He's not getting sacked, and he's not going to quit.
Moyes So Far!
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As someone said before, if Fergie came back his coaching staff have all gone. The only one he could bring back is Phelan, Rene and Eric Steele now have jobs.
You've nailed the problem with him there. It's all well and good saying a manager has to improve, but with Moyes I get the impression to be successful here he's going to have to change his entire footballing philosophy, which just seems incredibly unlikely. It's like asking someone to simply alter their personality. They generally can't, and Moyes' habits and footballing ways aren't simply going to go away.
Giving 6 years makes it very difficult to sack him, I don't understand why the club shackled itself with this initial long contract. For stability appearances ?
He's not getting sacked before the end of season regardless of results imo. It'd be just too tough to get someone of quality in and I dont see us going the interim manager route.
Yes, to show our faith, trust and belief in him. As if he was going to attract the Real's and Barca's of this world.
I think it's so daft how a load of people on here are convincing each other that he's going to be sacked. Unless you completely ignore what Fergie said last week you'd know that the plans at present are to allow him more time to get things right. And by more time I have to assume that's closer to being years rather than days or weeks. That might not be what some people want to hear but there's absolutely nothing to suggest it isn't true.
I think theres a clause in it which says we don't have to pay off the remaining years if he fails to meet a certain point tally. Or that's what a few journos mentioned when he initially started.
Choosing him should have been enough in terms of faith and trust IMHO. What has he ever accomplished to deserve that kinda contract ? When we began to get linked with him as a possible replacement for SAF I felt bad and worried, the 6 years never made any sense to me.
First time I'm hearing of this, it changes things tbh.
Ridiculous thread!
I get that, and defeat against Fulham certainly isn't enough, the only way we can rid ourselves of him is some kind of capitulation for the rest of the season.
For me, the biggest problem here is Ferguson. The Glazers, most likely, are taking counsel from Sir Bobby and SAF first and foremost. Sir Bobby is, I think, a reasonable man, and open to discussing change if things don't look like working out and if it were in the best interests of the club. Ferguson, however, is a different matter. He has so much stock invested in Moyes, from choosing him, to being friends with him, to publicly standing by him, to his criticism of the sacking mentality, that his reputation stands to take a hit if the club seek a change either now or at the end of the season.
Like it or not, Ferguson is bigger than the club, and I can see him digging his heels in through personal pride.
Like it or not, Ferguson is bigger than the club, and I can see him digging his heels in through personal pride.
This whole 'football philosophy' argument is a tad premature in my opinion. Firstly, we currently have a team that was built by one manager to fit into his style of football that he had been playing for years. I look through our team and try to imagine dropping them players into a team that plays a different way, such as Barcelona or Dortmund, and I think many of them wouldn't be suitable. So how can we take these players and get them to play a different way? This takes time. People think we can just start playing a different way overnight and, to me, this is incredibly naïve.
Moyes has given insight into what he wants to do with the team and I do think it is what the fans want to see. Interchanging attackers, producing fluid football and pressing without the ball. I'm still prepared to give him time to try and achieve that, but it will take time. At the moment he seems to be trying to keep our current players within their comfort zone. He's trying to get them to reproduce what they have done under Fergie on the pitch, but for whatever reason it's just not working.
Moyes has given insight into what he wants to do with the team and I do think it is what the fans want to see. Interchanging attackers, producing fluid football and pressing without the ball. I'm still prepared to give him time to try and achieve that, but it will take time. At the moment he seems to be trying to keep our current players within their comfort zone. He's trying to get them to reproduce what they have done under Fergie on the pitch, but for whatever reason it's just not working.
I have my doubts about that if it's true he was the one who vetoed Mourinho.
So?, coaching staff come and go, they were not his coach staff for his entire 25 years.
Or we win all of these games.
We have been more than shite but let's not be starting to hope we lose in the wish it'll get Moyes the sack. Pathetic attitude (almost as pathetic as our football had been this season)
I won't be hoping we lose simply because I don't think we'd sack him even if we lost all those games.
United wouldn't sack a manager mid-season regardless of performances, Ferguson has hired the person and character for the long term benefit of the club. He will be given the chance, they've already backed him in the boardroom and the transfer market. He'd have to start acting a dick in the press or get into public problems with most of the players, I don't think either will be happening as he isn't Mourinho.
I think most people in football know this.
I think most people in football know this.
Take away the emotions, pride and stubbornness and we are left with what?
There is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing who suggest he's the right man for this job. I just can't see it. In my book he has already lost parts of the dressing room, that's extremely worrying. His tactic and substitution are more wrong then right. We don't have natural playing style, no identity. Our winning mentality is more or less gone. Our fitness is worse then ever and we still have to many injuries. But the most important thing is that we lose games we normally win.
To be straight forward. We lose and we play so bad it's painful to watch. We can't sack 10-15 players so what to do?
Do I want us to lose to get rid of Moyes. No! Hell no! But right now this is a one way road to football hell and the only way to change direction is to do something of importance. Sacking a manager is harsh but what is the alternative when we continue to underperform game after game?
There is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing who suggest he's the right man for this job. I just can't see it. In my book he has already lost parts of the dressing room, that's extremely worrying. His tactic and substitution are more wrong then right. We don't have natural playing style, no identity. Our winning mentality is more or less gone. Our fitness is worse then ever and we still have to many injuries. But the most important thing is that we lose games we normally win.
