Moyes So Far!

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This is going to be a very unpopular opinion but if our dour display and results continue until the end of the season, if Moyes isn't sacked then I hope our players force him out.

I hope they do it sooner rather than later.
 
I would guess that he keeps it up because it's the only system he has available right now. We've got some fine attacking players in RVP, Rooney, Mata, Janujaz and the like but absolutely no midfield that can protect the defence while allowing the creative players to flourish.

This is spot on. I've given this as a reason why we probably keep seeing the likes of Valencia in the team.

A lot of us want to see us with an interchanging, fluid attack with Januzaj, Mata, Rooney and RVP, but we don't really have an ideal midfield to support that right now. Look at City and Chelsea for example, they've got extremely energetic midfielder sat in behind their front men. That's what we need. Hell, Mourinho even decided that Mata was too much of a luxury for his system.

It is going to take time and money to get where we seemingly want to be. I'm sure it'll be worth it in the end if we can just get those players in to make it work.
 
This is spot on. I've given this as a reason why we probably keep seeing the likes of Valencia in the team.

A lot of us want to see us with an interchanging, fluid attack with Januzaj, Mata, Rooney and RVP, but we don't really have an ideal midfield to support that right now. Look at City and Chelsea for example, they've got extremely energetic midfielder sat in behind their front men. That's what we need. Hell, Mourinho even decided that Mata was too much of a luxury for his system.

It is going to take time and money to get where we seemingly want to be. I'm sure it'll be worth it in the end if we can just get those players in to make it work.

He may not have the midfield he wants or needs, but he had two transfer windows to rectify it and he hasn't. It's obviously not just up to him to get the players in, but he is a huge part of it.
 
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This after just six months....

Good to have something in the Megastore to sell after the season finishes
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It's sad we've come to the stage we're hoping the Glazer's overrule Ferguson.
It is, but whilst Sir Alex was the best manager ever to grace the sport, he's also a terrible director based on his decisions so far (namely appointing Moyes, and playing a part in giving him a SIX year contract)
 
I hope they do it sooner rather than later.

To be fair I think so too. Only reason I'm a bit apprehensive is I wouldn't be sure as to who could come in this late in the season to manage, even on a strictly interim basis.
 
This is going to be a very unpopular opinion but if our dour display and results continue until the end of the season, if Moyes isn't sacked then I hope our players force him out.

RVP left Arsenal to win trophies. Rooney clearly wants to be winning trophies. They are our two main players. If we continue playing horrendous football and continue not to be a threat for trophies, then I could see that having some kind of an impact.
 
This is spot on. I've given this as a reason why we probably keep seeing the likes of Valencia in the team.

A lot of us want to see us with an interchanging, fluid attack with Januzaj, Mata, Rooney and RVP, but we don't really have an ideal midfield to support that right now. Look at City and Chelsea for example, they've got extremely energetic midfielder sat in behind their front men. That's what we need. Hell, Mourinho even decided that Mata was too much of a luxury for his system.

It is going to take time and money to get where we seemingly want to be. I'm sure it'll be worth it in the end if we can just get those players in to make it work.

Indeed. It was clearly visible against Stoke. A big feck-off hole in the middle of the park where Roy Keane (for example) used to be.
 
To be fair I think so too. Only reason I'm a bit apprehensive is I wouldn't be sure as to who could come in this late in the season to manage, even on a strictly interim basis.

I doubt we'd do any worse with any interim manager, maybe we can get Di Matteo to see if he can fluke another CL?
 
Anderson was reported saying that more players are ready to follow him out of OT,he mentions nani. In both cases i think they would have left the same had fergie remained another year. The other players mentioned by the author were Río,vidic and evra - which are either crocked or at the end of their career.
 
What he said is still the same. He focused on wingers getting to the byline as his only statement regarding our attack. At least the expanded quote shows that he realizes that his main method of attack doesn't work. It just begs the question of why he keeps it up. If we can't cross the ball successfully, maybe we should do something other than focus all our energy on the flanks?
The fact it doesn't work is maybe him giving them a chance and they are proving they are not good enough and will be gone in the summer clearout. I would now be trying something different and if that doesn't work either the club not just him have problems.
 
how many interim managers won the cl except di matteo?

I'm not saying we'd win the CL with an interim manager, but I can't see our chance to make 4th be any worse with a new guy.
 
I think the players respect Ferguson too much to go and revolt. Think they'll continue to go about their business and the unhappy ones will quietly hand in transfer requests.
Ferguson sat in the stands is what is stopping a revolt. If he had stepped away from the club, then Moyes may have had the sort of trouble other managers have had.
 
This is going to be a very unpopular opinion but if our dour display and results continue until the end of the season, if Moyes isn't sacked then I hope our players force him out.
Hell no.
That's the last thing the club needs, we would end up like Chelsea with the senior players managing the club. If the board aren't strong enough to sack Moyes or are or to stubborn to admit they gave made a mistake then they themselves should be under fire.
The last thing the club needs is players thinking they can pick and choose their own manager.
 
