Moyes So Far!

[Tomalonge]

I have to say; the most amusing part of this thread is the people justifying the sacking as "having been patient"

I still don't know if Moyes is or isn't the man for the job. This conclusion has come a year too early.

 

[#07]

I've a real problem with the idea of selling Chicharito, Kagawa and Nani whilst holding onto Welbeck, Young & Valencia.

You know this will happen though, right? You've been preparing yourself for it I hope. Chico, Kagawa and Nani have less chance of staying than Valencia has of being dropped for a sustained period.

 

[Sir A1ex]

Not sure if this is true, very unlikely, however Anderson has been reported to say that a number of the players including Nani want out of United.

I guess this may have something to do with not wanting to play for Moyes.

Surely more to do with no being given a chance to play under Moyes?

It's pretty common with any club / manager that teh players who are starting regularly are happy to stay, while those who aren't getting playing time are interested in leaving.

Not that I'd take some reported Anderson quotes as gospel in this instance.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

I agree - as you said 7 months is not enough when you try to implement new philosophy into the club and try to change things round and to move in the right direction.

But at the moment is like your new airplane has lost it's engines and is spiraling down to earth.

I can't see what will change in the next 7 months or 7 years for the matter. I can't see any willingness to change.

I actually think there is some kind of change in our play. We playing worse and worse, in out first match against City I thought we had some kind of plan and was quite pleased, since then in each game we have looked more and more clueless.

 

[#07]

7 months doesn't have to be enough.

Rodgers wasn't doing very well after 7 months and was looking at frankly sackable form.

Rafa was doing worse than his predecesor after 7 months as well.

Neither were in danger of the sack because they were obviously implementing a new style of football that looked worthwhile and experiencing the hiccups of that.

It was clear Hodgson was out of his depth as early as October. No football project in evidence worth persisting with and evidently out of his depth on and off the pitch.

If Moyes had given some inkling on the pitch about what he was trying to mould the team into, it'd be different. It hasn't even been fits and starts. Whatever he wants from the team, it isn't suggestive of top team football, let alone actually playing like a top team.

We need to listen to the Liverpool fans (never thought I'd say that!). They have been through it, they know what the spiral of decline looks like.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

So Anderson has been speaking to the Italian press and he reckons players want out of Old Trafford under Moyes.

 

[Cal?]

Who would you begrudge leaving?

I've a real problem with the idea of selling Chicharito, Kagawa and Nani whilst holding onto Welbeck, Young & Valencia.

As above

You know this will happen though, right? You've been preparing yourself for it I hope. Chico, Kagawa and Nani have less chance of staying than Valencia has of being dropped for a sustained period.

I'd want to leave too if I am in their position of hardly playing at all when the likes of Young and Valencia start most the time.

 

[B20]

So Anderson has been speaking to the Italian press and he reckons players want out of Old Trafford under Moyes.

quotes?

 

[Cal?]

I actually think there is some kind of change in our play. We playing worse and worse, in out first match against City I thought we had some kind of plan and was quite pleased, since then in each game we have looked more and more clueless.

Our best performance in the league all season was the away game at Swansea, says it all really.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

quotes?

Anderson: Players want out of Old Trafford

I’m sure that lots of players want out, especially people like myself and Nani, who have been in Manchester for seven or eight years. Manchester United is a huge club a club that does everything for its players but sometimes a footballer wants to leave just to experience a different way to play football, to learn something as well.

I want to stay here [in Florence]. Playing in Manchester was great. It’s a prestigious club with a lot of history. I’ve been there seven or eight years and I’m thankful to be here, to show Fiorentina my quality and fight for a spot in the starting line-up. I thank all Manchester United fans for their love, but I’m here to stay.

 

[2 man midfield]

I think what some posters are getting at is that 7 months is not nearly enough time if you are attempting to turn around the fortunes of a side, eg Rodgers. Moyes however has taken us from a winning position and overseen a regression in league position and form. Should he be afforded the time to turn it round if he was the one to take us here in the first place?

 

[Cal?]

Just read that the odds of us winning the league this season are an astounding 150/1. I can't remember the last time such odds were quoted for a Manchester United side. 1973 or 1974 maybe.

Actually with a few weeks to go in 2005

 

[Mister Ed]

7 months doesn't have to be enough.

Rodgers wasn't doing very well after 7 months and was looking at frankly sackable form.

Rafa was doing worse than his predecesor after 7 months as well.

Neither were in danger of the sack because they were obviously implementing a new style of football that looked worthwhile and experiencing the hiccups of that.

It was clear Hodgson was out of his depth as early as October. No football project in evidence worth persisting with and evidently out of his depth on and off the pitch.