To be straight forward. We lose and we play so bad it's painful to watch. We can't sack 10-15 players so what to do?
Do I want us to lose to get rid of Moyes. No! Hell no! But right now this is a one way road to football hell and the only way to change direction is to do something of importance. Sacking a manager is harsh but what is the alternative when we continue to underperform game after game?
Has it really got to this?
It seems that people forgot that we also won trophies without last year's coaching staff. In the past we had Kidd, Mc Laren, Queiroz. When Brian Kidd left, I remember people saying Fergie is doomed without him and well...he survived quite well.
As for Rene, he was not very successful away from OT till now.. nor at Bronby nor at Fulham (although tbf it's too early to judge him on Fulham). What I dont like about him is his big mouth - he always find something sensational to say to the press.
http://www.hasmoyesbeensacked.com/
You know it's really really bad when these sites start to be created.
You know it's really really bad when these sites start to be created.
I don't think any United fan would rather we lose games just to see him out but since hes not winning them atm I see fans wanting him out
I don't think I can ever remember something which decided opinion and had the Caf up in arms as much as this.
Every channel of social media is littered with either Moyesout or keep the faith, etc. people are properly having it off at each other.
What ever side of the fence you are on there is going to be a lot of humble pie for many, many people to chew on when this current 'shit sandwich' is sorted.
Every channel of social media is littered with either Moyesout or keep the faith, etc. people are properly having it off at each other.
What ever side of the fence you are on there is going to be a lot of humble pie for many, many people to chew on when this current 'shit sandwich' is sorted.
Not as ridiculous as our performances and results this season.
There are quite a few who'd rather see us lose a game if it meant Moyes would be removed/leave. I don't see the logic in that because as long as we are in the race for fourth spot, every point is crucial. And if we don't get fourth, he'd probably be let go anyway.
Yeah.. It is just fans fecking around but put any other club in our current situation and we'd have the KRAP things going and laughing at how shit they are under that manager and hoping he stays because you couldn't see them improving under that manager.
No clue mate. Most here didnt want him in the first place, a 6 yr contract was just us shooting ourselves in the foot. Thing is, if he did great, he wouldnt have left anyways. Giving the 6yr contract only complicated things for us.
I always want us to win, obviously. I never hope we lose.
Sack Moyes, sell Fellaini.
Their comfort zone obviously isn't as comfortable as he thinks.
This is true... it was purely a demonstration of faith. In reality we are in almost unique position, where we could pretty much take on a manager on a rolling contract.
6 years was nothing more than a "look at us" statement aimed at the media. "Look how stable we are, aren't we wonderful giving this British manager a chance" etc etc. There was no other reasoning behind it. He should have been given a 3 year deal.
It seems philosophy is the new catchphrase around these parts. What philosophy did we play under SAF in his final 3 years?
And this is where I vehemently disagree. You, and there are many others, do our players a huge disservice. Van Persie would fit into any team. Januzaj would. As would Mata, Kagawa and Nani. Rooney would if played as an out and out striker. All of those players can pass the ball at speed. They all have good first touches and fine technique. What is it they exhibit that suggests they couldn't perform in a team that "interchanges attackers, produces fluid football and presses without the ball?" Fletcher can press the ball. Carrick and Fellaini are slightly more restricted, but liabilities they are not. All of what you say sounds fancy, but the reality is that David Moyes has done nothing to suggest he can create such a football team. Everton pressed well, but they weren't exactly Barcelona.
This "comfort zone" you speak of was often to the detriment of the majority of our players anyway. We won the league last season, however, the personal development of younger players was stunted and very, very few players were in good form. By exaggerating a system which already produced bad football, Moyes has only gone and exacerbated the issues. I met Sir Alex's retirement with a degree of positivity. I even thought Moyes could improve things. I'm no revisionist, the latter Ferguson era was one of ruthless efficiency. The football, however, was outdated and relied heavily on the brilliance of a few. There is an abundance of talent at United, and a host of players that can easily adapt to a more progressive game. Our best front four is Van Persie, Rooney, Mata and Januzaj. feck, do people realise how good that actually is? Beyond that, the likes of Nani, Welbeck, Kagawa, Hernandez and potentially Wilfried Zaha have all demonstrated that they are good players that are relatively adaptable. Beyond Valencia and Young, I'm not seeing many players that are inherently suited to this 442 we currently play, in the way you suggest. Who, really, is more suited to pumping it out wide and incessantly whacking it into the box?
I bet the performances are driving him insane. It's weird, people questioned Ferguson's tactics and teams all the time. That's part of football. But Moyes, well it's like some of the players aren't up for it and have lost that little spark you need to be a Manchester United player. That's part of the manager's job and you could say he needs time with the players but half a season and the progress isn't clear. The other strange thing is that Fellaini seemed to suffer the same thing.
Regardless of United's season, you have to feel for Moyes. The pressure on him is immense, if this was another manager at another club the media would be claiming he's sacked each week. Most people in football have backed him though, I think that's the influence of Ferguson / doing things the right way playing a part as you don't want another big club getting into the manager merry go round.
Regardless of United's season, you have to feel for Moyes. The pressure on him is immense, if this was another manager at another club the media would be claiming he's sacked each week. Most people in football have backed him though, I think that's the influence of Ferguson / doing things the right way playing a part as you don't want another big club getting into the manager merry go round.
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