Moyes So Far!

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Kid Cunto said:
I'd take van Gaal any day of the week. He'd be a big improvement on our current manager. But like you said, is he cut from the same cloth as Ferguson and Busby? Which is what the club announced Ferguson's successor would be. The club needs to get with the times and bury this romanticism.
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Van Gaal has managed 3 of the biggest clubs in the world where he has won titles and been successful in Europe. He's available in the summer. feck me pink its a no brainer.

As I say though, moyes will definitely be here for a good while yet, fergie's man, 6 year deal etc.
 
LonelyFire said:
Ive been saying all day that we could have had Ronaldo and messi up front and nothing would change. This team has no clue what its doing - and the manager is responsible for that
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Absolutely, and we have so many fans on here making their muppet XI and stating how it would compete or even better Manchester City. Not with our current coaching set-up, tactics and manager.
 
Glanville95 said:
This is something that baffles me. For a club that is synonymous with success and prides itself on 'winning at all costs' we employ a manager who has never tasted success. I think van Persie said Moyes was astounded that the players didn't celebrate winning the Community Shield.

That in itself sums it up. How will Moyes motivate our players to succeed when he has no experience himself and garner the respect of our players with what he's achieved. The new manager needed to be strong character with success to his name IMO, someone players are revered too. Moyes is literally the polar opposite of what a club in our circumstance should hire.
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Pretty much. Fergie and Moyes, and their respective eras are a mismatch. SAF was a young, upcoming but promising manager, and we were a sleeping giant. He became the greatest manager of all time, and the club went on that journey with him. With him retiring, and the club already at the top, the parallels aren't there with Moyes. We needed someone to match where the club was/is.
 
Revan said:
Van Gaal, Bielsa, Hidding, Heyckness, Prandelli, Martinez, Pochetino, Simeone, Laudrup, Ole to name a few.

All * of them will be available in the summer if we make the right offer.

* Simeone maybe not.
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Assuming you mean Hiddink, then they are the only suitable candidates out of that list. Bielsa would be my pick. If nothing else, it'd be entertaining.
 
Spiersey said:
Assuming you mean Hiddink, then they are the only suitable candidates out of that list. Bielsa would be my pick. If nothing else, it'd be entertaining.
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Five them.

Having followed Serie A, Prandelli is certainly better than Moyes. He basically did with Fiorentina what Moyes did with Everton (though with a much better style of football) and has done a very good job for Italy (bar the humiliation on the final).

The others aren't proven but are young and have a lot of potential.

Bielsa/Van Gaal for a couple of years (to make a solid team) and then someone else for long term (Ole) would be probably the best choice. Wouldn't complain for any of them though.
 
Forget Rafa.

I'd take Harry for crying out loud. Atleast he gets his teams to play attacking football.
 
Delighted we got to the byline 8 or 9 times though...
 
How many managers have stayed at a top club for more than 15 years straight and cleaned up trophies left right and centre? Busby, Fergie and Shankly obviously. Wenger and Clough have the time span but lack a consistent trophy haul throughout their careers. There might be a select few in the other big leagues, but they are a ridiculously rare breed.

What are the odds that the first manager we bring in after losing the greatest ever turns out to be another 1000+ total games, tens of trophies, once-in a lifetime type manager? There's been a just handful of managers in the history of football who have done anything remotely close to what Sir Alex did here, and that's being generous to the other managers. Giving Moyes time and expecting him to eventually come good is like expecting to win the lottery twice in a row with the same numbers. It just doesn't happen, and thinking it does is overly romantic and naïve. Successful teams in today's football are the ones who continuously change managers and keep bringing in fresh ideas to build on the foundations at the club, like Mourinho has done at Chelsea and Pep has done at Barca and Bayern. Stability is overrated. There are more successful clubs out there who change managers every 2-5 years than there are successful clubs who stick to the same manager for 10+ years. Heck, the two most successful clubs in Europe at this very moment (Barca and Bayern) have had a combined total of 12 managers in the last decade.

"Stability = success" is not necessarily true. The right manager is what brings success, not the wrong manager for several years. We can remain successful even if we bring in new managers every now and then. If we keep giving the wrong guy more time than he deserves because of some old-fashioned idealism things will start going downhill really quickly, as we can see from our current season.

Call me a cynic, but if I knock my head against the wall and it hurts, I won't keep doing it to see if the pain eventually goes away. Plenty of clubs have sacked a manager who was wrong from the start and come out looking better because of it. I think that's becoming the case here too. The only question is whether it happens now or in May. The way this season is going, I can't see any sense in keeping him longer. We're in a downward spiral and need to abort. Moyes isn't doing anything on a fundamental footballing level to change our trajectory, and all money in the world won't change a thing until he realizes that the players aren't the problem.
 
