Yeah I suppose that it's his lovely brand of attacking football that swung it.
Moyes So Far!
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Get down on the touchline and tell them not to? I think they call it management.
Rodgers at Liverpool and Mourinho at Porto were under 40 when they were appointed so its not surprise they hadn't won anything. And Rodgers at least had reputation for his style of football. Moyes is no young, exciting up and coming manager, you can't compare him now to Rodgers and Mourinho at 40
We are a proper classy club. We are not going to fire a manager only a year into his contract. Rather we will give him all the time he needs. Things like trophies, foreign managers, 4-3-3, matchday attendances, shirt sales and share prices are only secondary to good old traditional values.
Just get Fergie & Queiroz back in for feck sake & tell him he has to buy 10 world class CM's, 5 world class CB's & 5 world class FB's in the summer or his horses will be shot
Fergie doesn't buy CM. The best you can expect is to buy attacking midfielders and center defenders and then convert them.Is he stll in charge?
But it's no easy to manage a team in a cold afternoon in Stoke
But it's no easy to manage a team in a cold afternoon in Stoke
If you aren't a proven winner, then you have to at least show some tactical knowledge, play exciting football, get results against top teams, something like what Pochettino is doing at Southampton. Moyes did a good job getting Everton up the table, but they didn't improve at all in the last 5-6 years really, maybe even longer then that. They reached a level and Moyes was content to keep playing the same long ball mostly football, crossing it in the box always.
...into full-backs!
Same as your posts man
Only jokin dude
Lol! I feel a little uninspired at the moment tbh!
The one thing I like about Moyes is he seems to be a bit of a transfer muppet who likes the right targets.
We should allow him to go crazy in the summer going on a spending spree with the likes of Vidal, Kroos et al....then sack him before our first game
We should allow him to go crazy in the summer going on a spending spree with the likes of Vidal, Kroos et al....then sack him before our first game
Dont we all man. feckin 80's flashbacks to when we were mediocre have crept in this season & in my sleep...
Pellegrini had wone some things somewhere though. And he seriously overachieved with Villareal. While Moyes achievements have become exaggerated in this forum (not saying that he didn't do a good job at Everton), Pellegrini achievements with Villareal overshadows his in both league and UCL. Villareal didn't had a higher budget than Everton.
He then went into Madrid (a very big job, something that Moyes has never done) and managed big egos like Ronaldo, Kaka, Casillas, Ramos, Benzema (something that Moyes has never done) and did pretty well (95 points). And then he did a good job at Malaga finishing fourth in his first season and being a minute and an offside away from passing Dortmund.
Add to that, his style of play was very attacking in all his three clubs he managed in Europe. He is doing the same with City now.
It isn't even a context who was the better and more succesful manager between them.
If we look to Moyes:
style of play: boring, negative, percentage football
experience in Europe: zero
winning trophies: none
had another big job: no
managed big players: no
being Scotish: yes
If we look to Pellegrini:
style of play: attacking, very pleasing for eye
experience in Europe: 4-5 years in UCL, biggest achievement being semi final of UCL
winning trophies: yes in S.America, no in Europe
had another big job: yes and got 95 points in his only season there
managed big players: Ballon D'Or winners like Ronaldo and Kaka were amongst them. Some others not as famous were Riquelme, Forlan, Casillas, Alonso, Ramos and Benzema.
being Scotish: no
Ironically, despite City being the team who spend most, Pellegrini gets paid half the wages Moyes get here.
The one thing I like about Moyes is he seems to be a bit of a transfer muppet who likes the right targets.
We should allow him to go crazy in the summer going on a spending spree with the likes of Vidal, Kroos et al....then sack him before our first game
The right targets didnt need to world-class in the past window - just upgrades in the necessary areas i.e. a CM, CB & LB..
I've no confidence in the Chuckle Brothers bringing in these world-class targets. We could just end up with those tier 2 back-ups we allegedly looked at in the past window - Fernando etc..
