Let's agree to disagree here.
I put more trust in Fergie's judgment than mine when it comes to accessing talents and qualifications in football.
No disrespect to you guys.
Moyes So Far!
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Let's agree to disagree here.
I put more trust in Fergie's judgment than mine when it comes to accessing talents and qualifications in football.
No disrespect to you guys.
tbh i'd love to have an honest conversation with him and ask him few questions.
I see certain things don't work yet he repeats them every week.
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His average at Everton in the last 6 seasons is 6th with 60 points, Everton under him never scored more than 60 goals.
yes and he signed Baines for 6m
His average at Everton in the last 6 seasons is 6th with 60 points, Everton under him never scored more than 60 goals.
yes and he signed Baines for 6m
I actually don't see what is classy about any of this.
No, it's fine if you think Fergie chose the right guy for the job. But the club definitely doesn't owe it to Fergie to stick with whoever he chose whether he's right or wrong.
Never at the same time.
There is feck all classy about us....Only difference is, 95% of the clubs out there are worse
Never?
Exactly
We should start getting a narrower game now that we have the players to do it, I just don't know if Moyes can let go the 4-4-2, it's the main reason we've seen Valencia and Young so often despite having been poor.
The only thing that is getting narrower is people's patience
Partly, yes. Injuries are a flimsy excuse though, considering we were playing shite football when most of our best XI was available and the results were still crap as well.
I'm talking about the whole Moyes situation. Showing poor judgement by appointing someone who doesn't have a clue of how to manage a top team isn't classy at all.
I think I know what it is. We wanted to maintain our "British" flavor. In a day and age of premier league teams made up of foreign players, and managed by foreign managers, we felt our British Identity would keep us grounded, stable and give us the edge. Except British managers these days are pretty fecking average and well behind the curve in comparison their Spanish and other counterparts. We need to bite the bullet and get on with the times and not be so focused on nationality.
At least one of Carrick, Rooney and RvP started every league game.
More importantly, one of Valencia or Young must have started 90% of our games.
Focus on the important players, guys.
Focus on the important players, guys.
Here is a genuine question....Conte said it and Moyes said it...When Moyes was seen at them games in January, across Europe, you don't really think he was "learning about different playing styles....Do you?
Here is a genuine question....Conte said it and Moyes said it...When Moyes was seen at them games in January, across Europe, you don't really think he was "learning about different playing styles....Do you?
He's doing his internship at United
That's what Conte said...And scarily enough, that's what Moyes also said. He said he goes to loads of games to learn about this kind of stuff...I'm not making that up....Genuinely, you don't think he mean't that? Do you?
That tweet about the 8-9 time getting to the byline, now I have heard the full quote was actually a criticism from him. He said they got there that number of time and didn't get the ball in. I know we aren't happy that he seems to be obsessed about crosses, but he obviously knows we have a problem with some of our players and not being able to cross a ball, which should be a basic skill. Twitterers only seem to post what they want to to cause trouble.
This was exactly my vision for the weekend and he tried to fool us into thinking that was how it was set up, except when it was actually transmitted onto the field it was just a simple 4-4-2, jones going off forcing the change could have made it the perfect time to try and implement it by bringing in Fletcher to hold next to notsoCleverley. Once we had a centre forward in the hole,a forward in holding midfield, a number 10 out wide and Young.............It was of course doomed.
It's time now to get Carrick/the wig/Fletcher to sit behind a front 3 involving the above mentioned four and see how it plays, Moyes must now realise whatever he's tried with the players he's had is failed and needs scrapping.
My fear though is if your trying to hit the byline and get a cross in whilst playing on top of a hill in a gale and don't realise it's a daft idea then when on earth do you realise it ? Let's just hope it's been mentioned, perhaps the news that it was as windy as feck never reached the bench due to Neville not being able to hear through his ear piece, because it was too windy.
I'd rather Moyes came out with an honest assessment that we're not playing well enough, our passing through the middle is poor, we aren't creating nearly enough chances and it's not good enough. Bemoaning our luck - Moyes and the players are doing this fairly frequently of late is quite cringeworthy because a club of our size should be able to win games, against bottom half teams without relying on luck. Teams at the bottom of the table are outplaying us, even at OT and us getting to the byline 8 or 9 times isn't fecking good enough. He's got previous for making comments like this too because it was only a few weeks ago he claimed we played well because we got near the edge of the box a few times. The edge! Not even inside it!
I agree with whoever said it's not the wing play per se that is our downfall, it's the manner of it. City make good use of their flanks with clever crosses and cutbacks which create clear-cut goalscoring chances, we on the other hand are so one dimensional and the crosses lumped in from the flanks are all extremely predictable and easy for the opposition to clear. There's no cleverness or intricacy to our play whatsoever.
I said when Mata signed that if he's used effectively to alter our angles of passing he will be a good signing, but if he's just used as another vehicle to spread the ball out wide then he will change very little. First half it seemed just that but he drifted inside more in the second half and lo and behold he gets an assist through the middle. He should have been moved central after that rather than Welbeck, who is being criticised a lot but the fact that he was subbed on at all is what people should be most critical of. Chuck another striker on whilst the midfield struggles against regelation fodder seems to be our only answer to going behind atm when what we actually need is to shore up the midfield so that the attacking midfielders in front of them can get on with attacking.
