Moyes So Far!

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Cal? said:
He's certainly the worst manager to have managed the reigning champions in the history of the EPL, I don't think there's any doubt about that.
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If you compare him with Hodgson he has been worse IMO. He had a far better team, we finished first while LFC finihsed 7th the year before and spend around 65m while Hodgson didn't spend IMO, IIRC.

Moyes replacing a legend gets even by the problems LFC had with it's owners.

And yes, Moyes has been worse than the likes of AVB and Scolari so far.
 
Dominos said:
It's not happening. It seems like there's a lot of strength in depth in terms of quality teams in Europe this year. There's 3 from our league alone, before we get onto the top 3 in Spain, 2 in Germany, PSG.
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Well, if we do beat Olympiakos, at least we are likely to have progressed further in the CL than City & Arse.
 
Revan said:
Why? They have been advocated that British managers are still good for such a long time, and now a British manager took one of the big clubs (well Rodgers too but Liverpool have been a nbit shit for the past few years). They will of course protect him. If Pellegrini or Mourinho would have been so shit, the media would have killed them. Just look at AVB, who despite having a worse team was higher than Moyes on the table.

He is the darling of the media at the moment. If it wasn't for him being British, they would have called him the worse manager to have managed a top club in the history of EPL.
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We need to get AVB in. The press hates him.

That'll get a proper "Us against the world" siege mentality going.

(Plus lets face it, he's better than Moyes at least...)
 
Revan said:
Why? They have been advocated that British managers are still good for such a long time, and now a British manager took one of the big clubs (well Rodgers too but Liverpool have been a nbit shit for the past few years). They will of course protect him. If Pellegrini or Mourinho would have been so shit, the media would have killed them. Just look at AVB, who despite having a worse team was higher than Moyes on the table.

He is the darling of the media at the moment. If it wasn't for him being British, they would have called him the worse manager to have managed a top club in the history of EPL.
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I agree they would have called for him to go had he been foreign so maybe your right about the criticism.

Still, i can see the tide turning. Miguel Delaney has had a pop at him today and i expect the Sundays will follow.

The guy just isn't cut out for this job.
 
Shane88 said:
We need to get AVB in. The press hates him.

That'll get a proper "Us against the world" siege mentality going.

(Plus lets face it, he's better than Moyes at least...)
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We should get Di Matteo and try to fluke the CL.
 
If he could motivate the team some bit, it would be a start. When a goal goes in, we look deflated and "here we go again". Even in past seasons when we played terribly shite, you always felt we had goals in us. Not now though. We lack originality currently.

Players have let him down, including the subs coming on. But with our heavy touches, sloppy play, it stems from no confidence. Hands thrown up in the air, no one willing to stand up and be counted. They look like they don't want to be on the pitch. I just don't think Moyes has it in him to lift the players, and give us inspiration.

The going is tough right now. Moyes just doesn't have it in him to gee up the team. We all knew it was going to be a change in times, but 8 loses in the league is a pisstake.
 
I wasn't necessarily opposed to appointing Moyes originally. I thought maybe he could make the step up to a big club. Now though it's not looking like its going to happen. While our team is not a great United side, we do have the players to be playing much better than we are now. We should look for someone else in the summer, but who would we bring in?
 
Shane88 said:
We need to get AVB in. The press hates him.

That'll get a proper "Us against the world" siege mentality going.

(Plus lets face it, he's better than Moyes at least...)
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Not a high standard to be fair.

AVB for a couple of weeks to create the siege mentality, and then Di Matteo to win the UCL.

feck me, how the hell he did it? He must be the shittiest manager to have won it. And had a very unimpressive group of players. If there are really miracles in universe, that was one of them.
 
We're ropey in the league because Moyes is reserving his entire tactical repertoire for the Champions League. Right?

He's going to stroll to the final, then dick all over the unfortunate finalists. Fellaini with the winner.
 
moyesmyhero said:
I wasn't necessarily opposed to appointing Moyes originally. I thought maybe he could make the step up to a big club. Now though it's not looking like its going to happen. While our team is not a great United side, we do have the players to be playing much better than we are now. We should look for someone else in the summer, but who would we bring in?
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If we sack him, you should keep your username. It is fair to do that.
 
It's obvious he's well and truly out of his depth. It's the same fecking shit every single match. Even when we manage to dig out a win, it's normally a fecking shit performance.

Get him out to feck now, what is the point in keeping with him when it's clear to see he's a fecking useless cnut at this level. Unfortunately, it's never going to happen. I'd love to see him replaced now with Hiddink. Even if he did a Chelsea job and only stayed until the end of the season.

Louis van Gaal is available next season too if we want him.
 
Revan said:
feck me, how the hell he did it? He must be the shittiest manager to have won it. And had a very unimpressive group of players. If there are really miracles in universe, that was one of them.
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I'd agree with that, though Avram Grant was one square yard of slippery turf away from taking that crown. Avram Grant!
 
Enigma_87 said:
To be fair I think that sacking him in the middle of the season will make us no favor. He should finish the season and then United should look for better option. However we don't seem to improve on the contrary we get even worse. At this rate we can effectively be outside the top 4 in the mid February.

