We'll win our last two games of the season and Moyes will begin his post match interview bearing his shit eating grin, "Well I knew we'd get the rub o' the green eventually." "David, you finished eight..." "We played well." "So, where do you go from here?" "Unlucky, we played well, due a bit of luck." "David?"
Moyes So Far!
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I dont really even care about results to be honest, its the direness. I reckon half, probably two thirds of the Moyes outers would be sated by an attempt to play good football. An improvement in play, even a Kamikaze Newcastle 96 one would satisfy most of the naysayers (probably) myself included. Its why we didn't hate Big Ron, despite him being an awful, awful person, and why the world still tolerates the continuing presence of 'Arry Redknapp & Terry Venables.
We're just fecking .....mueeeeeeh....There's not even a word for it. It's like a combination of anitquated and uninspired and pathetically dying by a roadside but more paint dryingly awful with no glimpse of future promise. Whats the word for that?
At least Keegan gave it a go. I'd love it if we did that. Love it.
We're just fecking .....mueeeeeeh....There's not even a word for it. It's like a combination of anitquated and uninspired and pathetically dying by a roadside but more paint dryingly awful with no glimpse of future promise. Whats the word for that?
At least Keegan gave it a go. I'd love it if we did that. Love it.
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The word you're looking for is "shite". It's absolute fecking shite.
Sent to me from Everton, David Moyes oh my word
I keep telling myself we don't know shit. That if we did, we'd be managers. That somethings going on that we can't see. That that old 'Arry Redknapp video where he sticks up for a floppy haired boy band Frank Lampard and owns a ridiculous fan and by extension every outside sniper/keyboard warrior/cab driver/cnut is always relevant. But even I don't believe it. Sometimes shit is just obviously wrong.
*As an aside, when that video came out, I'd have loved to have been that West Ham fans mate. I'll bet he's never won an argument again in his life...ever.
*As an aside, when that video came out, I'd have loved to have been that West Ham fans mate. I'll bet he's never won an argument again in his life...ever.
A young wunderkind European trophy winning manager stumbling whilst finding his feet early in his career? Ah, that would be grand. Right now the comparisons are Taylor & Hodgson. Only both of them have won a league!
The more ridiculous it gets the more I want him to turn it around. Cos it'll make a much better film.
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You know, I often feel like there are plenty of us who could be pretty good managers if we got the chance to become one/sacrificed loads of other things to take the risk that you might become one. With some managers (ex Tim Sherwood), I genuinely feel like he's just a fan like us who randomly got his chance because he was a professional player, but doesn't actually know anything when it comes to tactics and all that shit.
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I was watching the game with a mate today, it was fascinating to see him attempt to apply this logic. Every sentence after I pissed and moaned about something started with "Well, we don't know, maybe...". By 60 minutes his face was contorting into some reptilian type shit, if he was a politician I could have had a 50-page thread on the David Icke forums, easy. After the Hernandez substitution he said "Yeah... feck, man".
Your mate knows shit!!...Does he not realise we got to the byline....8 TIMES!!!
Its an odd one. There are some things which everyone just does know. Like how Hoddle needed to pick Beckham and Owen in France 98 (weird random example I know)...Everyone said it, everyone knew it. He resisted, we lost, played them next game, we won, everyone went "yeah we knew that"
I feel like our wing play is like this. I just cant understand how no one close to Moyes sees it. Its been shit since about the 3rd game. He can't NOT know it. He's either got a really weird super dope tactic that relies on playing 2/3rds of a season with shit 80s basic wing play, or he's just doing it to piss everyone off.
This is why I cut AVB slack, he's clearly a big stats nerd. He used to compile all those huge dossiers for Jose. I can pick a team, sure, but I can't be fecked to watch old Stoke videos to figure out a counter stategy. I'd just be like 'Arry. Motivational talk, vague positional advice (not mandatory) let them get on with it while I check the form for the 3:15 at Lingfield.
I feel like our wing play is like this. I just cant understand how no one close to Moyes sees it. Its been shit since about the 3rd game. He can't NOT know it. He's either got a really weird super dope tactic that relies on playing 2/3rds of a season with shit 80s basic wing play, or he's just doing it to piss everyone off.
This is why I cut AVB slack, he's clearly a big stats nerd. He used to compile all those huge dossiers for Jose. I can pick a team, sure, but I can't be fecked to watch old Stoke videos to figure out a counter stategy. I'd just be like 'Arry. Motivational talk, vague positional advice (not mandatory) let them get on with it while I check the form for the 3:15 at Lingfield.
In all honesty, you really think Phil Neville is going to step up and tell him?...And speaking of wingers, Giggs has been keeping quiet and fairly distant recently.
Yeah but....The record breaker
If they end up winning, people will slate Moyes even further and bang on about how he shouldn't have been chosen over Meulensteen.