Spiersey said:
Assuming you mean Hiddink, then they are the only suitable candidates out of that list. Bielsa would be my pick. If nothing else, it'd be entertaining.
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I love Bielsa but he's far too insane to ever be given a top job at a big club.

The reality is that the 6 year contract given to Moyes is surely a pretty clear indication that the board are taking a long-term view, and wont be predisposed to knee-jerk decisions regarding the manager. Barring an absolute catastrophe (eg 10 losses in a row, Moyes' relationship with the dressingroom breaking down irreconcilably etc) my guess is he will have at least another 12-18 months to fix things.
 
Red Stone said:
How many managers have stayed at a top club for more than 15 years straight and cleaned up trophies left right and centre? Busby, Fergie and Shankly obviously. Wenger and Clough have the time span but lack a consistent trophy haul throughout their careers. There might be a select few in the other big leagues, but they are a ridiculously rare breed.

What are the odds that the first manager we bring in after losing the greatest ever turns out to be another 1000+ total games, tens of trophies, once-in a lifetime type manager? There's been a just handful of managers in the history of football who have done anything remotely close to what Sir Alex did here, and that's being generous to the other managers. Giving Moyes time and expecting him to eventually come good is like expecting to win the lottery twice in a row with the same numbers. It just doesn't happen, and thinking it does is overly romantic and naïve. Successful teams in today's football are the ones who continuously change managers and keep bringing in fresh ideas to build on the foundations at the club, like Mourinho has done at Chelsea and Pep has done at Barca and Bayern. Stability is overrated. There are more successful clubs out there who change managers every 2-5 years than there are successful clubs who stick to the same manager for 10+ years. Heck, the two most successful clubs in Europe at this very moment (Barca and Bayern) have had a combined total of 12 managers in the last decade.

"Stability = success" is not necessarily true. The right manager is what brings success, not the wrong manager for several years. We can remain successful even if we bring in new managers every now and then. If we keep giving the wrong guy more time than he deserves because of some old-fashioned idealism things will start going downhill really quickly, as we can see from our current season.

Call me a cynic, but if I knock my head against the wall and it hurts, I won't keep doing it to see if the pain eventually goes away. Plenty of clubs have sacked a manager who was wrong from the start and come out looking better because of it. I think that's becoming the case here too. The only question is whether it happens now or in May. The way this season is going, I can't see any sense in keeping him longer. We're in a downward spiral and need to abort. Moyes isn't doing anything on a fundamental footballing level to change our trajectory, and all money in the world won't change a thing until he realizes that the players aren't the problem.
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I like you, you're okay in my books.
 
Kevin said:
Can see Fulham snatching a draw at Old Trafford.
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Do you want a medal for your foresight? If your prediction is wrong will you feck off?
 
Spiersey said:
Assuming you mean Hiddink, then they are the only suitable candidates out of that list. Bielsa would be my pick. If nothing else, it'd be entertaining.
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He means Hidding.
 
Kid Cunto said:
I like you, you're okay in my books.
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Must admit though, before this catastrophe I was definitely of the opinion that we absolutely HAVE to give our new manager time. Clearly bollocks like, although in fairness even in my worst nightmares I couldn't have imagined Moyes' reign to be so terrible.
 
Kevin said:
Can see Fulham snatching a draw at Old Trafford.
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I don't think that should be even in the realms of possibility. Have you seen Fulham play this year? They are a terrible, terrible side.
And have like 12 straight defeats at OT...
 
Sally Cinnamon said:
Must admit though, before this catastrophe I was definitely of the opinion that we absolutely HAVE to give our new manager time. Clearly bollocks like, although in fairness even in my worst nightmares I couldn't have imagined Moyes' reign to be so terrible.
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I too was all for given him time, it seems I was as naive as the club in appointing him. I did stress that I'd expect to see some sort of progression if he was to be given the time though, people seem to forget he has to earn the right to be given time. He went out and bought our record signing and we see absolutely no sign of progression. Sure, some of the players are bang average... But I fear the manager is too. I agree with the sentiment that our players are of a higher quality to our manager, which is a major issue.
 
Kid Cunto said:
I too was all for given him time, it seems I was as naive as the club in appointing him. I did stress that I'd expect to see some sort of progression if he was to be given the time though, people seem to forget he has to earn the right to be given time. He went out and bought our record signing and we see absolutely no sign of progression. Sure, some of the players are bang average... But I fear the manager is too. I agree with the sentiment that our players are of a higher quality to our manager, which is a major issue.
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Remember how in the summer, we all said "Well, he's known for his fitness regime. He'll get the likes of Anderson fit and we'll be in peak condition"..........Ha yeah :lol:
 
Kid Cunto said:
I too was all for given him time, it seems I was as naive as the club in appointing him. I did stress that I'd expect to see some sort of progression if he was to be given the time though, people seem to forget he has to earn the right to be given time. He went out and bought our record signing and we see absolutely no sign of progression. Sure, some of the players are bang average... But I fear the manager is too. I agree with the sentiment that our players are of a higher quality to our manager, which is a major issue.
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Nonsense. The players have been cack. The fact that folk have been blamin Moyes for every loss is feckin braindead & blind. Sure last season's champions have been widely regarded as average but we had RVP & Fergie more importantly.. Its not a great squad - deal with it. Moyes is feckin up also.