If CL is important for us next year then I think sacking him now is the most obvious decision as a new manager(even caretaker) will bring lift to the team. If the Glazers can sacrifice top 4 finish and CL next year in terms of profit than they should let him finish the season.

However with Moyes I think 90% we're out of top 4. Things have to improve massively in the remaining 3 months so that we can catch a break and mount a serious challenge. Also teams above us should lose points and also we should also beat teams that are in the the 1-9 position in the league to stand a chance.

BTW interesting enough Moyes record so far against top 1-9 in the league:

1 win 3 draws 6 losses.

And we have to go to Soton, Newcastle, Everton, Arsenal and host City and Pool. Sadly I can't see us getting more than 6 points out of those matches in our current state.
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you think changing the manager would give us a lift and may elevate us into the top 4 and you don't think Moyes is capable of that. but you think we should let Moyes finish the season anyway? Why, out of interest? Are you hoping to see some improvement from Moyes and then give him another chance next season?
 
moyesmyhero said:
I wasn't necessarily opposed to appointing Moyes originally. I thought maybe he could make the step up to a big club. Now though it's not looking like its going to happen. While our team is not a great United side, we do have the players to be playing much better than we are now. We should look for someone else in the summer, but who would we bring in?
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Pochettino for me, and he can bring Luke Shaw with him too! :drool:
 
Sally Cinnamon said:
It's obvious he's well and truly out of his depth. It's the same fecking shit every single match. Even when we manage to dig out a win, it's normally a fecking shit performance.

Get him out to feck now, what is the point in keeping with him when it's clear to see he's a fecking useless cnut at this level. Unfortunately, it's never going to happen. I'd love to see him replaced now with Hiddink. Even if he did a Chelsea job and only stayed until the end of the season.

Louis van Gaal is available next season too if we want him.
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Madness not to go for him, although he may get a better offer from a CL club. Could also try nab Simeone, tempt Heynckes, and knowing Madrid, we should be working on the basis Ancelotti will be available too unless he wins the treble.
 
I think Benitez would be better for us then Moyes. I feel dirty for a
Saying that :(
 
Timdbro said:
I don't know if I'm quite so frightened about the players he might buy — Fellaini was an odd one, but I think most of us reckoned he could give us something we lacked at the time we bought him; maybe he still will. Mata doesn't bother me at all, on the contrary. And the sort of midfielders we were supposed to be interested in all sounded pretty promising (Kroos, Vidal, etc., we all know the names).

I'm a lot more concerned about the other decisions he's been making/will make about the squad. Fabio's gone instead of Buttner, and there's lots of speculation about Kagawa, Nani and Chicha leaving too. And, while that's just speculation, those are the players that haven't been getting as many chances as Young, Valencia and Welbeck, so it's not completely unjustified speculation. Those are just 3-4 positions, but if they're the kind of decisions he's likely to make then I'm worried.
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Moyes should do the honourable thing and just quit immediately.

Clearly we have a B grade manager trying to do an A grade job.
 
Dominos said:
Madness not to go for him, although he may get a better offer from a CL club. Could also try nab Simeone, tempt Heynckes, and knowing Madrid, we should be working on the basis Ancelotti will be available too unless he wins the treble.
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That sounds like a technical area dream team. Sack Moyes. Get all of the above, with Ole Gunnar earning his stripes by laying out the kit.
 
Dominos said:
Madness not to go for him, although he may get a better offer from a CL club. Could also try nab Simeone, tempt Heynckes, and knowing Madrid, we should be working on the basis Ancelotti will be available too unless he wins the treble.
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Big slug head Louis van G did an interview there a while back saying he was leaving the Holland job after the World Cup and that he would be interested in taking another job then if it was a premier league club. I'd be all over that. It's absolutely never going to happen though, I just can't see us letting Moyes go anytime soon.
 
The trouble is we're not even playing good football.

Moyes is the manager and hence in the results business. He's not getting the results on which he should be judged, but there's not even any signs of greater things to come. We play horrible football and while there's a few holes in the squad, there's quite a few amazing players on there as well.

If you are a manager in any business your superiors won't listen to why your team isn't performing. It's in the job description to get your team to perform to an acceptable level. We were champions just last year and the whole team bar a few players is simply under performing and it's not on them but on him, fair or not.

I wonder what the cost of buying out his ridiculously long contract would be and if this is one reason why they (have no choice but to) continue to put their trust in him.
 
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Sally Cinnamon said:
Big slug head Louis van G did an interview there a while back saying he was leaving the Holland job after the World Cup and that he would be interested in taking another job then if it was a premier league club. I'd be all over that. It's absolutely never going to happen though, I just can't see us letting Moyes go anytime soon.
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I'd take van Gaal any day of the week. He'd be a big improvement on our current manager. But like you said, is he cut from the same cloth as Ferguson and Busby? Which is what the club announced Ferguson's successor would be. The club needs to get with the times and bury this romanticism.
 