Oh I don't know anymore...Least we got to the 40 point mark early. Safety first etc etc
I think "moyes" is the world you're looking for. It's not a word yet, but it will eventually become synonymous with mind-bending awfulness in the English language. Like quisling.
Well said as usual, Mockney. We're meh to watch, to see so much talent look so listless and clueless is soul-sucking.
Hard to disagree with anything written there.
I've been a supporter of Moyes on here since it became apparent he was struggling. I tried to see the positives (what little there were) and look on the bright side.....
I've run out of any positivity now as I'm lost to how poor this side play football. We are a disgrace to everything we've built over the last 20+ years. Problem for us all is there is nothing we can do. We can moan until we are blue in the face but it won't change a thing. I'm not sure being vocal at games is the way forward as we should be behind the team.
I just can't fathom out how we have not shown ANY progress st all.
In a way the only consolation of being so shit this season is that we won't have Europa league distraction next year.
fecking woeful season by a manager, who I think has list the dressing room and more fans by the minute.
I've run out of any positivity now as I'm lost to how poor this side play football. We are a disgrace to everything we've built over the last 20+ years. Problem for us all is there is nothing we can do. We can moan until we are blue in the face but it won't change a thing. I'm not sure being vocal at games is the way forward as we should be behind the team.
I just can't fathom out how we have not shown ANY progress st all.
In a way the only consolation of being so shit this season is that we won't have Europa league distraction next year.
fecking woeful season by a manager, who I think has list the dressing room and more fans by the minute.
Tell me you're jokin with this?
Because if you did, then you're gonna have to look at this page & put that into perspective of some of the other posts..
I just read his comments. He's completely clueless as to how to manage a top football club.
I'm not sure he's a good judge of what "playing well" for a big club even means.
I'm not sure he's a good judge of what "playing well" for a big club even means.
You're mistaken if you think i cant take a bitta flack. Thats life mate - bring it. Some people will disagree with your opinions & others will have been on the jungle-juice on a Saturday night chucking loads of personal insults about, thinkin they're being the big man - something which Niall has highlighted not to do just the other day..
Folk need to take a chill-pill & just see how the season pans out. The turn-coats on here is gettin epic. I friggin slagged the hell out the fact we didnt sign atleast 1 CM, a CB & LB when there was upgrades available, and i got called a "whinger" & other "not a real fan" terms blah blah blah..
I accepted i was whingin, but with good reason - no friggin upgrades to lift the squad & get that 4th spot is fecked up management, but we need a bitta calm at the moment. It was a shit result & so frustratin watchin that dire brand of football. Clueless by both the players & the management.
The players are gettin away with playin shit with most United fans & takin it all out on Moyes - thats wrong. Many of them were shit last season aswell & the season before that. Carrick, Rafa, DDG, RVP, Giggs were our stand out players last season - thats 5 out of a squad of 25 or so. Rooney was poor by his standards, but has carried the team this season.
We could have lost yesterdays game being on a winning roll of 10 games. Its feckin Mark Hughes ffs - he hates us & always gets his teams super-focussed against us. He probably had mad feck-off Hollywood wind fans to feck our game up.
Supporting United has always been a rollercoaster, so why are we expecting any different with us at the moment?!
Moyes & his staff are out of their depth & it drives me mental, but they wont be sacked any day soon, so folk better start gettin used to it..
Charlie Adam is a cnut also - i'd say Glaston agrees with me on that!
25/1 on sky bet to be the next manager that gets shown the door.
That's throwing money away. No chance he gets sacked.
Yeah....
Someone needs to mail that to Moyes. Or perhaps make a huge flag to put up on the Stretty.
fecks sake.
He'd obviously knows it. But it's probably all he knows. That's his kind of football I reckon.
So damn forward thinking.
You know, I'll settle for 5th or 6th right now if there were at least signs of betterment for the future. That's my biggest worry. There's nothing good on offer now and nothing good on the horizon either.
I'd still give him time to the end of the season. But I realize that I'm in an a minority which is getting even smaller by the week.
Yup, I'm still holding in there too, but it is just mindboggling how fecked-up it has become. Any spark of pomise is immediately extinguished in the subsequent game. If it looked from here on out like things were going to improve that would be enough, but there's no sign. None at all.
I wish I knew what was wrong. I only know it shouldn't be this wrong.
We got to the byline 4 or 5 times so it's all good.
We have had more attempted crosses in the league than anybody else and we rank 20th in terms of attacks through the middle.
20th. Below Stoke; below Fulham; below West fecking Ham.
20th.
Jesus wept.
20th. Below Stoke; below Fulham; below West fecking Ham.
20th.
Jesus wept.
Shaun Custis on sunday supplement blames some part of this failure that Fergie is watching the games.
