I don't think he is shit mate, he's under performed largely but I wonder if it's down to mentality more than anything. Look at Mata when he was marginalised at Chelsea, he still came in and was the best player on the park at times, always available and never hid once. Kagawa might just be to shy on the field to take a big role on his own, perhaps he can flourish if Moyes has the perception/balls to try that front rotating 3 for a run of games. Kagawa clearly has the ability but it's not just ability you require it's the courage and belief in your own ability to play with freedom, it's what sets Januzaj apart from many other prospects in the league.
Moyes So Far!
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I don't think this is true. He had 0 goals and 1 assists or so for Chelsea this season. He averaged more than thirty gal/assists in each of the last two seasons.
That's the boards fault then, they chose him for the wrong reasons. SAF let his heart rule his head.
The first time I agree with you today
It's not classy at all. It just makes us look like fecking idiots when it's as clear as day to every football fan in the country that Moyes is not the man for the job.
If we had sacked him after four or give games then that would have been disgusting. But he has now had over half a season in charge and he hasn't improved one thing about us.
If we had sacked him after four or give games then that would have been disgusting. But he has now had over half a season in charge and he hasn't improved one thing about us.
The players are not buying into his tactics. It's that simple. This translates into lackluster effort, zero confidence. And any team with zero confidence will not win, no matter how talented they are.
There's a balance that needs to be reached here. Players must buy into Moyes footballing philosophy, but Moyes must also able to sell it to the players.
There's a balance that needs to be reached here. Players must buy into Moyes footballing philosophy, but Moyes must also able to sell it to the players.
What if we sack him and all these manager being named don't want the job? What is happening with Moyes might actually put some off. Problem is fans are that arrogant they think every manager wants to manage Manchester United and every player wants to play for us.
Something I heard over the weekend, which I never thought about myself is that our squad is not used to change.
The guy I had this chat with said he thinks a lot of our problems are due to the squad not being through a manager change before unlike the likes of City, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. where the squads are used to change and can adapt. I don't completely agree with his statement but it can certainly explain a few things and how certain players have not been able to adapt whilst others have.
The guy I had this chat with said he thinks a lot of our problems are due to the squad not being through a manager change before unlike the likes of City, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. where the squads are used to change and can adapt. I don't completely agree with his statement but it can certainly explain a few things and how certain players have not been able to adapt whilst others have.
Simple really .. why would multiple medal winners listen to him about believe and playing well in order to win (..medals)!
Fergie has/had charisma and a presence. I think he had forgotten that about himself when he selected Moyes.
If Moyes gets the punt, watch him manage a team near the bottom of the league.
Half a season? Well feck me!
Tbf, taking into account the well known phenomenon of time seeming to pass faster as you get older, I suppose 6 months seems a lifetime for a 7 year-old.
Moyesball = Moneyball?
5.7m pounds for year (Moyes' wage which is the seventh highest wage for a manager in football, more than twice higher than Pellegrini's) and the chance to manage United might do the trick. Obviously not to every manager (Mourinho, Pep, Klopp, Pellegrini, Wenger, Conte and Ancelotti almost surely wouldn't come here right now, mainly because they already are at top clubs) but the majority of them would be happy to come here.
Ferguson would never have believed that things would be this bad.
When he gave us all that rallying cry to get behind the manager he probably envisaged a worse case scenario situation of us battling Arsenal for third place this season.
When he gave us all that rallying cry to get behind the manager he probably envisaged a worse case scenario situation of us battling Arsenal for third place this season.
Of course lots of managers would want to come here. It's Manchester United, not Stoke City. We probably could have had any manager we wanted, except Guardiola.
I started off thinking two seasons was the minimum, he should be judged on his second season, not his first. By Christmas I had conceded that if things carried on as they were it may be that a full second season might be excessive, that we'd know whether he was up to the job by Christmas this year, but still he should be judged on how his second season shapes up. The way things are going now I dont think it would be unreasonable to sack him at the end of the season if there are no indicators that things are improving.
Ergo, you think SAF himself will accept that Moyes has to go? That he cant justify doing this badly with the players he has?
Oh I agree. In the end if a player or manager isn't good enough it's not actually their fault unless they don't try their best.
Yep, half a season more than most managers would have been given.
Wow you are so funny! Implying that I am only 7 years old. My God you should be a comedian!
I don't think anyone is absolving them of all the blame. You'll find a lot of people here who want Valencia and Young gone.
But like with any business or profession, the buck stops with the guy at the top. The CEO, the MD, the manager. If I'm a CEO who is not good enough or performing poorly, it doesn't mean my employees are blameless, it just means that the final accountability is mine.
My fear is that Moyes will be given a shitload of $$ to spend in the summer on his type of players... then he gets the sack at the end of next season but by then we are skint. A bit like the scousers after Kenny?
Then what? The new manager comes in but has very limited cash and a squad of Moyes type players...
I say that Woody lock in as many long term commercial contracts as possible today in case that scenario becomes a reality.
Then what? The new manager comes in but has very limited cash and a squad of Moyes type players...
I say that Woody lock in as many long term commercial contracts as possible today in case that scenario becomes a reality.
What are "his type of players"... Mata?
One thing I still don't get is why - after a solid defensive display against Cardiff - which saw only our second clean-sheet of 2014 (and the other one also featured Smalling at CB) he would then change the set-up and shift Smalling out to RB? It doesn't make any sense to me.
So how much money would United have to fork out to get rid? 30 million? Thats a top class players worth ffs. Idiotic signing any new manager to more than a 3 or 4 year deal
No he means Fellaini, who according to the wise sage council of Redcafe is the worst player to have ever played the game because feck you thats why
Well, if you will act like it.
But why am I acting like a child mate? I've been a United fan for nearly 30 years and have seen good times and bad times. But right now I am genuinely worried about the direction this football club is heading in under Moyes.
I like Moyes, he seems like a nice guy and I'd love for him to change it all around. But in 7 months I haven't seen one improvement in the team, whilst the like of Mourinho, Pellegrini and Martinez have transformed their new clubs immediately.
Take Moyes negative tactical approach out of the equation and we'd have beaten Southampton, WBA, Newcastle and Stoke. That's 10 extra points and we'd now be comfortably sitting in the top four and challenging for the title.
This.
In fairness you did say half a season more than most managers would have been given, which is a childish comment you must admit
There is probably a clause in place where if he doesn't qualify for CL football the amount of of compensation he would get will be significantly less if he's sacked.
Lanky lad up-front causing problem equals no game-time for short, curly-haired Brazilian.
I would fecking hope so
But even if that was the worry (which it shouldn't be) ... why not put Jones right-back?
Also, with Crouch - what's the point in trying to beat him in the air? It's the second ball you need to deal with.
Fair dues. I'm sorry if it sounded childish.
At the end of the day I don't want to argue with any of you guys. We're all United fans and should be sticking together .
As would I. It would be extremely foolish for the club not to have a plan for this sort of situation. The Glazers are business men, and that CL spot is a much needed source of income.
Its not an easy situation. What annoys me about our club is we seemingly always have to do things the hard way. We should be well oiled machine like the rest of the biggest clubs in the world
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