Been avoiding saying anything for last 24 hours as I don't want to be reactionary.
There are many misguided viewpoints banded about for pro or con moyes.
ferguson was given time, so should moyes... The view here is that there is an inherent problem with new managers. Which is true, to an extent. However, ferguson did not take over a title winning side. Although, yes this title winning side is past its peak and was never going to be as good as last year, this doesn't excuse what is happening at all.
The fear is that we will turn into a club that hires and fires at the drop of the hat, ruining the stability that clearly helped fergie. Can't argue with that at all, but we have to accept that if the manager is not the right man, no amount of stability will bring success.
My view is that what we are seeing is too similar to chelsea under AVB. too many stories and rumours have come out regarding players' unhappiness, whether that be rvp's training, the general training scheme, lack of 'final third' training etc. All this shows (like chelsea) that the players are not happy paying under moyes. Now, this doesn't mean the players are right. Maybe it is so that they have been so spoilt under SAF and they cant accept having last years everton manager who has never won anything come with his everton back staff. Just because they may be WRONG to have that view doesn't mean it isnt there.
The one consistent aspect of our play this season has been just how slow it is. No pace, no speed. We get the ball, slow down to a stop, allow opposition to get in position, get forced to go down the wings, then cross to nothing.
There's no verve, no determination. All the players are sluggish, not providing options. Whenever they get the ball it looks as if they need that extra second yo compose themselves. There is no enjoyment, no confidence. Make no mistake, it is the job of the manager to fix this.
Again, this may not be moyes' fault. Its one of two things, either the players don't want to play for him, in which case i feel sorry for him as the is nothing he can do, or its simply that he doesnt have the ability. Personally I think its both but much more the former.
The fact is we need to stick our heads out of the sand. This magical blind 'patience' wont necessarily work. This team in its current state will not improve.
If its the fact that moyes and staff are nit good enough, then we need to get rid ASAP. That's obvious though.
If its the player's fault, then we need to wait a good two years to slowly gut this team and replace them with moyes' signings. Next summer may do a lot of that, but we'll need a good three or so transfer windows to do it. Meanwhile, all our main competitors will gave all strengthened too. Do all the moyes backers have that patience?
What if we can get a manager that the players instantly like and respect? We can still give that manager all the time in the world but we would have the team playing a lot better now. It sounds so simplistic I know, but just look at how much better city are this year with not THAT much different squad with a manager they dont hate. How the players feel about the manager and staff clearly has a massive impact on their performances, it doesnt excuse the players, but we cant ignore this factor (if its there...which I think it is)