And funnily enough, when we scored yesterday, it was a very simple play between Mata and Van Persie through the middle.
I don't really get it, even if our indications from manager are that they have to play literally everything through the wings - which I don't really believe - are our players too fecking thick to see that it's simply not working? I mean, crossing or playing any high ball against fecking Stoke is just bound to fail, even if we got a NBA team playing for us. This is what I don't get, we've had trio of Rooney, RVP and Mata on the pitch, our best CM passer of Carrick and still failed to weave anything through the middle.
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It's because we don't set up to maximise how they could link up. If one of them was just ahead of carrick and then you had mata drifting inside and then the other striker on the defenders you could see some nice play where we work them in to good areas, but we focus on the two strikers getting in the box and then looking for a cross. We don't open up the other team or pull players out of position, whether the cross is low or aerial the other team has got plenty of people there to do deal with it.
Oh they can feck off with that shit as well. Absolute nonsense.
Has Fergie to much power at the club?
He seems to be the voice of the club at the moment and I don't like it, I wanted him to leave the club completely last summer, while he's there people are going to still see him as the boss, this can only have a negative effect on the new manager, no matter who it is or will be.
Rightly or wrongly that's going to happen. Fergie is one of the biggest legends at the club, he is ranked by many as the greatest manager of all time and rightly so, however if the club is to move forward he should have no power, yes take on board any advise, but the end of the day it's comes down to how the manager is doing in terms of results and playing style, that determines if he is to keep his job or not, who appointed him shouldn't even come into consideration.
He seems to be the voice of the club at the moment and I don't like it, I wanted him to leave the club completely last summer, while he's there people are going to still see him as the boss, this can only have a negative effect on the new manager, no matter who it is or will be.
Rightly or wrongly that's going to happen. Fergie is one of the biggest legends at the club, he is ranked by many as the greatest manager of all time and rightly so, however if the club is to move forward he should have no power, yes take on board any advise, but the end of the day it's comes down to how the manager is doing in terms of results and playing style, that determines if he is to keep his job or not, who appointed him shouldn't even come into consideration.
10 corners and a number of freekicks in crossing position. Crosses from open play are probably half that number
For me, when you look back at e expectation when Moyes took over - before the summer and this season - it was essentially a CL position in the league, a decent showing in Europe and some indication of a long term gameplan.
To be fair, we are doing fine in Europe so far, but the other two objectives (probably the most important ones) we have been absolutely atrocious. It's fine to give a manager time but they have to show that there is light at the end of the tunnel. The players seem to have no confidence.
My issue which I have said before, is I think Moyes was hired for the wrong reasons. He was hired on Fergies recommendation because he (Moyes) is a very similar character to Ferguson. Unfortunately that isn't really grounds to hire someone - when a great player retires you don't just look for the most similar, lower calibre player you can find, you get another top player with their own strengths and weaknesses, that was what we needed. Ferguson was a one off, he came, he built an empire and because of that, he succeeded.
Moyes has come in with the empire already built. He has a completely different task to the one Fergie faced when he took over all those years ago, and he simply isn't suited for it in my eyes. A character like Mourinho would have come in, steadied the ship and either left his successor with a much easier task than the one Moyes has, or would've stayed for the longer term to continue our success.
Just as we say players like Kagawa aren't suited to the team (which I think is garbage), Moyes simply wasn't suited to this job in my book, and it would have been the same if a fresh faced, 25 years younger Alex Ferguson took over last summer. The challenge is different, we needed a different manager not just "The Next Fergie".
To be fair, we are doing fine in Europe so far, but the other two objectives (probably the most important ones) we have been absolutely atrocious. It's fine to give a manager time but they have to show that there is light at the end of the tunnel. The players seem to have no confidence.
My issue which I have said before, is I think Moyes was hired for the wrong reasons. He was hired on Fergies recommendation because he (Moyes) is a very similar character to Ferguson. Unfortunately that isn't really grounds to hire someone - when a great player retires you don't just look for the most similar, lower calibre player you can find, you get another top player with their own strengths and weaknesses, that was what we needed. Ferguson was a one off, he came, he built an empire and because of that, he succeeded.
Moyes has come in with the empire already built. He has a completely different task to the one Fergie faced when he took over all those years ago, and he simply isn't suited for it in my eyes. A character like Mourinho would have come in, steadied the ship and either left his successor with a much easier task than the one Moyes has, or would've stayed for the longer term to continue our success.
Just as we say players like Kagawa aren't suited to the team (which I think is garbage), Moyes simply wasn't suited to this job in my book, and it would have been the same if a fresh faced, 25 years younger Alex Ferguson took over last summer. The challenge is different, we needed a different manager not just "The Next Fergie".
Please please please PLEASE tell me you made that up.
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