Moyes So Far!

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Everyone is angry and upset and rightfully so. But I think a lot don't understand just how tough it is in wind like that. I mean the wind dictated 10 yard passes on the ground, it's impossible to play. Doesn't matter how good a player you are, if you are unable to play a direct ball along the ground without it being affected by the wind, it's going to be an uphill battle. And lets face it, that suits Stoke.

Again, this isnt defending Moyes but this is one game where we do have to look at it in isolation a bit. Same problems are still there and need to be addressed but I would love some on here to experience playing in that wind. It brought both teams to the same level from the first minute.

No excuses, they are professionals and should have matched Stoke in the fight (not saying we didn't put in) but it's Stoke's type of game, not United's.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
Everyone is angry and upset and rightfully so. But I think a lot don't understand just how tough it is in wind like that. I mean the wind dictated 10 yard passes on the ground, it's impossible to play. Doesn't matter how good a player you are, if you are unable to play a direct ball along the ground without it being affected by the wind, it's going to be an uphill battle. And lets face it, that suits Stoke.

Again, this isnt defending Moyes but this is one game where we do have to look at it in isolation a bit. Same problems are still there and need to be addressed but I would love some on here to experience playing in that wind. It brought both teams to the same level from the first minute.

No excuses, they are professionals and should have matched Stoke in the fight (not saying we didn't put in) but it's Stoke's type of game, not United's.
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Arsene Wenger, is that you? :wenger: ;)
 
Today was crazy unlucky and should have gone a different way. I still don't agree with a lot of the criticism laid on Moyes but now he's got Rooney, RvP, Mata and Carrick if the next five or so games don't improve I'll be worried.

He's had circumstances to blame till now, including today, we need to see progress.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Sure, I'm just thinking to the future now and am grateful that Moyes hasn't managed to bring in too many of 'his own players', which would then be a burden on the new manager in the summer.
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It's just wishful thinking, Mike. I have no doubts Fergie was speaking for the club when he said that he has their full backing. You'll be seeing in next Christmas with Moyesy unless we utterly implode (even more so) between now and then.
 
Brophs said:
It's just wishful thinking, Mike. I have no doubts Fergie was speaking for the club when he said that he has their full backing. You'll be seeing in next Christmas with Moyesy unless we utterly implode (even more so) between now and then.
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The next match is Fulham at home, which we should easily win, even in this form. After that we have:

Arsenal (A)
Crystal Palace (A)
Olympiakos (A)
West Brom (A)
Liverpool (H)
Olympiakos (H)
West Ham (A)
City (H)

Not many easy games in there, and I can see the implosion you mention coming up.
 
Smores said:
Today was crazy unlucky and should have gone a different way. I still don't agree with a lot of the criticism laid on Moyes but now he's got Rooney, RvP, Mata and Carrick if the next five or so games don't improve I'll be worried.

He's had circumstances to blame till now, including today, we need to see progress.
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What was so crazy unlucky? Our only good chance (except the goal) was when Rooney hit the post.

Injuries or not, you can't blame the luck if you create two chances on 103 minutes against the mighty Stoke.
 
Commentator today said we haven't rescued a single point in the last 10 minutes of a match this season. Bit of a mentality change for us if that's true.
 
If we were in the bottom half of the table it'd give them something to think about but I think that's what it would take. 12th or 13th and we'd probably let him go in the summer. Hopefully it won't come to that.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
The next match is Fulham at home, which we should easily win, even in this form. After that we have:

Arsenal (A)
Crystal Palace (A)
Olympiakos (A)
West Brom (A)
Liverpool (H)
Olympiakos (H)
West Ham (A)
City (H)

Not many easy games in there, and I can see the implosion you mention coming up.
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Arsenal (A) Loss
Crystal Palace (A) Draw
Olympiakos (A) Draw
West Brom (A) Draw
Liverpool (H) Loss
Olympiakos (H) Win
West Ham (A) Draw
City (H) Loss
 
.Rossi said:
Arsene Wenger, is that you? :wenger: ;)
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I remember playing against United once at Carrington and they called it off due to the wind, it was unplayable. It was the same as against Stoke. Again, no excuses like Arsene, it was the same to both teams and we should have dealt with it better. However, you can't blame Moyes for a player hitting a pass over the sideline because the wind took it.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
I remember playing against United once at Carrington and they called it off due to the wind, it was unplayable. It was the same as against Stoke. Again, no excuses like Arsene, it was the same to both teams and we should have dealt with it better. However, you can't blame Moyes for a player hitting a pass over the sideline because the wind took it.
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Nope...But I can blame him for the set up tactics and substitutions of the team as today was not an isolated incident
 
Brophs said:
It's just wishful thinking, Mike. I have no doubts Fergie was speaking for the club when he said that he has their full backing. You'll be seeing in next Christmas with Moyesy unless we utterly implode (even more so) between now and then.
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I can't see what Moyes could do for us to genuinely fire him. I mean it. We've trapped ourselves in a corner here. Give the man that truly didn't deserve the job 6 years and then stand by him as every move becomes retarded by the game.

QUIT PLAYING 4-4-2, IT DOESN'T feckING WORK.