Honestly though guys, how many of you can actually see us sacking Moyes this summer even if we drop to tenth? I can't see it at all. I think unless the man gets us relegated, he is going to get a second season.
 
Anderson was reported saying that more players are ready to follow him out of OT,he mentions nani. In both cases i think they would have left the same had fergie remained another year. The other players mentioned by the author were Río,vidic and evra - which are either crocked or at the end of their career.
It's a non quote as you say, the players may have gone anyway.
 
Honestly though guys, how many of you can actually see us sacking Moyes this summer even if we drop to tenth? I can't see it at all. I think unless the man gets us relegated, he is going to get a second season.
Unfortunately this is the case.
 
I think he should already be on the verge of being sacked right now.

And I think that will only be confirmed by end of the season. Our football will probably improve slightly (given how low the standard has gotten, it has to, right?) but not enough and we won't finish 4th.

But sadly sir Alex will have a big say in his future. Is he willing to bite the bullet regarding a poor decision on his own part. He'll have to swallow his ego to do so. I think he'll probably use his clout to buy Moyes more time where he deserves a sacking.

I'd love to be wrong about both the above points. About Moyes not being good enough and about sir Alex's reaction or clout. But I don't see it.
 
Honestly though guys, how many of you can actually see us sacking Moyes this summer even if we drop to tenth? I can't see it at all. I think unless the man gets us relegated, he is going to get a second season.
I can see the Glazers getting involved, especially if Nike low-ball the shirt sponsorship offer.
 
Sir Alex should just sack Moyes and sort out this mess himself and being us to 4th place, then if he still feels like retiring, do it without selecting the next manager

Good god does no one learn from history.

This is the very worst thing that can happen.

If the answer is 'put Fergie back in charge' no one, ever, will do any good at the club. Every single 'next manager' will be under the 'Fergie managed it with these players' cloud and that is an absolute surefire way to 20 years in footballing wilderness.

How do I know that? Because this club existed before 1992.
 
Hell no.
That's the last thing the club needs, we would end up like Chelsea with the senior players managing the club. If the board aren't strong enough to sack Moyes or are or to stubborn to admit they gave made a mistake then they themselves should be under fire.
The last thing the club needs is players thinking they can pick and choose their own manager.

I totally agree it should be left to complete and utter nutter bastards like us to choose our next manager ,players pah! who do they think they are
 
Hell no.
That's the last thing the club needs, we would end up like Chelsea with the senior players managing the club. If the board aren't strong enough to sack Moyes or are or to stubborn to admit they gave made a mistake then they themselves should be under fire.
The last thing the club needs is players thinking they can pick and choose their own manager.

The problem there is that the senior players who might start a revolt, might then scarper in the summer and leave the younger players to deal with the fallout.
 
Honestly though guys, how many of you can actually see us sacking Moyes this summer even if we drop to tenth? I can't see it at all. I think unless the man gets us relegated, he is going to get a second season.
And he could say this was our transition year, like Rogers had at Liverpool.
And then if we're 10th again? He could say it was injuries/schedule/bad luck......

we could all be eating our words this time next year if he's still around but that's hard to see now.
 
I can see the Glazers getting involved, especially if Nike low-ball the shirt sponsorship offer.
I could see that happening. In the end they call the shots.

How often did people criticise fergie for toeing the line with regards to them?

If they'd decide he's gone then he'll be gone within days. I'm not sure if they're involved enough to make those calls or just take whatever sir Alex and sir bobby say and go with it.
 
And he could say this was our transition year, like Rogers had at Liverpool.
And then if we're 10th again? He could say it was injuries/schedule/bad luck......

we could all be eating our words this time next year if he's still around. it's just hard to see it now.
People have gone very easy of Moyes. I don't think it will be the case next season if he's still around. It probably won't be the case towards the ending of this season given the gap between us and Liverpool and the football being played.
 
Good god does no one learn from history.

This is the very worst thing that can happen.

If the answer is 'put Fergie back in charge' no one, ever, will do any good at the club. Every single 'next manager' will be under the 'Fergie managed it with these players' cloud and that is an absolute surefire way to 20 years in footballing wilderness.

How do I know that? Because this club existed before 1992.

That's why the team needs an overhaul to make it his team, that would be the same for any new manager. If Jose had done a Mata to one of the senior players, we might have problems if he was a popular player.
 
I still dont know what we were thinking. Why would we offer a 6 year contract? I know we are all about stability but why not give him like a 3 year contract and if does well, then extend it?
 
I could see that happening. In the end they call the shots.

How often did people criticise fergie for toeing the line with regards to them?

If they'd decide he's gone then he'll be gone within days. I'm not sure if they're involved enough to make those calls or just take whatever sir Alex and sir bobby say and go with it.
I'm sure they're involved in the financial side to know that Moyes has already cost them over 200m.
 
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