This is my last moan because we all have to move on and not dwell on it. I hope to see some improvement but I won't hold my breath because we're regressing rather than getting better.
I agree with whoever said it's not the wing play per se that is our downfall, it's the manner of it. City make good use of their flanks with clever crosses and cutbacks which create clear-cut goalscoring chances, we on the other hand are so one dimensional and the crosses lumped in from the flanks are all extremely predictable and easy for the opposition to clear. There's no cleverness or intricacy to our play whatsoever.
I said when Mata signed that if he's used effectively to alter our angles of passing he will be a good signing, but if he's just used as another vehicle to spread the ball out wide then he will change very little. First half it seemed just that but he drifted inside more in the second half and lo and behold he gets an assist through the middle. He should have been moved central after that rather than Welbeck, who is being criticised a lot but the fact that he was subbed on at all is what people should be most critical of. Chuck another striker on whilst the midfield struggles against regelation fodder seems to be our only answer to going behind atm when what we actually need is to shore up the midfield so that the attacking midfielders in front of them can get on with attacking.
This is my last moan because we all have to move on and not dwell on it. I hope to see some improvement but I won't hold my breath because we're regressing rather than getting better.
I actually think that's hilarious. We're training David Moyes to become a top manager. Quality.How can we play good and attractive football with his backroom staff? That's where we go wrong imo
Exactly my thoughts. If he were to hire someone like Queiroz, who could work solely on how we play as a team, I'd feel happier with Moyes in charge. We've players that allow us to play a number of tactics and formations, and he seems to just concentrate on hoof balls and crosses. He needs to change his style or go.
Well, he'd take a role like Ferguson did in his later years. He'd help pick the team of course, and would perform normal managerial duties. He just shouldn't be allowed create tactics for a team so attacking minded like United, when he's simply not attacking minded at all..So in this scenario would Moyes just get to choose who plays each week?
To be honest, I'd rather just see him gone.
Well it's not hard to misguide a crowd which is already angry and confused. Twatter seems to be a bloody 'good' medium to cause this as well.
Ferguson was amazing at giving players belief in themselves. Moyes doesn't have that ability....not at the moment anyway. We don't have bad players....but we certainly have players playing with pretty much zero confidence at present.
Yeah, actually I have less questions about Moyes than I do about his backroom staff. I know the reasons why he got rid of key members of Fergie's backroom staff, but I think it's really backfiring. As well as new signings, he really has to think about this during the summer as well.
I was listening to the Press Pass on Talksport and Mike Calvin and Jason Burt we on, one of them said he thought some of the players were just going through the motions. Des Kelly asked him to name someone and he said Tom Cleverley, from reading other threads I get the impression some of you think this as well. Also that he is letting the players play themselves out of the club. The situation we are in will show who has the bottle to fight, sort the men from the boys.
I'm also wondering about compensation, if we do get rid of Moyes in the summer. How much are we going to have to pay, if it were to happen?
He has a 6 year contact but don't see anything happening for a couple of years. He will be given this summer to bring his players in and the following season will be the acid test for him.
Let me do the sorting.
Men: The playing staff (Champions)
Boys: Managerial Staff (losers/Never Winners of anything)
Well, that was a little easier than it should've been.
For me if that was the case, I'd rather Carlos as manager.
5 starts in 24 games in the league looks to me marginalizing him. Maybe heis just shit. We'll see how he does in the next club or here if we ever change the manager.
Defenses in Germany aren't as strong as in EPL, but anyway BVB makes the job really impossible for defenses.
I hope it doesn't get that far. He buys some players, and proves to the Glazers that he's not up to the job. In the end, they've spent upwards of 100m on a team that the next manager is stuck with.
Who cares what we have to pay? Get him out of our club and get him out now! It will be the best piece of business the Glazers will have ever done.
He's destroying our club with his dinosaur football and has no idea how to change things. Even if we had Messi & Ronaldo playing for us, we'd still be shit
Getting him out will have consequences. We signed a 6 year contract, and compensation could cost us when we're servicing our debt. Sadly, I hope the pressure gets to him and he quits.
Here is a genuine question....Conte said it and Moyes said it...When Moyes was seen at them games in January, across Europe, you don't really think he was "learning about different playing styles....Do you?
The manager of one of the biggest club in the world doing an internship.
Even if he is learning - and he is a student of the game (something that I have read here many times - he must really be a sit student. Everything until now lead me believe that he doesn't have a clue about the modern football.
If this attitude is reflected in the dressing room at all this is probably the root of the problem. Not the managerial team being losers but the perception that they are and the resulting impact on morale and effort among the players. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. In that sense Moyes cant take all the blame himself, its down to him to shake the players out of this mindset but at the same time the players need to get over themselves and realise SAF is gone and they have to play for a new manager and give their all.
Paying Moyes off will have little effect on the black hole that's the debt
Get a proven manager in and his compensation will be forgotten about when we start challenging again
He apparently says that he wants United to be a team that doesn pressure and has interchanging attackers.
Seriously though, i'd love to know his long term plan for the team, how he wants us to play. Whether he admires the newer styles such as Dortmund.
So he has marginalized our best player at doing pressure, plays Young/Valencia all the time who are shit at it and are players who usually don't change positions and play with a very deep line against Stoke fecking City which is leaded by Peter slow Crouch.
I completely believe him.
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