Pathetic that he highlighted we got to the byline 8 or 9 times like it was some sort of an achievement.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
The next match is Fulham at home, which we should easily win, even in this form. After that we have:

Arsenal (A)
Crystal Palace (A)
Olympiakos (A)
West Brom (A)
Liverpool (H)
Olympiakos (H)
West Ham (A)
City (H)

Not many easy games in there, and I can see the implosion you mention coming up.
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I think with the way this season has gone, this is as tough as it gets for us. We have basically lost every meaningful and 'tough' away game this season. We should beat Fulham at home, yeah. But then we will most likely lose to Arsenal, at best draw with Palace (Pulis is doing a great job there), lose to Olympiakos, lose to West Brom (post-CL hangover). Can't see us beating Liverpool with the way they are playing (draw at best) and IF (big if) we're then not qualifying against Olympiakos I think Moyes might be done. West Ham away will be a carbon copy of today (Nolan heading down to Carroll and vice versa) and then there is... City.

In short, I genuinely believe we're not going to see more than 2-3 victories in our next 10 games. Confidence is shot and the league is over for us IMO.
 
Revan said:
Exactly. People are talking that Moyes will get rid of the deadwood in the summer but it looks more likely than in the summer we would lose Hernandez, Kagawa and Nani (and add Fabio who already was sold) and still have Young, Buttner and Valencia. Basically we'll lose some of the really good squad players we have but continue to play some of the shit ones.
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I would like to see some evidence of coaching a few players to be better than they were, instead we've got young players going in the other direction save for Januzaj, much of which would have occurred naturally anyway.

Why shoudl he be allowed to gut the squad when he has demonstrating such lamentable care of the one inherited?
 
Revan said:
Exactly. People are talking that Moyes will get rid of the deadwood in the summer but it looks more likely than in the summer we would lose Hernandez, Kagawa and Nani (and add Fabio who already was sold) and still have Young, Buttner and Valencia. Basically we'll lose some of the really good squad players we have but continue to play some of the shit ones.
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Not to worry. Evra, Vidic and Ferdinand will need replacing too. And probably one of Rooney/RVP as well.
 
B20 said:
On the bright side, your club is the sort to take the long view, so at least the manager isn't getting sacked in the morning.
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That is the bright side only from the perspective of Liverpool/City/Chelsea supporters.
 
Ixion said:
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Woodward: "The Equalizer"
Moyes: "The Record-Breaker"

We have some fricking cool names.
 
Everyone outside this club saw it coming, even most people here did, he was never the right one for united, moyes will need a fortune in the summer to turn things around next season, and by turn things around i mean getting us back into the top 4 again, that's our ambition now.
 
Revan said:
What was so crazy unlucky? Our only good chance (except the goal) was when Rooney hit the post.

Injuries or not, you can't blame the luck if you create two chances on 103 minutes against the mighty Stoke.
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Come off it, we only struggled because of what happened at the other end. It disrupted our play massively and we never had a chance to get going.

Without the injuries our team wouldn't have been so unbalanced and we'd have picked up the points comfortably.
 
Why the feck does he seem to happy in his interview? Grow some fecking balls man.
 
I know, with the squad we have, we shouldn't rely on luck to beat Stoke - but we really were unlucky today. I think that's why I'm not completely on the anti-Moyes bangwagon today.
 
Smores said:
Come off it, we only struggled because of what happened at the other end. It disrupted our play massively and we never had a chance to get going.

Without the injuries our team wouldn't have been so unbalanced and we'd have picked up the points comfortably.
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To be fair, the first injury actually made us stronger cause Rafael is always better than Smalling as a right back. The second one disrupted us, but anyway we weren't showing anything at all before it. And also, the disrupting process could have been limited if Moyes wouldn't have decided to play 3 players out of position (Carrick, Rooney and Welbeck) i.e replacing Jones with Fletcher which means that only Carrick would have been playin out of position.
 
Adebesi said:
I'm worried about it. Not being in the CL isn't going to mean you lose all your best players (tho Rooney? I wonder what he's thinking.) but it makes it difficult to attract people. Why come to us if they can go somewhere that'll probably pay them more and offer them CL football?.
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A lot of players would probably be lost already on the salary issue. If they can get past that, and see a good future and an exciting team for United, then one year out of the CL probably wouldn't be a deal breaker.
 
IrishLegend said:
I do find it incredible how some people can make every thing the Glazers fault.

If Moyes was doing great it'd all be because of SAF, if they'd ignored him and not gone with SAFs recommendation they'd be idiots for not listening to the greatest manager of all time.

Not everything is their fault.
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But if they actually knew feck all about football they'd might have been able to make a qualified choice on who our next manager was going to be instead of letting SAF cater to his ego and choose Moyes.

I imagine SAF sold the idea of Moyes to them on the basis that he's achieved solid results at Everton on a budget, to be honest.
 
elisha27 said:
Why though? What has he done in his career, let alone the United job, that means he deserves time?
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Fergie asked us to & we owe him that do we not?

Lets see if Fergie's proved wrong with this at the end of the season & then make our judgements. It doesnt look good at all i agree & i cant see things gettin any better - especially gettin world-class players in the summer, but lets see out the season...
 
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