Moyes So Far!

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He needs to play an attacking side and try to win the game by 3 or 4 goals at least. Improve our morale and confidence and kick on the season.

It's going to be very very telling if after a full week off he goes for the wrong side. He'll have one eye on the Arsenal game which is IMO a bad idea. There's 3 points available in each game and winning against Arsenal means sod all if we don't get 3 from this game.
 
Revan said:
To be fair, three digit posters are usually in support of Moyes. But as you said, they might be fans of other clubs and like us to continue with him.
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Who said anything about three-digit posters though? There are those who signed up at the same time as Weaste and have only 1K+ posts and suddenly they make an appearance. I am supporting Moyes but only up to a certain point, it is only fair. If I feel that he has gone beyond the point of no return then, I will indeed no doubt be in support of getting rid of Moyes and the rest of his assistants. There is no room for sentiment in football.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
@annihilate Now

Surely the Fulham result is irrelevant at this point? Win or lose we are pretty much fecked. I have little doubt that we will win one of our easiest games of the season but we will continue to drop points against teams for the rest of the season and finish out of the top 4.
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It's massively irrelevant - but really, I still think he should be given a chance to make top 4 whilst it still remains some form of possibility.

I've long said that he should go if he doesn't make top 4, so I'll stick by that assessment for now... though no, I don't think we will make top 4.
 
soapythecat said:
Does anyone else think he is getting a really easy ride in the press? AVB got fecking hammered for poor results and you would would like to think United have a larger pull than Spurs in the press (no offence Spurs fans), so how does Moyes not get the same level of criticism? Aside from a few damming articles, they all seem to be letting him off Scott free, presently. I can't work it out, because he's turned the club into a laughing stock - everyone wants to play us at OT as they can get 3 points.
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Absolutely. It must be because he's British. I have no idea why his face isn't slapped all over the back pages under the headline "LOL"

Every time I hear a discussion it's about the players. As if its not part of a managers job to first of all get the current players onside/improving/caring. Only in this job is the manager allowed a whole new fecking team regardless of how he performs. Best job in the world.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
Who said anything about three-digit posters though? There are those who signed up at the same time as Weaste and have only 1K+ posts and suddenly they make an appearance. I am supporting Moyes but only up to a certain point, it is only fair. If I feel that he has gone beyond the point of no return then, I will indeed no doubt be in support of getting rid of Moyes and the rest of his assistants. There is no room for sentiment in football.
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Usually the posters from a decade or so (who haven't been active and usually have only a few posts like a few hundreds or a thousand) are in favour of Moyes as far as I can see.

Where do you think is the point of no return? Relegation or 10 losses in a row.
 
soapythecat said:
Does anyone else think he is getting a really easy ride in the press? AVB got fecking hammered for poor results and you would would like to think United have a larger pull than Spurs in the press (no offence Spurs fans), so how does Moyes not get the same level of criticism? Aside from a few damming articles, they all seem to be letting him off Scott free, presently. I can't work it out, because he's turned the club into a laughing stock - everyone wants to play us at OT as they can get 3 points.
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Yes. For the reasons Jamie Carragher gave in his column 'Moyes is fighting the battle of Britain...All other home-grown managers need him to succeed at United'.

Moyes is the first Brit since Hughes got fired by City to get a big managerial job and if he fails he may well be the last. Our big clubs are foreign owned and the leadership couldn't give a fig which country their manager comes from so long as they guarantee success. Moyes is flying the flag for Britain now, trying to prove that the home grown managers should be given a shot when the big jobs come up. The press want him to succeed at that because it will leave the door open for talented British coaches in the future when vacancies appear at Chelsea, Arsenal etc.
 
soapythecat said:
I love this. I guess you are happy with the way we are playing and the direction we are going?
A lot of people aren't whiney, they are just expressing concern at the levels the team are reaching.
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I'm far from happy, but it's not the end of the world.
Steven Seagull said:
What exactly do you think people are whining about? Could it be 5 defeats in 8 this year? I'm not sure about this but usually the league champions don't play like a bunch of cnuts for 22 fecking league games. It wouldn't happen anywhere else and it shouldn't happen here. All this the United way guff needs to stop
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United way? When did I mention that? Moyes has more wins at this stage of his United career than Fergie and Busby, so it could be worse.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
So, I am not the only one who has noticed an influx of posters who haven't posted in years making a sudden appearance in the matchday threads? I am guessing that they are not genuine Manchester United fans, but opposition fans who joined making it look as though they are. They will be found out soon enough.
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Yup, awfully low post counts, account registered decade or so ago and were missing during good years. They do provide amusement though and modmins will be taking care of them if it goes out of control. So nothing much to worry.
 
