to be fair...didn't Ferguson play Valencia practically every week.....
Moyes So Far!
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Sir Alex can and will probably drag us to 4th place by sheer will power, persevering with Moyes is going to lead to 20yrs in wilderness.
At the moment, I would take anything (bar a relegation) to see Moyes out.
Being classy makes sense when you win. When you lose, be classy as much as you want (well if being classy makes sense at all), you'll get remembered as a loser.
If players do a mutiny and we then get a much better manager who'll improve us, then so be it. Moyes is a nice guy, but I don't care at all what happens with him. The club is much more important than the career of the ex-manager of Everton.
I only care about Manchester united's interest.
And if Moyes is not good enough then he should go.
But not in that manner. Something like that could set a terrible precedent. One great quality about sir Alex was that he was always in charge and made sure as hell of it. If Moyes is not good enough, the owners should sack him.
He won´t get the sack. I wouldnt mind Valencia, Buttner, Smalling, Hernandez, Ferdinand, Fellaini, getting the sack though cause they´ve been fecking shit when playing. Also Carrick and some oter players has been below their standards. He should build a new team starting with Mata, all our best players over the successful years are now fecking past it. It´s just like 89, we need to rebuild and Moyes will do that
Moyes was chosen specifically for the long game though. I think we expected a drop off, perhaps not to this extent, but a drop off nonethe less. To sack him after half a season, one season or whatever and replace him with someone likely to be gone in three years begs the question, why not do this to start with?
I suspect we are all going to have to get used to Moyes being here until this time next year at least...
Fellaini? He hasn't played that much for you all this season to really make a fair assessment of his impact in the squad.
A problem I envision is the football could remain the same if he went out and splashed another £70 million. We could bring in Gündoğan and Vidal and he'd still persist with his game plan.
It's a possibility, to me that would be the fault of the board. It's clear to see that it's not working, if we can see it, the players can see it then I'm sure they can, if they do nothing about it then they are the ones to blame.
If he has lost the dressing room then the board have to act, either back him by selling the trouble makers or sack him. I would seriously respect our players a lot less if they didn't give there all on the pitch to get the manager sacked. The players should have no say in who manages them IMO.
I agree...there is no way that United..with Fergie and Charlton up above going to sack Moyes this season or in the summer. I think if we find ourselves in this position this time next year...the knives will start to be sharpened...mainly by the fellas who own the club!!
The glazers sacked the tampa bay bucs coach in December this is the only quote I can get at the moment
Bryan Glazer said: “The results over the past two years have not lived up to our standards"
Read into that what you wish .
Bryan Glazer said: “The results over the past two years have not lived up to our standards"
Read into that what you wish .
That they will put up with mediocre results for 2 years?
I know its a weird one to call, but are our standards higher than tampa ?
that they won't sack him this season or in the summer...
I very much doubt had Moyes come in to replace Wenger and then gone on to lose 8 games, draw 4 and win 12 with a +10 goal difference, being knocked out of both cups and then repeatedly claim they played well and/or were very unlucky whilst offering terrible football, that we, as United fans, would see anything high and mighty about Arsenal sticking with him. We'd hope they'd do of course, but that's another matter. If he was there due to Wenger's endorsement we'd probably like it even more.
I think there's weight to outsiders perspectives. Not the WUMs, but the calm sensible ones. For instance, when people were on SAF's back in 2005 I remember other fans finding it laughable. Same as I've always felt when Arsenal fans have questioned Wenger. There's a pattern emerging with regards to opinions on Moyes and it stems from what he's produced and what he's failed to produce.
I think there's weight to outsiders perspectives. Not the WUMs, but the calm sensible ones. For instance, when people were on SAF's back in 2005 I remember other fans finding it laughable. Same as I've always felt when Arsenal fans have questioned Wenger. There's a pattern emerging with regards to opinions on Moyes and it stems from what he's produced and what he's failed to produce.
Yes.
I know that's what I thought that's why I said read into it as you wish because it can be looked at in different ways
Moyes has set a new precedent by desperately trying to keep Rooney by keeping him in the loop with transfers whereas SAF would have told him to shut his gob. Somehow I just don't see Moyes being able to assert his authority.
Fixed it for you....
It was to send our a clear message that he was going to be given time and backed no matter what. Unfortunately I don't for one second believe the board thought it would be as bad as it is, out of the FA Cup in the 3rd round, out of the league by Christmas, 30% loss record in the league, not only poor performances but dull one dimensional football. Add to that the £27 million panic buy.