Its just one big massive feckity feck-up that world-class players weren't brought in the summer & no immediate upgrades brought in January!

Jesus Weeps...
 
.Rossi said:
Remember how in the summer, we all said "Well, he's known for his fitness regime. He'll get the likes of Anderson fit and we'll be in peak condition"..........Ha yeah :lol:
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Yeah exactly, I was very optimistic of Moyes. I knew we wouldn't have a Ferguson like return from him but feck me, we're worrying about scrapping top four. I did not expect this.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Nonsense. The players have been cack. The fact that folk have been blamin Moyes for every loss is feckin braindead & blind. Sure last season's champions have been widely regarded as average but we had RVP & Fergie more importantly.. Its not a great squad - deal with it. Moyes is feckin up also.

Its just one big massive feckity feck-up that world-class players weren't brought in the summer & no immediate upgrades brought in January!

Jesus Weeps...
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How can the players perform well if they aren't put in a system that enables them to do so? It's the managers job to get them to play well together. You can't simply put out 11 players and say do your thing (which to be honest would probably be better then right now). This isn't sunday league football, you need to have good tactics and make your team play quickly, press the opposition and play the players in their proper positions, and use the talented ones at that, not have Valencia and Young as your first choice wingers. Is it any wonder that apart from Januzaj, all of our players who improved under him are pretty much the harder workers who rely more on their physical aspects, and the more technical players, the ones who are quality on the ball, have struggled in comparison to last season?
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Nonsense. The players have been cack. The fact that folk have been blamin Moyes for every loss is feckin braindead & blind. Sure last season's champions have been widely regarded as average but we had RVP & Fergie more importantly.. Its not a great squad - deal with it. Moyes is feckin up also.

Its just one big massive feckity feck-up that world-class players weren't brought in the summer & no immediate upgrades brought in January!

Jesus Weeps...
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It's not a great squad, but I don't think anyone can argue that Moyes is as same level a manager as the likes of van Persie, Mata, Rooney, Carrick, Rafael, Vidić, Evra and de Gea are as players. Even our shite players like Cleverley and Büttner have won the Premier League, something Moyes hasn't one iota of an idea of how to compete for.
 
Everything we need to know is open for everybody to see. The results speak for itself and right now we only wait for the people on charge to accept that they made the wrong appointment and correct it so we can do better.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Nonsense. The players have been cack. The fact that folk have been blamin Moyes for every loss is feckin braindead & blind. Sure last season's champions have been widely regarded as average but we had RVP & Fergie more importantly.. Its not a great squad - deal with it. Moyes is feckin up also.

Its just one big massive feckity feck-up that world-class players weren't brought in the summer & no immediate upgrades brought in January!

Jesus Weeps...
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Is it feck ya mad cnut ye! The squad isn't the greatest, obviously like. But feck me, 7th place in February, Christ on a bike. Being in the top 4 should be the absolute minimum Moyes should be getting out of these players, tbh it should be top 3.

Playing the same awful football match after match, managers fault more than anyone else.
 
Sally Cinnamon said:
Is it feck ya mad cnut ye! The squad isn't the greatest, obviously like. But feck me, 7th place in February, Christ on a bike. Being in the top 4 should be the absolute minimum Moyes should be getting out of these players, tbh it should be top 3.

Playing the same awful football match after match, managers fault more than anyone else.
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Is there an interpreter that knows spastic that can give me one grammatical clue what this post means ?
 
gasmanc said:
Is there an interpreter that knows spastic that can give me one grammatical clue what this post means ?
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On no account is this true, you insane nincompoop! This assembly of football players is not of the highest caliber, most certainly. Please indulge me, seventh place in February, incredible. Being placed within the top four should be the complete and utter minutest that ginger cnut should be producing from the players at his disposal, to be honest it should be top three.

Performing identical dreadful football match after match, managers fault more than anyone else.
 
Kid Cunto said:
On no account is this true, you insane nincompoop! This assembly of football players is not of the highest caliber, most certainly. Please indulge me, seventh place in February, incredible. Being placed within the top four should be the complete and utter minutest that ginger cnut should be producing from the players at his disposal, to be honest it should be top three.

Performing identical dreadful football match after match, managers fault more than anyone else.
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Gasmanc still won't have a clue what you're on about, the big mongy cnut! What a spastic!!
 
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