Phil Neville wearing an ear piece, when everyone he needed to communicate with, was sitting right beside him....He looked like such a tosser
Why is this the thing that annoys me most about today?
Why is this the thing that annoys me most about today?
Any other elite club would have cut their losses by now. There isn't an argument to be had that he's done a good job so far, but it's all about whether we want to gamble on the next year or so. I say give him more time.
So much revisionism on here. Now it doesn't matter if a manager hasn't won anything of note as long as he plays decent football.
I'm not even one who particularly espoused him as our choice of SAF replacement but I can't help but feel too many have made their mind up about him before he was appointed and now it's just a free for all to joyfully turn the knife now that results and performances haven't been good.
I'm not even one who particularly espoused him as our choice of SAF replacement but I can't help but feel too many have made their mind up about him before he was appointed and now it's just a free for all to joyfully turn the knife now that results and performances haven't been good.
We did hand Pellegrini Forlan & Rossi for feck all though... and they turned out to be massive hits!
So Fergie effectively helped him get the City job - wanker!
That's a really interesting point. There's probably an element of truth in it.
I was firmly in the support for Moyes camp and was happy with his appointment but results have simply not been good enough. For me it's not a style issue I'm more disappointed and concerned by how he doesn't address our problems. It's not even about transfers, we don't need to line up with two midfielders and two strikers and when we're struggling in the middle then it doesn't make sense to play that way. But he seems unwilling to really change that.
Phil Neville wearing an ear piece, when everyone he needed to communicate with, was sitting right beside him....He looked like such a tosser
Why is this the thing that annoys me most about today?
Phil Neville coaching RVP & Vidic says it's all. Once again, the gods of football spread our cheeks to ram cock in the feckïng arse.
All those late goals during Fergie's era, the glorious European nights, the snatching of victory from the jaws of victory - I knew there is going to be a time we will pay for all that for equality to be restored.
I just never knew it will be this bad. It's like all the luck we have had over 20 years was packaged together, reversed & thrown at us in one single season.
This season should end already....
It's a combination of a few things to Moyes though. Not winning trophies, not playing nice football, not having experience in UCL, not managing big players, not having to work in a big budget. He falls short in all of each categories.
The man you compared him with, Pellegrini, falls short in only one of these categories, and even in that, he's still better than Moyes.
A lot of players have made they mind up at the moment of the appointment (and I am one of them) but to be fair, everything went as they predicted (in fact a bit worse). If he was doing good and those same people would have still moaning than your argument would have made sense.
If we hire tomorrow Pulis and sign Cattermole a lot of people will make up their minds that they are shit. That doesn't mean that their critics are bullshit when we would be fighting relegation after a few months,
If the Moyes gamble does pay off, what does that award us? A second place finish and an FA Cup?
This is a fair point. I do think Sir Alex should not have been able to pick his successor. Glazers are probably to blame sanctioning him to do so and allow Moyes to get a 6 year contract. I mean there is no talk whatsoever that Moyes will lose his job whatever happens on the pitch.
More than anything tactical, I think Moyes is failing principally because he is not motivating the players. We shouldn't require particularly sophisticated tactics to win many of the games we've lost this season. We just need our players to turn up and perform at something like their normal level. It's Moyes job to ensure they do, and they haven't.
I wasn't a fan of the appointment, but I certainly haven't made up my mind them. I actually thought our team had clear weaknesses that any good manager - and Moyes has done very well at Everton - would be able to improve, which would at least offset the fact he's no Fergie and has never managed a big club.
But he hasn't. It's looking bad and it's not getting better. He talked after today's match about how we played good football, got to the byline a lot and just couldn't find the players in the box... If that's how he wants to play, I just don't see it working. And I don't see it changing.
I really do get this feeling and that Sir Alex's own ego would not allow Moyes to be sacked this early as it reflects poorly on his decision, his hand picked successor. Even if the season ends with us in the same position we are in now, I really doubt Sir Alex will allow Moyes to be sacked despite it being a huge failure finishing outside the top 4.
