bought them so maybe he doesn't.
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They are right in Moyes case. If there is really any truth in the rumour that SAF asked the players about their next manager, and no-onw mentioned Moyes, well then...

I don't think that there is time for sentimentality regarding SAF. He is our biggest legend - but like it our not - he now is the past. There is no point sticking with Moyes just because SAF chose him.
 
Revan said:
They are right in Moyes case. If there is really any truth in the rumour that SAF asked the players about their next manager, and no-onw mentioned Moyes, well then...

I don't think that there is time for sentimentality regarding SAF. He is our biggest legend - but like it our not - he now is the past. There is no point sticking with Moyes just because SAF chose him.
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Still i ll prefer to stick with SAF 's opinion rather than yours,with all due respect.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I like the way it always comes back to the manager, not the pampered, overpaid, know everything footballers.
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I didn't say that - I said the principle that no one's bigger than the club applies to the managers. Managers come and go, just as players do, the club goes on. Managers are there to lead, when a manager's got a team of winners to lead - that should be an advantage not a problem.
 
dev1l said:
Still i ll prefer to stick with SAF 's opinion rather than yours,with all due respect.
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I'd be interested in how SAF sold the idea of Moyes to the Glazers. I'd have thought the G's would have simply asked "what has he won"?
 
dev1l said:
Still i ll prefer to stick with SAF 's opinion rather than yours,with all due respect.
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I am sure that Sir Matt was consulted in choosing the managers between 69 and 86
 
dev1l said:
i don't know about that but fergie said that he sought sir matt s advice from time to time.
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my point is pretty simple. Just because a person was a great manager that doesn't make him a great scout for managers. Also stress works funnily. Quoting Elisabeth the golden age, "when the storm breaks, some are dumb with terror and some spread their wings like eagles and soar". No human being can predict someone elses reaction in such circumstances.
 
devilish said:
my point is pretty simple. Just because a person was a great manager that doesn't make him a great scout for managers. Also stress works funnily. Quoting Elisabeth the golden age, "when the storm breaks, some are dumb with terror and some spread their wings like eagles and soar". No human being can predict someone elses reactions.
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i will still trust him more than the average fan.
 
dev1l said:
i will still trust him more than the average fan.
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I tend to trust results and quality of play more than anything else. Blind faith was never my forte. In fact back in my youth days I was lousy in lemmings.

There again, maybe SAF has built a lousy side who lack heart and quality. No wonder why Moyes is struggling. ;)
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I like the way it always comes back to the manager, not the pampered, overpaid, know everything footballers.
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Moyes is more overpaid than them in likelihood.

Yes it all comes down to the manager, whether it's ferguson or Wenger or mourinho or Moyes. It's the same in any organisation.
 
devilish said:
my point is pretty simple. Just because a person was a great manager that doesn't make him a great scout for managers. Also stress works funnily. Quoting Elisabeth the golden age, "when the storm breaks, some are dumb with terror and some spread their wings like eagles and soar". No human being can predict someone elses reaction in such circumstances.
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This, the best manager ever has turned out to be a terrible director so far. :(
 
Cal? said:
This, the best manager ever has turned out to be a terrible director so far. :(
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no one can say that. Power and stress can be unpredictable over a person. Moyes has never lead a club where success is as natural as breathing air. The step from Everton to United may be too much for him.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Moyes is more overpaid than them in likelihood.

Yes it all comes down to the manager, whether it's ferguson or Wenger or mourinho or Moyes. It's the same in any organisation.
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Moyes is the 7th highest paid manager in the world and yet he is apparently having to learn on the job. :confused: Ridiculous
 
devilish said:
I tend to trust results and quality of play more than anything else. Blind faith was never my forte. In fact back in my youth days I was lousy in lemmings.
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it s not a question of blind faith - the club went through lots of changes and it ll take time.
 
dev1l said:
it s not a question of blind faith - the club went through lots of changes and it ll take time.
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Same as Everton did. It must be hard for them to adapt to a new style after losing their iconic manager, much of their entire coaching staff and their 'best' CM right? ;)

There again maybe Moyes wasn't so good since he could be easily replaced or else, SAF built a team of weaklings who would turn shit day 1 after he left. Your choice.
 
devilish said:
no one can say that. Power and stress can be unpredictable over a person. Moyes has never lead a club where success is as natural as breathing air. The step from Everton to United may be too much for him.
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Well, let's see, what has Sir Alex done as a director so far, recommend a terribly underqualified person to take over from himself and played a big part in the club offering him a ridiculous SIX year contract.

Were we worried Real Madrid might come steal him if he was successful?
 
LonelyFire said:
One point im frankly astounded by is how quickly some fans have turned on some great servants to our club - Río, Vidic, Evra etc have all delivered great years to this club while producing something at the end of it i.e. Trophies.

The fact that many are hanging these guys out to dry in some effort to support Moyes is just sad.
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I can't work out whether Moyes is just exempt from criticism by some because he's the manager and Fergie picked him, or because they genuinely believe he's better than the likes of Simeone, Klopp etc. - people were actually playing those names down in another thread. Maybe they just literally have no clue whatsoever about football outside of United. It's madness. I mean, even if those managers took over and finished outside the top 4 atleast they'd have us playing good football and not boring us to death whilst playing to the opposition's strengths.
 
