I agree it's embarrassing, out after 7 fecking month. Too long in my opinion, I wanted him out after our pre season tour. ;-)
Moyes So Far!
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I agree it's embarrassing, out after 7 fecking month. Too long in my opinion, I wanted him out after our pre season tour. ;-)
I honestly think he's trying to prove he's not Mr negative, had he brought in a hard working defensive mid like Fletch it would have likely shored things up and allowed us to play more expansively, it might have felt like a defensive move to him but it was exactly what was required, unless of course Fletch wasn't 100% in which case he shouldn't have been there. Moyes seems to be reacting to the media portrayal of him, if he's not careful he will become their full time plaything.
A couple of points, firstly people who think that throwing new players into this is going to be the answer are wrong, I think everyone would agree that De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Carrick, Mata (granted only new), Januzaj, Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez and Van Persie are proven talents capable of playing to the standard required by Manchester United and integral to the club's future, if he can't get those players playing you have to point the finger at him. They are proven Champion players with a winning mentality. Secondly, we won't finish top 4 so what top available player is going to want to sign? I think it is reasonable to expect that with the players we currently have that we would be at least competitive and playing decent attacking football. We are all over the place at the back and clueless in the final 3rd. It's bad when you are watching the likes of Southampton, everton and west brom perform thinking "Why can't our players do that", when they are not fit to lace our player's boots. Can you blame the players really for not responding given the standards of coaching they are used to, now the biggest football club in the World is being run and coached by David "I have never won anything" Moyes, Steve "Who the feck are you" Round, Jimmy "Fat Scottish Moyesy's mate" Lumsden and Phil "Ex squad player" Neville. At least in the early '80s under big Ron we were entertained if not showered in trophies, the biggest fear getting in mourinho was his shit style of football even though you knew he would produce, but we have ended up with the worst outcome, shit results and shit football, and as somebody pointed out, even given all this, he probably has the safest job in football right now. I think the fans deserve better.
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That's a delusion of grandeur I think. Might want to see a psychologist.
I'd be interested to see what someone like Queiroz could do in his old role as assistant. Helped SAF come up to date tactically and in Europe, so maybe he could help Moyes. Isn't he coaching in the middle east or something?
For all that he might have been justified in bemoaning the central midfield he inherited, Moyes' tactical inflexibility and failure to implement a temporary expedient has caused me to worry about his long term suitability.
Say we give him another 50m to buy midfielders yet they get injured, does the team revert to this dog's breakfast once more? If Moyes can't coach his way out of it now why should we suppose that he'll be able to in the future?
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See he's at the Super Bowl tonight
I showed it to all of my housemates and they all gave out a laugh for this.Not sure if whether that's due to all our alcohol consumption or not.
Not sure if whether that's due to all our alcohol consumption or not.
No, it's me and my obvious ability to make people laugh
It doesn't look like Moyes sees anything wrong with our tactical approach. We can dream all we want but Mata was never brought in to ignite our transition towards a more narrow system. What went through his head was probably 'we need chances so let's get Mata'. Hell, I am pretty sure his Welbeck substitution for the Stoke game was based on the thinking that 'we need a goal so let's put on a striker'.
I'd love an insight into the tactical mind David Moyes has.
"Alri Steve, you put the cones out, I'll get the lads to do some laps"
"What'll I do boss? You smell fantastic today btw!!"
"Phil, you can go clean my car"
I came for Moyes' ball sack, but as far as I can tell there's no live stream showing it?
*sigh* I guess 'Jones Face Compilation' will be my porn for the evening... Again..
*unzip*
*sigh* I guess 'Jones Face Compilation' will be my porn for the evening... Again..
*unzip*
Even with two wide men in a four four two, there can be much much more variety in our play. His game plan really seems to consist of passing it out wide. After all, we succeeded in 'getting to the byline eight or nine times' so I guess it is working great.
Seriously though, i'd love to know his long term plan for the team, how he wants us to play. Whether he admires the newer styles such as Dortmund.
Seriously though, i'd love to know his long term plan for the team, how he wants us to play. Whether he admires the newer styles such as Dortmund.
He revealed a bit when he spoke of Mata and having a selection of players who can play in 3 different positions behind the front man and who can be interchanged. Which would suggest 2-3-1. The trouble is that we just don't have the 2 right now.
As far as the three goes, Rooney, Mata, Januzaj and Kagawa can all play in either position.
Exactly, i'm hoping that we are in the market for 2 midfielders in the summer. Both energetic players capable/excellent defensively. Not only will this give the forward players more freedom and the fullbacks a chance to get forward, but it should help us defensively too. We've been far too soft, easy to play through and slow. We don't protect the defence nearly well enough and we're being shown up for it at the back.
Come on mate it was virtually 442
Moyes believes that Mata can play anywhere across the attacking three he fields in United's usual 4-2-3-1 shape. "Any one of the three I am comfortable to put him in. He did it for Chelsea and I can play him in any of those three roles," said the manager, who believes his big-name trio's ability to interchange positions with ease can bring a fluidity to United's play in the second part of the campaign. "Football is changing as the game goes on. Players change themselves," said Moyes. "There is a lot more movement especially with the forward players. They still have to play in a framework and from that framework you allow it to develop themselves."
