We are not going to get 4th with Moyes in charge, and we're certainly not going to win the CL. Let's try to save this season.
Moyes So Far!
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We are not going to get 4th with Moyes in charge, and we're certainly not going to win the CL. Let's try to save this season.
The season is over. The right time for Moyes sacking (like any top club would have done) was after the Newcastle game, which means that it would have given the new manager the time to make a signing or two. Now we should aim to save next season. Sacking him on May will be a great first move.
Unfortunately the only opinion that mattered was SAF's. So far it looks like he has seriously overrated his final signing. Talked him up as something special, but ultimately he has failed to live up to that initial billing.
At least he is wearing a suit to every game.
Well, either way, get the new manager in NOW to and be ready for the summer, no more messing about in the Summer window debacle.
Clearly Fergie was referring to facebook/forums/twitter also
Putting aside any thoughts of trophies I just don't see us playing decent football under him. Literally.
Well he has shown himself to be a smothering influence upon the team.
Moyes should be judged like all managers are in world football, results. If he doesn't get us in the Top 4 (our absolute minimum expectation) then to hold onto him because of "the United way" is gambling when you don't need to. We laugh at clubs that sack managers for finishing 2nd or 3rd and rightly so but this is not in anyway comparable to sacking a man that takes a league winner to 5th or 6th.
If someone like Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Madrid, Barca, Bayern etc finished outside of CL qualification despite having a title winning squad with 65+ million additions to it and they kept their manager "because" we would laugh at them too. We are one of the top clubs in the world and I really hope we fecking act like one when it comes to being ruthless in our quest for glory because I honestly fear the longer we keep this "wait and see" attitude the harder it will be to break back into the very top bracket again.
If someone like Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Madrid, Barca, Bayern etc finished outside of CL qualification despite having a title winning squad with 65+ million additions to it and they kept their manager "because" we would laugh at them too. We are one of the top clubs in the world and I really hope we fecking act like one when it comes to being ruthless in our quest for glory because I honestly fear the longer we keep this "wait and see" attitude the harder it will be to break back into the very top bracket again.
im afraid today was the day that once and for all, Moyes was finally exposed as being totally out of his depth. his interview after is of a man who is completely deluded. how on earth can this man be respected by his players.
people talked about the damage the Glazers would do...Moyes is going more, in a fraction of the time.
people talked about the damage the Glazers would do...Moyes is going more, in a fraction of the time.
I'm beginning to feel that it is time to pull the plug similar to what Bayern did when they had Klinsmann in charge. Find someone to see out the season and start looking to next year.
I wanted him to succeed, but it just isn't working out.
I wanted him to succeed, but it just isn't working out.
Can't see it happening though. After so many public reaffirmations by SAF regarding the 'time' his man will be given, sacking him now will be not only confirmation the club believes SAF made a mistake, but it would also suggest an obvious lack of faith in his overall judgement that Moyes can get it right in the end.
Be damaging and very embarrassing for SAF should the club so publicly disregard his opinion and sack his man against his wishes. It would surely cast doubt over any potential influence behind the scenes in the future too i would suspect. SAF is far too stubborn to admit he fecked up so early on, and i doubt anyone within the club will have the nuts to take him on, so it probably means we will stick with Moyes for far longer than necessary just because SAF won't hold his hands up and admit he got it wrong. I can see Moyes getting one more season after this one unless we are relegated.
To be fair, I don't care anymore what SAF thinks. I hope that Glazers overrules him.
He made a bad decision based on incorrect requirements, and if the Glazers overrule him and he isn't happy, so be it.
As he has said many times, no-one is bigger than the club.
I think you're right though. That was what I hope to happen, not what I think it will be. Sir Alex will buy Moyes another year and then we'll see if Moyes can manage to waste it too. The big worry is if things will stop after it or we'll still hope that Moyes will go from zero to hero.