Pexbo said:
He needs to play an attacking side and try to win the game by 3 or 4 goals at least. Improve our morale and confidence and kick on the season.

It's going to be very very telling if after a full week off he goes for the wrong side. He'll have one eye on the Arsenal game which is IMO a bad idea. There's 3 points available in each game and winning against Arsenal means sod all if we don't get 3 from this game.
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Yesterday his team selection was fine. Read the comments in the matchday thread from when the lineup was announced.
 
pocco said:
Yesterday his team selection was fine. Read the comments in the matchday thread from when the lineup was announced.
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A team that consists of Young isn't fine regardless of circumstances. It's shit.
 
pocco said:
Yesterday his team selection was fine. Read the comments in the matchday thread from when the lineup was announced.
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Aye, I said the same myself and his had was forced horribly. I think the issue is the changes he made though.
 
Goooose said:
I'm far from happy, but it's not the end of the world.

United way? When did I mention that? Moyes has more wins at this stage of his United career than Fergie and Busby, so it could be worse.
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Genuine question. Tell me one good reason you think Moyes will come good.
 
#07 said:
Moyes is to Man Utd what Souness was to the Scousers: He'll be allowed two mediocre seasons to undo two decades of success and leave us with a lesser squad and lesser ambitions than when he arrived.
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Yep. Dave should be sacked, but probably won't be.

Instead of being required to prove he's the right manager, he's going to need to demonstrate conclusively he's the wrong one. Which means he'll inflict the kind of damage on the club that may be difficult to recover from before being sent on his way. Nobody ever accused football people of being smart.

The danger is the highly competitive nature of the league. If we're knocked off course, and assuming FFP doesn't knobble them, City may have established a stranglehold on the Premiership by the time we get back on track. Chelsea can also spend big, and a resurgent Arsenal and Liverpool could make up a formidable top four. It may not simply be a question of a few fallow years.
 
Revan said:
A team that consists of Young isn't fine regardless of circumstances. It's shit.
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Read the comments in the matchday thread instead of being lazy. It only takes 5 minutes. On the first page after the teamsheet was published, the comments were positive. There was one comment about replacing Young with Januzaj, but apart from that nothing negative whatsoever.
 
Goooose said:
I'm far from happy, but it's not the end of the world.

United way? When did I mention that? Moyes has more wins at this stage of his United career than Fergie and Busby, so it could be worse.
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Has anybody said it's the end of the world?

Do you remember the circumstances in which SAF took over? Or Busby? Of course it could be worse, the question being asked is if it would be worse or better with the players and resources we have today, if we had a different manager.

Everyone's trying to make sense of it. Some don't see how Moyes can't turn it round. Most of us are still looking for the light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe you can see it, in which case, congratulations - you can come back and say, I told you so.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
Read the comments in the matchday thread instead of being lazy. It only takes 5 minutes. On the first page after the teamsheet was published, the comments were positive. There was one comment about replacing Young with Januzaj, but apart from that nothing negative whatsoever.
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People are desperately trying to be as optimistic as possible. Team wasn't fine though. Young starting isn't ever fine. Smalling instead of Rafael isn't fine. We saw the height argument that was total bullshit. Rafael dealed good with it.

Anyway the biggest problem wasn't the team but the stupid tactics (like playing with a very deep line against Peter slow as feck Crouch and the Welbeck sub which was ridiculous.
 
Revan said:
People are desperately trying to be as optimistic as possible. Team wasn't fine though. Young starting isn't ever fine. Smalling instead of Rafael isn't fine. We saw the height argument that was total bullshit. Rafael dealed good with it.

Anyway the biggest problem wasn't the team but the stupid tactics (like playing with a very deep line against Peter slow as feck Crouch and the Welbeck sub which was ridiculous.
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Playing Jones was typical Moyes. A reactive manager. Rafael should have started as he's our best right back. Stoke had 1 point from 18 and we're worrying about them...
 
Revan said:
People are desperately trying to be as optimistic as possible. Team wasn't fine though. Young starting isn't ever fine. Smalling instead of Rafael isn't fine. We saw the height argument that was total bullshit. Rafael dealed good with it.