- That's the quotes. I think he tried to use width against Stoke though. They're an impossible team to play against if you get tight and narrow. Very organised and when they are allowed to get compact it's a big ask to work a move through them.
The key component that people seem to be missing time and time again with the 4-2-3-1 is that for it to be effective in attack you need to be solid enough at the back to invite the opposition into your half in order to create the space and angles for the front 4 to exploit.
You can't do that when Tom Cleverley makes up 50% of your defensive midfield and even less so when Carrick drops into defence.
- That's the quotes. I think he tried to use width against Stoke though. They're an impossible team to play against if you get tight and narrow. Very organised and when they are allowed to get compact it's a big ask to work a move through them.
The key component that people seem to be missing time and time again with the 4-2-3-1 is that for it to be effective in attack you need to be solid enough at the back to invite the opposition into your half in order to create the space and angles for the front 4 to exploit.
You can't do that when Tom Cleverley makes up 50% of your defensive midfield and even less so when Carrick drops into defence.
He is based on the current evidence, a manager who encourages slow, one dimensional and utterly predictable football. He refuses to adapt to changed circumstances whether it be his new working environment at United or events on the pitch.
I think SAF may have overestimated the extent to which Moyes' habits were influenced by financial constraints at Everton, any hopes of a greater resources proving to be a liberating force seem to be waning fast at this point.
I think SAF may have overestimated the extent to which Moyes' habits were influenced by financial constraints at Everton, any hopes of a greater resources proving to be a liberating force seem to be waning fast at this point.
There was practically a hurricane at Stoke though. We should have just kept it on the ground.
One can say that Moyes should be given more time, but he's won nothing as a manager. I think SAF has fecked up big time on this one.
His decisions led the team to that point though.
It was Moyes who chose to field an out of form Carrick ahead of schedule. It was he who could have had Fletcher and or Jones in central midfield. A supposedly fit Rio was left as a mere spectator by none other but the manager. Unlucky Dave is the man who persists with the same jaded approach to games time after time.
Stopped reading at welbeck..
So by that logic, Liverpool should have stuck with Hodgson?
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Can we really put our trust in a man who has no eyebrows?
You can't blame fergie for implying what works for him, it's his team, he's the manager after all, he doesn't owe it to anyone to babysit Moyes and set him up the team according to his wish.
You can't blame Pep for not buying top defender as well, because that is not the core position for his system, and should he choose to bolster other part of his team (while still winning), that is to his credit.
We're not hypocrite though, most here doesn't want him from the start. He hasn't done anything to justify him given the time and patience, in contrary, we have been more than patience with him, at any other club he would have been escorted out.
It's not so much after 7 months, but more after 7 months of "going nowhere" football, dour tactics, shit results, and multiple miss management of the team. It's not like we simply want him out for no valid reason.
It would have been interesting to see how well Pelligrinni would have done on the old City budget
Quite well judging by his time at Villarreal.
You could also ask, would the team still play this dog's breakfast without the injury of those top class midfielders ?
Kagawa is top class, 7mths onward Moyes just can't figure out how to use him.
I don't buy it that German top player can't even make a squad player in here. Shifting Mata wide right, we haven't played electrifying football when Rooney, RvP, Kagawa, Carrick was fit either. If Moyes can't utilize Kagawa, I have doubt he can properly make use of Mata, other than him being an upgrade on Young
We really really don't.
All 3 have been out
The people saying this isn't partly due to injuries are hilarious.
Can anyone post this please?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport...e3993323.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_02_03
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport...e3993323.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_02_03
I'm sorry mate, but it's supproters like you that are now becoming the embarrassment. The majority of people have stood by Moyes until it became blatantly apparent that he isn't suitable for the large task in hand. Yet we have a section of supporters who insist he is, based on nothing but blind faith and an instruction from our last manager to back him. Fergie got it wrong and there is 7 months, 2 failed transfer windows and countless defeats to back this up.
But how are away fans lapping up our insistence at putting up banners portraying the 'chosen one' and singing his name, when he is dragging us deeper and deeper in the league. Yes, it was amicable to get behind him at first but now it's become a laughing stock. It's like United fans don't know what good football or management is after 20+ years of success.
People are voicing their opinion, and rightly so. We are playing atrocious football and not even looking like a mid table side.
This voice will only get stronger with every passing defeat....get used to it.
It started to feel that we supported moyes just to make a show of our supposed United way at the cost of our points, reputations, finance, well... everything... simply to brag about we're being better than the rest.
What makes us better than the rest is the United way and "winning" trophies along the way. Class and dignity is all good, but it means nothing if you're not winning. A classy winner is good, but a classy loser is still a loser.
Talking about class and dignity, I'm sure there's heaps of teams across England that carries this value, but nobody remembers them because they have won nothing.
What makes us better than the rest is the United way and "winning" trophies along the way. Class and dignity is all good, but it means nothing if you're not winning. A classy winner is good, but a classy loser is still a loser.
Talking about class and dignity, I'm sure there's heaps of teams across England that carries this value, but nobody remembers them because they have won nothing.
Exactly
We should start getting a narrower game now that we have the players to do it, I just don't know if Moyes can let go the 4-4-2, it's the main reason we've seen Valencia and Young so often despite having been poor.
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