If that article is true, I can't believe some people are siding with the players. Every last one of them should be relegated to a smaller role or sold. To think people lambast the likes of Terry, Lampard and Cole for having more power at Chelsea than their countless previous managers.
 
devilish said:
Same as Everton did. It must be hard for them to adapt to a new style after losing their iconic manager, much of their entire coaching staff and their 'best' CM right? ;)

There again maybe Moyes wasn't so good since he could be easily replaced or else, SAF built a team of weaklings who would turn shit day 1 after he left. Your choice.
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Maybe Sir Alex did have a deal with the devil and all our players are mid-table quality and the only reason we won most the time in the past decades is sheer luck and refereeing error. Oh no... the Scousers were right all along. :(
 
dev1l said:
it s not a question of blind faith - the club went through lots of changes and it ll take time.
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You're right that the club has went through changes, and we didn't expect a new manager to settle in immediately. When we thought struggling to settle in though, we imagined 3rd or 4th at worst. The fact that finishing in the top 5/6 is now only a possibility as opposed to a certainty shows how terrible it's been.

The problem with the "it'll take time" thing is that it's too vague. Does "it'll take time" apply if we appoint a 14 year old girl from the South Sandwich Islands that has never watched a game of football in her life? Does "it'll take time" apply if you're sitting bottom after 15 games with 0 points and 84 goals conceded? Of course we're nowhere near as bad as that, but the point stands. "It'll take time" only apply's to a certain point. It can be used as an excuse for an average season, or one slightly below standards. It can't be used for a completely awful season. Everything about Moyes has suggested so far that he's just not going to be good enough, no matter how much time we give him.
 
adexkola said:
If that article is true, I can't believe some people are siding with the players. Every last one of them should be relegated to a smaller role or sold. To think people lambast the likes of Terry, Lampard and Cole for having more power at Chelsea than their countless previous managers.
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Or alternatively get rid of the mediocre manager and keep the players who are champions. Problem fixed.
 
LonelyFire said:
One point im frankly astounded by is how quickly some fans have turned on some great servants to our club - Río, Vidic, Evra etc have all delivered great years to this club while producing something at the end of it i.e. Trophies.

The fact that many are hanging these guys out to dry in some effort to support Moyes is just sad.
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They have been great servants, contributed to one of the most fruitful periods in United's history. However if they can't put in the required effort and get behind the manager, I'd have no problems with Moyes moving them on with the quickness.
 
A couple of weeks ago, there was quite some support for Moyes on here and pretty much everywhere. Certainly the majority were behind him, me included. Since the debacle on Saturday there seems to have been a massive shift to getting him out. Social networks have gone mad, and I mean OTT mad about him. I don't think there are many on here behind him anymore (they certainly aren't been too vocal about,if they are).
So I ask, at what point does all this go wobble? I suppose as long as we sing his song and display the chosen one banner, then no one will take note.
It's so frustrating but when Arsenal put 4 or 5 past us, will the board take note.
 
adexkola said:
If that article is true, I can't believe some people are siding with the players. Every last one of them should be relegated to a smaller role or sold. To think people lambast the likes of Terry, Lampard and Cole for having more power at Chelsea than their countless previous managers.
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Yet Terry & co have managed to keep Chelsea ticking along with trophy after trophy, do you honestly think we should just sell half the squad and let Moyes sign 10 players in the summer?
 
dev1l said:
no i m just making a choice between two opinions
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Good then. Though probably it is better if people make their own judgements rather than base judgements in other people opinions.
 
adexkola said:
If that article is true, I can't believe some people are siding with the players. Every last one of them should be relegated to a smaller role or sold. To think people lambast the likes of Terry, Lampard and Cole for having more power at Chelsea than their countless previous managers.
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Players can be cnuts but by the looks of it we're heading to a full blown revolt. That doesn't necessary mean its Moyes fault. In rare occasions (ex when SAF turned against a team made of drunks back in the late 80s) its the player faults. However I doubt that the team who won the EPL title just few months ago and had been handpicked by the greatest manager in our history are like that.

Cycles do end. However having long term servants who had bled for the club, acting like that few months after winning the EPL title is suspicious.
 
Revan said:
Or alternatively get rid of the mediocre manager and keep the players who are champions. Problem fixed.
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If the players are doing this, they don't give a jot for the club or the fans, so don't think they are doing it on your behalf. If he gets sacked the same players will be coming out and saying how sad they are he's gone, blah blah blah. Footballers are all self serving hypocrites. They quite happily take the plaudits when they play well, so should take criticism when they don't.
 
soapythecat said:
A couple of weeks ago, there was quite some support for Moyes on here and pretty much everywhere. Certainly the majority were behind him, me included. Since the debacle on Saturday there seems to have been a massive shift to getting him out. Social networks have gone mad, and I mean OTT mad about him. I don't think there are many on here behind him anymore (they certainly aren't been too vocal about,if they are).
So I ask, at what point does all this go wobble? I suppose as long as we sing his song and display the chosen one banner, then no one will take note.
It's so frustrating but when Arsenal put 4 or 5 past us, will the board take note.
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When Fulham win for the first time in whatever number of years at OT, maybe the Glazers will take note.

I'm honestly quite glad now that we lost to Sunderland, saves us from getting trashed by City at Wembley.
 
Cal? said:
Yet Terry & co have managed to keep Chelsea ticking along with trophy after trophy, do you honestly think we should just sell half the squad and let Moyes sign 10 players in the summer?
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No. I think we should let go of Rio, Evra, Valencia, Young. Maybe Cleverley, but only to make room for Powell.
 
adexkola said:
Yeah, once he has conclusively proven he isn't up to the task, which by my calendar (and that of the bosses upstairs) hasn't happened yet.

Nice thinking though.
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I am happy for you that you are enjoying this season then.
 
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