To be fair I think that sacking him in the middle of the season will make us no favor. He should finish the season and then United should look for better option. However we don't seem to improve on the contrary we get even worse. At this rate we can effectively be outside the top 4 in the mid February.
If CL is important for us next year then I think sacking him now is the most obvious decision as a new manager(even caretaker) will bring lift to the team. If the Glazers can sacrifice top 4 finish and CL next year in terms of profit than they should let him finish the season.
However with Moyes I think 90% we're out of top 4. Things have to improve massively in the remaining 3 months so that we can catch a break and mount a serious challenge. Also teams above us should lose points and also we should also beat teams that are in the the 1-9 position in the league to stand a chance.
BTW interesting enough Moyes record so far against top 1-9 in the league:
1 win 3 draws 6 losses.
And we have to go to Soton, Newcastle, Everton, Arsenal and host City and Pool. Sadly I can't see us getting more than 6 points out of those matches in our current state.
It's not unrealistic that we will lose them games with how we play....14 losses? Christ, imagine that?
I'm not trying to be negative but it's very realistic
I've seen enough to answer that, if he gets another season, things will only be worse.
Our better squad players will be sold, our best players will want out with 2 seasons out of the CL...
Meanwhile Young and Valencia will get new contracts and we'd still be lumping balls into the box and hoping Van Persie grows 5 inches and becomes Bierhoff.
That is the problem. In theory a summer should make things better. In practice - from what we have seen how Moyes evaluates his player - it will likely make them much worse and make a very difficult mission for Moyes's replacements. Why people want Moyes another season is beyong me. Masochists.I've seen enough to answer that, if he gets another season, things will only be worse.
Our better squad players will be sold, our best players will want out with 2 seasons out of the CL...
Meanwhile Young and Valencia will get new contracts and we'd still be lumping balls into the box and hoping Van Persie grows 5 inches and becomes Bierhoff.
They would've been retarded then. Carrick had vacated midfield, replaced by Fletcher.. Nothing could be more logical.
Why havent the Glazers said anything? How much power and influence does Fergie have at the top?
I think we can all agree that Moyes will not get the sack this season. If that is the case, he needs help...big time. Not from Round, neville etc. He needs a number two like Queroz (sp), mclaren etc. Getting rid of the entire backroom staff, in hindsight, is what has cost him dearly I feel.
It's fecking depressing the state of affairs we're in. I feel for Moyes, I really do, but It's so obvious he's not the right man for the job and is out of his depth. It's not his fault - you can't blame him for taking the United job. So should the blame go to the people who wanted him here in the first place?
I think we can all agree that Moyes will not get the sack this season. If that is the case, he needs help...big time. Not from Round, neville etc. He needs a number two like Queroz (sp), mclaren etc. Getting rid of the entire backroom staff, in hindsight, is what has cost him dearly I feel.
It's fecking depressing the state of affairs we're in. I feel for Moyes, I really do, but It's so obvious he's not the right man for the job and is out of his depth. It's not his fault - you can't blame him for taking the United job. So should the blame go to the people who wanted him here in the first place?
Imagine if this fecker somehow fluked us a Champions League win?
I daren't even dream.To be fair, we could/should beat Olympiakos, we could get a fortuitous draw in the Quarters (although it would require an upset in the other R16 games)... Suddenly, we're in the semis and only 3 games away from the top prize
Except for Newcastle i can see us losing all those games. I think the back room staff are costing us too.
To be honest man, none of us thought Moyes had that sort of money in his bank account to make said purchase.. Had to be the Glazers..
very true!
Still, i don't think moyes was behind this. Hes on thin ice. A few more like today and he will be out the door come the summer.
Comments like "i don't know what we need to do to win" does not help him one bit. Is he even listening to himself? Im surprised the press are going sp easy on him
Of course. And those that are keeping him in a job currently. But Fergie and Bobby are immune to criticism on here.
