Christ. Moyes said it in a recent interview/press conference. That's how I know. You want to try keeping up.
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Christ. Moyes said it in a recent interview/press conference. That's how I know. You want to try keeping up.
Anyone that watched Everton at all last season will testify to this. Unfortunately most on here don't know what they're talking about and simply form opinions based on a) what the media says, and b) what the other misinformed posters on here claim.
Ask this very question this time next year...and the answer will still be "no".
Might as well get used to it mate, Mayes aint going nowhere.
What is saying and what he is doing are competely different things.
I might say that I am going to win the Nobel price and then do feck all on my life. Doesn't mean that there is a vision on my life.
'I want to build an exciting team' and then continue again with the same boring style of football he has been implementing for the last 10 years. Yeah sure, we believe you Moyes. If only he had a bit more luck and we can go to their zone for 12-13 times in a match.
It doesn't really destabilize his post or point though, Moyes may have that vision but for every job you need the tools otherwise it's not going to work, we have plenty of tools but not the ones we need for the job.
Gary, is it you?
Unless you have connections to Glazer family, you don't know it. Don't act like you know.
So it took Moyes 9 seasons to apparently get Everton to play like that.
Brilliant. Only another 8 seasons to go.
Brilliant. Only another 8 seasons to go.
Do you really believe this though?
Why isn't playing Kagawa? He is the ideal player for a team that does pressure. If you read to Sphaero posts, that is his biggest strength.
How a 4-4-2 can work as a team who does pressure?
How we don't have the tools to work? Kagawa, Welbeck, Hernandez, Mata are all brilliant when it comes to doing pressure. Januzaj looks okay at it too. On the other side, the ones who play (Young and Valencia) aren't.
On Kagawa, Rooney, Mata and Januzaj we have players who are born to interchange position. Why they don't do it?
That sentence from Moyes makes sense if he actually tries to implement it. And certainly in 7 months we could have seen some results if he is really going to do it.
If you don't have the players available/performing to be able to play good football then you can't play good football.
He has to wait for the summer when we sign Bayern Munchen and give him the tools.
He certainly has 4-5 players who are very good at both interchanging positions and doing pressure.
Is that all you can come up with? 'Why isn't he playing Kagawa'? Is that your great vision for why we are underperforming?
I don't get what you mean about the 4-4-2 either, but we haven't been playing a 4-4-2 anyway so your point is probably invalid.
We are playing 4-4-2 on almost all the games. Rooney is playing more advanced than last season. Against Chelsea on the first half, Januzaj at times was more advanced than Welbeck.
Kagawa is one of the best players when it comes to doing pressure. Moyes doesn't use him. Isn't this a bit of contradiction?
Were all going to have to act like adults about this, sometimes it takes time to get what you want and just screaming I want it now without thought for the process it involves achieves nothing.
We really aren't. Early on in the season we had Kagawa or Januzaj starting on the left and tucking in, often playing basically behind the front men. Evra has been performing as a left winger half of the time. In the last game there was a lot of freedom for our attacking players - RVP and Hernandez picking the ball up deep, Mata and Rooney basically with a free role. It wasn't a 4-4-2 in my opinion. More of a 4-2-3-1 with freedom of the '3' and the striker to interchange.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mata say that his best form for Chelsea came from the right? Moyes is getting a lot of stick for playing him there but I'm pretty sure Mata said it himself.
I don't agree about Kagawa. He usually has played as a left winger. He was excellent as No.10 against Sociedad and then was the best player in the pitch against Swansea. But he is getting dropped every game, regardless how good he has played. That makes impossible for him then to play well when he gets called after three games.
He has been bad on the left side though.
Young and Valencia aren't near as good as Kagawa on a pressing team. Kagawa was Dortmund' best player in that type of game, and they were probably after Barca the best team when it comes to pressing.
“My best position, first of all playing! Playing, because it’s what I love, to play, and to smell the turf. But after I think I can play in the three positions behind the striker, I’ve managed to play on the left when I arrived at Chelsea, this season I play on the right, last season which probably the best season of my career I played behind the striker but it doesn’t matter as long as I play and the manager wants me to play."
Mata said he had his best season ever in the middle for Chelsea, he did say that he played well from the right though.
Really? Haven't seen that.
I think that he said that he has played well from the right and actually he was one of our bright points yesterday. Also, I was delighted to see him not playing as a traditional winger.
He goes missing when we are up against it, he should be looking for the ball constantly, literally hunting it down and asking the team to make him the outlet but he's just not got the mentality, it say's something revan when an 18n year old is the go to guy and you have these so called technical genius players like Kagawa on the field. If Kagawa can't adjust to coming from the left or right or through the middle then how the feck can he be part of this fluid football aforementioned ?
The problem is that we are not playing that type of football. If we were, I think that Kagawa would flourish at it.
Januzaj seems to be a more complete player than him but also he has been playing consistently while Kagawa is playing 1 in 3 or 4 games. It is very hard to be good when you play so rarely and even when you play you are usually out of position. And if you really play good then you will be rewarded by getting dropped and having the pleasure of watchin Young/Valencia make crosses all day long.
Moyes is getting stick because he played Welbeck there.
When a manager comes with confidence in him and his ability then you will see a completely different player than you see now.
He was very good cutting in from the right on his left!
We haven't had the players revan, and we haven't had the results to risk giving a less than impressive Kagawa game time in his foavoured position, we had our hand forced with Rooneys injury but one or two performances aside he looks like a scared player. Regards to the season as a whole no Rooney no Van Persie, no Juan Mata, we've had Adnan,Kagawa,Valencia and Young behind Danny Wellbeck.