Aside from Hernandez against Stoke (which was 79th/80th minute so boderline) I don't think we have scored a meaningful, result changing goal in the last 10 minutes of a league game this season? That's right isn't it? Stark contrast to the late goals Sir Alex was known for. Maybe not Moyes fault but it suggests his substitutions and tactics when things aren't going well towards the end of the game aren't making a difference.
Always felt motivation is a problem. For the past few weeks everyone has gone on about how we have in effect been carried by an 18 year old. No surprise the youngster who is playing his first season in first team football has no fear needs no motivation. Everyone else seems completely devoid of confidence right now.
A bit similar to the Fellaini situation. For me at least, he never showed anything that makes him seem like a United quality manager, and he's always seemed like mid table was his level. The point you made though, he's really not helped himself. The fans have been great for the most part, we've given him more time then any other club in the world would have, but there comes a time for everyone when you have to accept you made a mistake, before it gets too late and it makes it harder to come back from that mistake.
I'm still supporting him and will do this season and beyond. He's creating a team...he needs a couple of transfer windows and time to build. We're gonna have shit results like this and its frustrating when we should be doing better.
Commentator today said we haven't scored a goal in the last 10 minutes of a game to change the result. So yes, you're right. Shocking really. Although we did come back from 2-0 down against Hull and then from 2-1 down against Stoke, but those are the only 2.
Motivation is a big problem and actually should be a difficult task. A lot of people have mentioned it like players are pussies if they need someone to motivate, like motivating is a 5 minutes speech before the game.
Motivation comes from tactics, training and the confidence the manager has. If they don't have correct training (not saying that this is true but it could be an option), tactics aren't right and are more defensive than the players won't be 'motivated' enough. Regardless what the manager says to them.
I'm happy to give him more time alright - Monday morn 9am!
Seriously, he deserves time & its mental the way the fans opinion of him has changed since Tuesday, when we were all lifted by Mata coming & playin his 1st game for us. Its the manner of the defeat today & the tactics that has got everyone fecked off - quite rightly too.
I wasnt happy about the possibility of only Mata comin in (feckin livid if you read my posts the past few days). He wasnt even the type of player we were desperate for (albeit - feckin wicked). No CM(s) or defender(s) to boost the squad & improve on what we have - most of the squad have been atrocious & its a bullshit line that there were no upgrades available in that past window. Another shambles of a transfer window in my opinion.
We can forget about Vidal, Kroos, Gundogan, Reus etc in the summer - no chance without Champions League football & anyone who thinks different is really being optimistic. I just cant see it folks..
The thing is that those who made their mind up about him being the wrong choice before a ball was kicked are ironically the ones whose beliefs were correct from what we've seen. A lot were against his appointment with good reasons, but the cliches people said at the start of the season which we expected to be nonsense have turned out to be true: the dull football, the man being out of his depth.
It's not exactly people turning the knife; it's merely people incredibly unhappy and disappointed that he's in the job when all the indications are that he's not good enough for it. People are entitled to give him a lot of criticism when you look at how we've performed. I'd say the ones who disliked him before the start of the season are actually more justified in criticising them since they're hardly kneejerk fans who have changed their opinion. They're the guys who would've been seen as negative last June, but have been vindicated so far.
The thing is, a lot of opinions -mine included- didn't really change. People reacted positively to Mata coming in and I was one of those people but it didn't change my opinion of Moyes, or my concerns about the midfield and defence.
You make some good points but the whole 'you can't sign top players when you aren't playing CL football' is a peculiar cliche when you look at the evidence. Toure and Silva went to City prior to European football, Bayern in 08 and Juve in 06 support that too. It might have been done to death on here but it's true - while it will probably have an effect on the odd player, a club this size will always, inevitably, bounce back and most players will jump at the chance to play for Manchester United.
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