It was a gamble they took that has backfired, no matter what anyone thinks money has more power at the club than Sir Alex and Bobby combined, if we start losing it then he will be pushed or sacked.
is Tampa Bucs a publicly traded company?
Good question. And I wanted from the beginning this. Get the best possible manager, if things go right (chances are high that they'll go with a good manager) then it isn't very likely that he'll leave us. We are one of the 3-4 biggest clubs in the world at the moment. It is harder to go somewhere better. Longevity is something that comes naturally if results are good, you should not ask for longevity just for the sake of it. Great to have a manager who stays here for one or two decades. Only if he is good though.
Maybe people learn from their mistakes. (maybe that person who'll learn is me if Moyes manages to turn this and on 20 years I'll be more calm when we get a new manager).
no idea ? anyone?
Nope. He started to drop him after it was clear that he wasn't returning back to form.to be fair...didn't Ferguson play Valencia practically every week.....
Take the two most important games of last season (again Madrid). In first one SAF started Kagawa, while on the second one he started Nani/Giggs there.
I don't believe they are.
One point im frankly astounded by is how quickly some fans have turned on some great servants to our club - Río, Vidic, Evra etc have all delivered great years to this club while producing something at the end of it i.e. Trophies.
The fact that many are hanging these guys out to dry in some effort to support Moyes is just sad.
The fact that many are hanging these guys out to dry in some effort to support Moyes is just sad.
It'll be interesting to hear what Vidić, Ferdinand and Evra have to say about Moyes when they leave in the summer.
That will be the only time we will find out. What's the betting that when we do it will make the players sound petty and childish.
This sums it up nicely.
http://strettynews.com/a-new-unacceptable-low/
Spot on
A new, unacceptable low
Posted by: Richard Cann February 1, 2014 in Match Reaction 54 Comments
If some United fans can’t see it now they never will. A 2-1 defeat at a quite frankly awful Stoke side, themselves in free fall, has to be the final straw. Five defeats in eight games in 2014, including deserved losses today, at home to Swansea and Spurs and at Sunderland. And none of us are surprised anymore. We’re no longer devastated by defeat. The players no longer look devastated, just resigned. The game at the Britannia was our season in microcosm: talented players in all bar the midfield, playing prehistoric, one dimensional football and, when things turn bad, a manager and coaching staff who appear totally baffled and unable to identify what to do to change things. A squad which won the title by eleven points last season, with Juan Mata, Marouane Fellaini and Adnan Januzaj, nearly £70m worth of talent and one of the finest young players in world football, have been assembled into a team which began by playing mid-table football and is now in relegation form. We can blame the players, and no doubt they should shoulder some responsibility for their performances, but the buck stops with the coaching staff. If three or four were under-performing we could point fingers at them alone, but this is squad wide. Every player bar De Gea, Rooney and Januzaj has played consistently below the level we know they can achieve and sustain.
Some claim that the manager and his staff should be given another six to twelve months. That this isn’t Moyes’ team. He hasn’t got the players he wants. He has a vision. This opinion is of course their prerogative and they are entitled to it, but to me that attitude appears to be built on nothing but blind faith, that Sir Alex took several years to succeed and that this manager will also come good. I do not believe that the current state of affairs would be tolerated at any other elite club worldwide. Persisting out of some sort of belief that our club is more special, more loyal than others is absurd. The main tenet of the optimists’ vision has been that injuries have greatly hindered us, which is partly true, but that when Carrick, Rooney and Van Persie returned from injury they would fire us to Arsenal’s fourth place trophy. Well there it is peeps. They’re back and we’re still tumescent dross. You can have great players, and those three are wonderfully talented, but if your principle tactic is to get the ball wide as quickly as possible for the winger or full back to cross, against a team of giants whose entire game plan is based around aerial dominance, then you could have Lionel Messi on the pitch and he’d struggle. It’s no coincidence that our goal came from a rare attempt to play through the middle. It’s a familiar pattern. You can go back to the Spurs game at home. 99% abject and aimless crossing. Our one goal came when Januzaj tore up the rule book and slid Danny Welbeck in from a central position.