Adebesi said:
you think changing the manager would give us a lift and may elevate us into the top 4 and you don't think Moyes is capable of that. but you think we should let Moyes finish the season anyway? Why, out of interest? Are you hoping to see some improvement from Moyes and then give him another chance next season?
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Because we can't get the manager we need now midway through the season. We would get in a caretaker and apart from Fergie noone knows the team so he would need a bit of time to settle in.

I don't think we can realistically expect an improvement with Moyes. He's just not the right type of material to be United manager. And this is not based on 30 odd games managing United but based on managing an Everton side for more than 10 years.

Big Sam had 4 consecutive top 8 finishes with a Bolton side and 1 League cup final. He has comparable credentials for United's job.

Alas we're in position that we can't really get an upgrade at the moment so he may as well finish the season. That being said if we continue with that downward spiral putting Fred the Red on the bench would be an upgrade.
 
I'd let Moyes see out the season for lack of a better option. Having said that, I do think Giggs would inspire them more as manager so I'd happily give him the job on an interim basis.
 
Honestly, we need a new manager more than we need a new midfielder/winger/full back/centre half. Even if we signed someone of Vidal or Kroos' ilk, what's even going to change? This was touched on in the article linked on the last page, which is basically spot on btw, but it's something I was talking about earlier with a mate - the players we have are clearly far better than the complete and utter shite being served up match after match, I have no faith in Moyes even if he brings in the top calibre of players.
 
Any other club would've sacked him, we have to insist on staying loyal to diminishing the club value though.
 
My biggest worry with regards to Moyes is the motivation factor. Fergie commanded respect because for so long, he'd won things. The players sat in the dressing room were sat in shitty nappies when the boss was lifting trophies. They were in awe of him. We can't reproduce that straight away with someone like Moyes. We either need to give him time to create his own aura, or turn to someone who's been there and done it. The ready made version. You could say if we were going for option B then why bother with Moyes in the first place?
 
If Moyes was sacked now. Giggs wouldn't be caretaker.

It would most likely be McClair.
 
Sally Cinnamon said:
Honestly, we need a new manager more than we need a new midfielder/winger/full back/centre half. Even if we signed someone of Vidal or Kroos' ilk, what's even going to change? This was touched on in the article linked on the last page, which is basically spot on btw, but it's something I was talking about earlier with a mate - the players we have are clearly far better than the complete and utter shite being served up match after match, I have no faith in Moyes even if he brings in the top calibre of players.
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Agreed. Our players are far and beyond a better quality than our manager. And this issue will remain regardless of who we sign. Unless he keeps signing players like Fellaini.
 
Good point, and one that doesn't get discussed enough. If not Moyes then who? I also have to hold out the hope that Moyes will pull a rabbit out a hat with some kind of turnaround... But it's getting harder. As you say, the summer is the time to take stock and consider our options.
 
Adebesi said:
Good point, and one that doesn't get discussed enough. If not Moyes then who? I also have to hold out the hope that Moyes will pull a rabbit out a hat with some kind of turnaround... But it's getting harder. As you say, the summer is the time to take stock and consider our options.
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I refuse to believe we can't attract a better manager than Moyes. My concern is that the club seemed hell bent on appointing someone cut from the same cloth as Ferguson and Busby, which is a manager that no longer exists. feck, even Rodgers has proved a good appointment at Liverpool.
 
Adebesi said:
Good point, and one that doesn't get discussed enough. If not Moyes then who? I also have to hold out the hope that Moyes will pull a rabbit out a hat with some kind of turnaround... But it's getting harder. As you say, the summer is the time to take stock and consider our options.
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Van Gaal, Bielsa, Hidding, Heyckness, Prandelli, Martinez, Pochetino, Simeone, Laudrup, Ole to name a few.

All * of them will be available in the summer if we make the right offer.

* Simeone maybe not.
 
Sally Cinnamon said:
Honestly, we need a new manager more than we need a new midfielder/winger/full back/centre half. Even if we signed someone of Vidal or Kroos' ilk, what's even going to change? This was touched on in the article linked on the last page, which is basically spot on btw, but it's something I was talking about earlier with a mate - the players we have are clearly far better than the complete and utter shite being served up match after match, I have no faith in Moyes even if he brings in the top calibre of players.
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Ive been saying all day that we could have had Ronaldo and messi up front and nothing would change. This team has no clue what its doing - and the manager is responsible for that
 
2 Man Midfield said:
My biggest worry with regards to Moyes is the motivation factor. Fergie commanded respect because for so long, he'd won things. The players sat in the dressing room were sat in shitty nappies when the boss was lifting trophies. They were in awe of him. We can't reproduce that straight away with someone like Moyes. We either need to give him time to create his own aura, or turn to someone who's been there and done it. The ready made version. You could say if we were going for option B then why bother with Moyes in the first place?
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This is something that baffles me. For a club that is synonymous with success and prides itself on 'winning at all costs' we employ a manager who has never tasted success. I think van Persie said Moyes was astounded that the players didn't celebrate winning the Community Shield.

That in itself sums it up. How will Moyes motivate our players to succeed and garner the respect of the players, when he has no experience of winning himself? The new manager needed to be a strong character with success to his name IMO, someone players are revered too. Moyes is literally the polar opposite of what a club in our circumstance should hire.
 
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