If Moyes had given some inkling on the pitch about what he was trying to mould the team into, it'd be different. It hasn't even been fits and starts. Whatever he wants from the team, it isn't suggestive of top team football, let alone actually playing like a top team.

I totally agree with this !

I don't care as much about being 7th and not getting CL football, I can do without that for a while, if need be. What is more important is the outlook on the future under the new manager.

If Moyes looked capable, if he was trying to really build something new here that could have the potential to work than I'd be all for it. But he hasn't, the football he plays is really negative and doesn't work at all, I don't see changes in any of the games, the goals we score and the points we get are because of individual quality and are usually against far weaker sides. There is nothing new, nothing exciting, nothing good about Manchester United under Moyes, simple as that.

I want to give him my support, but the truth is to give support you need have something supportable, something that proves he could actually make it here. The only thing he shows game in game out is that he is out of his depth, and continuing with that is just madness, its suicidal in fact.

 

[B20]

Anderson: Players want out of Old Trafford

Ouch. If he is saying it, I imagine a fair few are whispering it among themselves.

 

[#07]

Actually with a few weeks to go in 2005

2005 is a funny point for comparison because I remember us being rubbish, we made David Bentley and Morten Gamst Pedersen look like Kanchelskis and Giggs! Yet, and maybe it was because we got to the F.A. Cup final, it never felt as if the season was completely dead.

Since we lost the League Cup semi final at Sunderland I have to say I've already given up the ghost and it feels like the players have too. I never felt at any stage late against Stoke that we could turn it around. The spirit in the team, which was still there in 2005 in fits and starts, seems to have totally died.

 

[JaffyJoe]

It does matter if a manager has won titles especially at a club this size. If you are not a winner you need to be coming in with a clear footballing philosophy. Players like to win and if you offer them the opportunity to do that AND to play good football they will respond to you better. Moyes has NO credentials as a winner neither does his staff. Overachieving at a club this size of Everton and competing for titles here is a big step up, there is at least one level of club between them. I doubt the players truly respect him, I have no proof but the scenario isn't hard to imagine.

 

[Sunny Jim]

I totally agree with this !

I don't care as much about being 7th and not getting CL football, I can do without that for a while, if need be. What is more important is the outlook on the future under the new manager.

If Moyes looked capable, if he was trying to really build something new here that could have the potential to work than I'd be all for it. But he hasn't, the football he plays is really negative and doesn't work at all, I don't see changes in any of the games, the goals we score and the points we get are because of individual quality and are usually against far weaker sides. There is nothing new, nothing exciting, nothing good about Manchester United under Moyes, simple as that.

I want to give him my support, but the truth is to give support you need have something supportable, something that proves he could actually make it here. The only thing he shows game in game out is that he is out of his depth, and continuing with that is just madness, its suicidal in fact.

I agree with this. Its not about the results its about us being poor and negative.

 

[Cal?]

2005 is a funny point for comparison because I remember us being rubbish, we made David Bentley and Morten Gamst Pedersen look like Kanchelskis and Giggs! Yet, and maybe it was because we got to the F.A. Cup final, it never felt as if the season was completely dead.

Since we lost the League Cup semi final at Sunderland I have to say I've already given up the ghost and it feels like the players have too. I never felt at any stage late against Stoke that we could turn it around. The spirit in the team, which was still there in 2005 in fits and starts, seems to have totally died.

The players don't trust the lump it in box tactics, with good reason.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Why? Isn't 7 months enough to see he's out of his depth? Most other elite clubs will have fired him months ago, Chelsea would have done it in September.

To be fair sacking managers too early is one of my real hates in football.

I am delighted we have shown patience. Although there will be a stage when enough is enough

 

[Dumbstar]

Rafa has been mentioned a lot. Subliminally.

If he made himself available, and was the only decent option, would you accept him in the short to mid term?

 

[Cal?]

Ouch. If he is saying it, I imagine a fair few are whispering it among themselves.

No one is expecting otherwise.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Ouch. If he is saying it, I imagine a fair few are whispering it among themselves.

Moyes might have a problem if his good players want to leave as well as the ones he wants rid of. It might come down to the club making a choice between players and the manager. How many players can we afford to replace at one go. He might only be thinking of get rid of maybe 4 players, if it ends up higher than that it will be a major problem.

 

[togg]

So Anderson has been speaking to the Italian press and he reckons players want out of Old Trafford under Moyes.

well...obviously he and Nani used to speak privately....so Nani wanting to go is not such a suprise. However..if there are more players feeling the same way, if Anderson is right, then I think we have some trouble a'brewing...!