Another statistic for you. This season Manchester United’s entire complement of natural central midfielders have contributed one goal and one assist. It’s February. Now this isn’t a new issue, but the numbers are more startling that ever before. There are two reasons for this. Firstly, they are simply poor players playing badly or, in the case of Michael Carrick, a very good but ageing player upon whom we have been totally reliant in recent years, struggling with injury and being terribly out of form. But then who isn’t? Secondly, the midfielders we have simply do not get forward. Their first thought, in any circumstance, is to get the ball wide. Statistically we have crossed the ball more than any other side in the Premier League this season and rank 20th at attacking moves through the central channel. There can be no excuse that Moyes doesn’t have the players to play any other way. Stoke, Cardiff, Villa, West Brom, Allardyce’s West Ham, all play through the middle more than us.
Read the rest at the URL posted above
Spot on
A new, unacceptable low
Posted by: Richard Cann February 1, 2014 in Match Reaction 54 Comments
If some United fans can’t see it now they never will. A 2-1 defeat at a quite frankly awful Stoke side, themselves in free fall, has to be the final straw. Five defeats in eight games in 2014, including deserved losses today, at home to Swansea and Spurs and at Sunderland. And none of us are surprised anymore. We’re no longer devastated by defeat. The players no longer look devastated, just resigned. The game at the Britannia was our season in microcosm: talented players in all bar the midfield, playing prehistoric, one dimensional football and, when things turn bad, a manager and coaching staff who appear totally baffled and unable to identify what to do to change things. A squad which won the title by eleven points last season, with Juan Mata, Marouane Fellaini and Adnan Januzaj, nearly £70m worth of talent and one of the finest young players in world football, have been assembled into a team which began by playing mid-table football and is now in relegation form. We can blame the players, and no doubt they should shoulder some responsibility for their performances, but the buck stops with the coaching staff. If three or four were under-performing we could point fingers at them alone, but this is squad wide. Every player bar De Gea, Rooney and Januzaj has played consistently below the level we know they can achieve and sustain.
Some claim that the manager and his staff should be given another six to twelve months. That this isn’t Moyes’ team. He hasn’t got the players he wants. He has a vision. This opinion is of course their prerogative and they are entitled to it, but to me that attitude appears to be built on nothing but blind faith, that Sir Alex took several years to succeed and that this manager will also come good. I do not believe that the current state of affairs would be tolerated at any other elite club worldwide. Persisting out of some sort of belief that our club is more special, more loyal than others is absurd. The main tenet of the optimists’ vision has been that injuries have greatly hindered us, which is partly true, but that when Carrick, Rooney and Van Persie returned from injury they would fire us to Arsenal’s fourth place trophy. Well there it is peeps. They’re back and we’re still tumescent dross. You can have great players, and those three are wonderfully talented, but if your principle tactic is to get the ball wide as quickly as possible for the winger or full back to cross, against a team of giants whose entire game plan is based around aerial dominance, then you could have Lionel Messi on the pitch and he’d struggle. It’s no coincidence that our goal came from a rare attempt to play through the middle. It’s a familiar pattern. You can go back to the Spurs game at home. 99% abject and aimless crossing. Our one goal came when Januzaj tore up the rule book and slid Danny Welbeck in from a central position.
Another statistic for you. This season Manchester United’s entire complement of natural central midfielders have contributed one goal and one assist. It’s February. Now this isn’t a new issue, but the numbers are more startling that ever before. There are two reasons for this. Firstly, they are simply poor players playing badly or, in the case of Michael Carrick, a very good but ageing player upon whom we have been totally reliant in recent years, struggling with injury and being terribly out of form. But then who isn’t? Secondly, the midfielders we have simply do not get forward. Their first thought, in any circumstance, is to get the ball wide. Statistically we have crossed the ball more than any other side in the Premier League this season and rank 20th at attacking moves through the central channel. There can be no excuse that Moyes doesn’t have the players to play any other way. Stoke, Cardiff, Villa, West Brom, Allardyce’s West Ham, all play through the middle more than us.
Read the rest at the URL posted above
Maybe we should stop hiring people called David? That's him and Sexton that have been shit.
Spanish Dave.
Very fair. The only thing I disagreed with him was Zaha. I don't know how can be a pro for Moyes to ship Zaha after he only got 60 minutes this year? If he becomes a better player, that is because of Moyes?
Well, also Rooney bit is becoming a myth. He isn't playing at his best. Better than last season for sure, but nowhere near as good as in 2009-2010 and the second half of 2010-2011.
Spanish Dave.
A bright spot among the arse objects of Moyes
Yeah I'd agree with your points. Add to that the Januzaj point as well, Ferguson would've utilised him this season too. He made the bench in his last game. Think your man was trying to be fair to Moyes as possible.
Dave Sexton actually won something before he came here. He was a good coach but just not for United. Too quiet.
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