Like I said earlier, if we are still playing the get it wide whack it in dross we have been playing now that we actually have a fluid front 3/4 to choose from, then I will be with you no fear, but upto now we have just not had the staff.
@mancan92 we've had two managers so far, I don't doubt the lads ability, it's plain to see but his mentality is a question mark for me, could you bring the lad in when your arse is on the line and trust him to pull you out of the shit ? No chance, unless of course you play him in the exact position he's any good at.
How can you have a fluid interchanging attack with Kagawa who is proven poor anywhere but in a central role ?
Okay, now that we have those players (with RVP-Roney returning and Mata coming here) I think that there shouldn't be excuses anymore. However I simply can't see it. Playing that brand of football isn't depended only on the players who play upfront. Defense for example should be higher (when you do pressure) but for example yesterday even Vidic/Rio weren't playing, and Smalling/Jones are much faster than Peter Crouch we were still playing with a very deep defense. It was a baffling decision by him
Actually he has been proven for Dortmund great as a player who can do a job on the left (I mean at times go there, not neccesarily play as a left winger). For Japan he does good on the left side. Last year he was decent there (not amazing but okay there). However this year he looks shit. It is much more than he can't play left. IMO it is more to do with the tactics and with confidence.
When did Pienaar say that?
Do you genuinely believe we don't have the players available to play good football?
Playing so deep against Crouch was indeed baffling I have no disagreement there, my whole take on yesterday is that the manager got it wrong, you can quote me as saying he bottled in some thread somewhere, it was a managerial disaster as far as I could see. Set us up reasonably well defensive line aside but then proceeded to massively bollox every mid game decision, the substitutes were laughable.
If your right about Kagawa from the left we've yet to see it in our shirt, certainly it's a confidence issue that's clear but it's been like this since he arrived, under Ferguson, under Moyes, he needs to man up if this is the case, life's to short to hide yourself away and I am convinced that he just does not have what it takes to be a big player at a big club, to much time has passed for his being a passenger to be a coincidence.
Swansea and Wigan play good football due to their style. It's a style you ask the players to play in, some might excel at it more than others but it isn't restricted to only the best teams in Europe with the best players.
Until we have a CM pairing of a high quality I don't want to consider the sacking of moyes.We are so fecking poor in this department and have been for a number of years and it is not Moyes who is to blame, partly yes as he has had two windows to address this but SAF must share some of it! If it is not sorted in the summer it will be difficult to defend Moyes but it will, I feel sure of that!!
Amazing, isn't it? We've spent more than 60m on a title-winning squad but apparently it's unreasonable to expect good football because we don't have the players for it.
I posted this earlier in the thread. It was hardly a ringing endorsement. The changes he points to tell you a lot. Under Martinez they're more patient and less direct. They're building play from the back whereas for us De Gea is hoofing it more.
Furthermore they are passing the ball more and the manager demands that they go out and dominate a game. We are dominated by bottom sides who come to OT and have the lion share of possession atm.
Under Martinez he says they aim to keep the ball, as it means you work less hard than the other team. "Keeping hold of the ball is not just about passing, it is about moving to find space and provide options". Moving into space. Such an alien concept for us atm because our movement is the so poor and it's not hard to see why we have regressed in our play and Everton are playing better football than they've ever played under Moyes. Finally the manager wants them to enjoy their football whilst our lads look frightened to deviate from the spread the ball out wide and cross plan.
It's hard to deny that football-wise Martinez has took them up a few notches whilst I don't see how anyone can argue we've done anything but regress under Moyes.
Anyone with access to James Ducker's latest article?
It seems some people genuinely believe that the players all got shit over the summer.
I think that he's low in confidence and rightly so. It was baffling to see him dropped after the Swansea match. It is happening all the time and of course he isn't confident anymore.
I think that BVB is a big club and he won two leagues there. Bayern weren't as good as now, but they were a team who went regularly in the final of UCL. He was by far the best player in the league in the second half of 2011-2012 season. And was watched in home by 80000 fans. Not exactly making it in a lower level. BVB were as good - if not better - than us.
Here I think is more mismanagement than anything else. Give him a run of games in his best position (and in a more attacking formation than this, and of course not hoof the ball to him cause he is small) and if he doesn't shine, then feck him. But concluding that he's not good enough and doesn't have on him without giving a chance, I don't think it is right. Even now, if you ask most of neutral fans about our best players, Kagawa will be one of those who they'll mention. I frequented Barca forum on the summer (because of Thiago/Cesc) and a lot of them rated him very highly. Klopp who is one of the best managers in the world rates him very highly. I have regularly watch him play for BVB and he was brilliant.
This player didn't turn to shit during the summer.
Anyway, he isn't the biggest problem we have now. As you said that defense setup was seriously laughable. What could have happened if they played 10 yards higher? Likely we would have controled the game a bit more. And Peter Crouch wouldn't suddenly become fast and punish us. Great tactical mistake that didn't make sense at all.
We've had Mata for 2 matches, Rooney, RVP and Carrick have missed a large chunk of the season
We didnt play good football last season, just effective
That doesn't mean that we couldn't have or that we shouldn't even try. Same goes for the injuries. And stop saying Rooney missed a large chunk of the season, it's ridiculous. He played in 26 games already, one more than Agüero for example. He was out of a grand total of 5 of our league games.
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