Anyway the biggest problem wasn't the team but the stupid tactics (like playing with a very deep line against Peter slow as feck Crouch and the Welbeck sub which was ridiculous.
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The playing deep thing yesterday, I just don't understand at all. Stoke don't have a fast front line and our defence easily had the pace to cope with anything hey could run at us, so why oh why didn't we try and clost the gaping cap between midfield and the forward line? Against Stoke of all teams, we could have done this comfortably yesterday.
Clueless management.
 
shaggy said:
Playing Jones was typical Moyes. A reactive manager. Rafael should have started as he's our best right back. Stoke had 1 point from 18 and we're worrying about them...
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Exactly. We seem to be the only team who makes our tactics based on the team we play against. That's alright if we are playing Barca, but not if we are going to play Stoke where they are in a big crisis.
 
pocco said:
He earned his place with a good performance against Cardiff. Unfortunately seems to suffer the same issues as our other players whereby they perform well one game, only to perform like shit the next time.
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Geez, having a decent match after 2 years doesn't earn you a place in the first team. Well, usually it doesn't. But it does on Valencia and Young case who are the only players to be consistently played in their preferred positions. They are getting rewarded for being consistently shit.
 
Revan said:
Geez, having a decent match after 2 years doesn't earn you a place in the first team. Well, usually it doesn't. But it does on Valencia and Young case who are the only players to be consistently played in their preferred positions. They are getting rewarded for being consistently shit.
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I don't rate Young at all, but I don't see much wrong with him being given a chance to build on a good performance.
 
Goooose said:
I'm far from happy, but it's not the end of the world.

United way? When did I mention that? Moyes has more wins at this stage of his United career than Fergie and Busby, so it could be worse.
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Exactly. Beats me how people can criticise Moyes when he's actually had a great start to his United career. We've been terrific, delighted to have him instead of Ferguson whose record over the same amount of games 28 years ago was inferior.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Genuine question. Tell me one good reason you think Moyes will come good.
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There are none. Those saying it will are going on blind optimism.

Using SAF was given time argument is quite frankly a ridiculous point to make.

To put an end to this whole SAF left Moyes a bag of shit argument:

1. The players do not believe they are going to win each week.

2. The fans don't believe we are going to win each week.

3. The manager does not believe we are going to win each week.

Now, any manager in the history of sport would not succeed with the above. The problem is its his responsibility to breed that confidence, that will to win, and ultimately that expectation. None of that has shit to do with SAF...its Moyes, and him alone.
 
jojojo said:
Has anybody said it's the end of the world?

Do you remember the circumstances in which SAF took over? Or Busby? Of course it could be worse, the question being asked is if it would be worse or better with the players and resources we have today, if we had a different manager.

Everyone's trying to make sense of it. Some don't see how Moyes can't turn it round. Most of us are still looking for the light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe you can see it, in which case, congratulations - you can come back and say, I told you so.
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Of course it's a fecking end of the world by our standards, if anyone had told that we'd be 7th with no chance of CL football playing football worthy of Sam Allardyce's Bolton a year ago he'd have been locked up in a mental institution. It seemed impossible to make us this bad.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Genuine question. Tell me one good reason you think Moyes will come good.
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Because it's proven science that managers come good if given time. It is bound to happen every single time because it happened with Ferguson. If Liverpool had kept Hodgson they'd be champions now.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Genuine question. Tell me one good reason you think Moyes will come good.
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I don't know if he'll fail or succeed, but I said when he was appointed that we need to give him at least 2 seasons to settle into the job. Our squad is shit. We have a good keeper and good attacking players, but the defence and midfield pathetic. If Rooney and van Persie were fit all season we'd be in the top 4, but they weren't, so we're not. Tactically, Moyes seems to fail every time, but it's not entirely his fault.
 
Goooose said:
I don't know if he'll fail or succeed, but I said when he was appointed that we need to give him at least 2 seasons to settle into the job. Our squad is shit. We have a good keeper and good attacking players, but the defence and midfield pathetic. If Rooney and van Persie were fit all season we'd be in the top 4, but they weren't, so we're not. Tactically, Moyes seems to fail every time, but it's not entirely his fault.
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I am so sick and tired of reading this! Do Everton Swansea Stoke Sunderland have better squads than us?? cause Moyes cant even beat them forget about top 4 clubs.
 
Goooose said:
I don't know if he'll fail or succeed, but I said when he was appointed that we need to give him at least 2 seasons to settle into the job. Our squad is shit. We have a good keeper and good attacking players, but the defence and midfield pathetic. If Rooney and van Persie were fit all season we'd be in the top 4, but they weren't, so we're not. Tactically, Moyes seems to fail every time, but it's not entirely his fault.
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It's amazing how you're willing to say that our squad who has won us multiple titles including the one last year is shit yet will defend a manager who has got them playng this badly without a wink. Players need a leader to play well and they don't have one in their current manager, quite clearly.

Rooney and van Persie were fit yesterday and we got beaten by Stoke.
 
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