 

[Cal?]

To be fair sacking managers too early is one of my real hates in football.

I am delighted we have shown patience. Although there will be a stage when enough is enough

My real hate is not seeing the current regime lead anywhere but down.

Rafa has been mentioned a lot. Subliminally.

If he made himself available, and was the only decent option, would you accept him in the short to mid term?

Yes, as long as someone else signs players, he's a decent enough tactician.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

well...obviously he and Nani used to speak privately....so Nani wanting to go is not such a suprise. However..if there are more players feeling the same way, if Anderson is right, then I think we have some trouble a'brewing...!

Lets be real, I'd be surprised if our better players weren't considering their options.

 

[B20]

He might only be thinking of get rid of maybe 4 players, if it ends up higher than that it will be a major problem.

Obviously. How are Moyes and Woodward going to find the time to first scout and then sign 4+ players? That's like a 18 month project right there.

 

[Cal?]

Lets be real, I'd be surprised if our better players weren't considering their options.

I'd be worries if our younger players start considering their options...

 

[Randall Flagg]

well...obviously he and Nani used to speak privately....so Nani wanting to go is not such a suprise. However..if there are more players feeling the same way, if Anderson is right, then I think we have some trouble a'brewing...!

Why did Nani sign a new deal then?

It is my understanding he has been injured for nearly the whole season, otherwise he would at least be on the bench

 

[DomesticTadpole]

No one is expecting otherwise.

Although where some of them think they will be going to, god only knows. Some of them will never be signed by a big club. The Rooney/RVP class of players will always find a good club. Cannot see City/Chelses sniffing round the Young/Valencia type. Unfortunately the latter are probably the ones who want to stay.

 

[Cal?]

Obviously. How are Moyes and Woodward going to find the time to first scout and then sign 4+ players? That's like a 18 month project right there.

You really are loving this aren't you, you seem to post more often than most of us.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Why did Nani sign a new deal then?

It is my understanding he has been injured for nearly the whole season, otherwise he would at least be on the bench

Maybe he doesn't understand that being injured is why he isn't getting picked.

 

[B20]

Although where some of them think they will be going to, god only knows. Some of them will never be signed by a big club. The Rooney/RVP class of players will always find a good club. Cannot see City/Chelses sniffing round the Young/Valencia type. Unfortunately the latter are probably the ones who want to stay.

Vidic, Nani, Hernandez, Van Persie and Kagawa will probably have their sights set on different leagues. That should provide more options.

Rooney will be wondering how to get United to accept an offer from an English club.

 

[Cal?]

Although where some of them think they will be going to, god only knows. Some of them will never be signed by a big club. The Rooney/RVP class of players will always find a good club. Cannot see City/Chelses sniffing round the Young/Valencia type. Unfortunately the latter are probably the ones who want to stay.

Young/Valencia are perfect players for Moyes, why would they go?Rooney/RVP are completely different matters...

 

[B20]

You really are loving this aren't you, you seem to post more often than most of us.

 

[B20]

He'll be West Ham's next manager.

I think Stoke.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

The players don't trust the lump it in box tactics, with good reason.

He is definitely being one dimensional. He doesn't seem to be able to adapt the tactics. He has signed Mata who could get the play going through the middle but not using him properly. I cannot understand why he is persisting with the tactics when the players we have/had out there cannot cross a ball consistently. He doesn't have a David Beckham out wide.

 

[redevil2]

This is true watching the sunday supplement I get the feeling they all feel sorry for him. In the sense that hes not a bad manager but because hes clearly out of his depths at United - I honestly think he just cant take the mental strain being at a club like United can put on a guy.

Every game becomes a must win which much play with a guys head, maybe that's what separates the good managers from the great. The great will take a defeat and make sure there's a response in the next game where you its win at all cost, a good manager will merely hope for a win.

In Moyes case, a hope for a draw is good enough and he can sleep with a smile. Yeah, that's him

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Young/Valencia are perfect players for Moyes, why would they go?Rooney/RVP are completely different matters...

If he doesn't want flair players and ones who can be a bit temperamental, which top class players usually are. He is at the wrong club. He seems to want the good boys, who will not question what he is doing, who run around a lot and obviously, PUT CROSSES IN.

 

[redevil2]

I've a real problem with the idea of selling Chicharito, Kagawa and Nani whilst holding onto Welbeck, Young & Valencia.

The worrying thing is it looks like Moyes regard Welbeck and Young as the main men. Very sad!

 

[Arruda]

Actually with a few weeks to go in 2005

It would only make sense to compare it with similar points in the season...