To be fair, we could/should beat Olympiakos, we could get a fortuitous draw in the Quarters (although it would require an upset in the other R16 games)... Suddenly, we're in the semis and only 3 games away from the top prize
Do you honestly think we'll beat olympiakos? We've lost to Sunderland, Swansea and stoke ffs.
To be fair, we could/should beat Olympiakos, we could get a fortuitous draw in the Quarters (although it would require an upset in the other R16 games)... Suddenly, we're in the semis and only 3 games away from the top prize
I honestly cannot see us beating any of the other group winners in the QF.
If Drogba somehow knocks out Chelsea and gets himself suspended for the QF, then maybe we can make the SF.
If we somehow manage to lose all those games it's most certainly bottom half finish. However I can't imagine being that bad really. I think we can beat Pool at home and Newcastle away, but that's kinda optimistic the way we play now...
Sadly, I really can't see it....I want to, but cant
If they haven't watched us in the league and do a Leverkusen, we might have a chance.
I agree with you and all but, fecking hell that is utterly depressing reading that....This is how far we've fallen? Considering we were talking about doing Madrid this time last year
Why? They have been advocated that British managers are still good for such a long time, and now a British manager took one of the big clubs (well Rodgers too but Liverpool have been a nbit shit for the past few years). They will of course protect him. If Pellegrini or Mourinho would have been so shit, the media would have killed them. Just look at AVB, who despite having a worse team was higher than Moyes on the table.
He is the darling of the media at the moment. If it wasn't for him being British, they would have called him the worse manager to have managed a top club in the history of EPL.
Nah, he meant no-one else is bigger than the club Revan!
His ego, his arrogance and his stubborn determination have played such a huge part in lifting us and then keeping us at the pinnacle of the game. How ironic should those very same traits now prove to be the most significant and negative contributor to the depth of our fall!
Madrid? If we somehow get past Olympiakos and draw Madrid (or Barca or Bayern), I'd be worried about a CL record defeat over 2 legs the way we're playing right now.
I think he's making a huge mistake taking training himself. If he can't adapt himself to lead a group of attacking players, or he's not canny enough to make the football a bit more clever or anything other than this dross then he needs help, right now.
Exactly!!....Considering we were talking about thumping them last year, this is mighty fall when we are now worried about getting beat by Olympiakos
I made a bet back in may that United would win the CL and PL. Take it I've lost that 5 quid then, yeah?
I don't know if I'm quite so frightened about the players he might buy — Fellaini was an odd one, but I think most of us reckoned he could give us something we lacked at the time we bought him; maybe he still will. Mata doesn't bother me at all, on the contrary. And the sort of midfielders we were supposed to be interested in all sounded pretty promising (Kroos, Vidal, etc., we all know the names).
I'm a lot more concerned about the other decisions he's been making/will make about the squad. Fabio's gone instead of Buttner, and there's lots of speculation about Kagawa, Nani and Chicha leaving too. And, while that's just speculation, those are the players that haven't been getting as many chances as Young, Valencia and Welbeck, so it's not completely unjustified speculation. Those are just 3-4 positions, but if they're the kind of decisions he's likely to make then I'm worried.
I'm a lot more concerned about the other decisions he's been making/will make about the squad. Fabio's gone instead of Buttner, and there's lots of speculation about Kagawa, Nani and Chicha leaving too. And, while that's just speculation, those are the players that haven't been getting as many chances as Young, Valencia and Welbeck, so it's not completely unjustified speculation. Those are just 3-4 positions, but if they're the kind of decisions he's likely to make then I'm worried.
He's certainly the worst manager to have managed the reigning champions in the history of the EPL, I don't think there's any doubt about that.
I'd still make us slight favourites, yes.
As I said, we'd require an upset in the other last 16 games to get a team shit enough for us to beat in the quarters.
It's not happening. It seems like there's a lot of strength in depth in terms of quality teams in Europe this year. There's 3 from our league alone, before we get onto the top 3 in Spain, 2 in Germany, PSG.
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