Is it completely ridiculous to suggest that SAF should come out of retirement to assist Moyes for a few months, with the current situation and the backroom staff being relatively inexperienced at a big club Fergie's experience and knowledge would be invaluable.
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Nah he didn't play was Giggs/Jones. But tbh if that was an issue then it adds further points as to why we didn't strengthen there in Jan. We might not have gotten an ideal player but if fletch/giggs can't play every game, jones likely needed in defence more then we're lacking players we can consistently use there. Not much point having squad players if you can't rely on them as options.
If he's not fit then what's he doing on the bench? Even a half-fit Fletcher would have been preferable to what Moyes did with Rooney. Sorry but when I see a bunch of cnuts like Stoke outplaying us, it's no longer funny.
Agh, it's not good
But we'll retain all the rest. 2,3,4 years and I definitely agree with you but I hope the club won't allow that to happen (whatever is required).
Miss out one season and show that we're investing and not going the way of Liverpool.
For Liverpool dropping out of the top 4 was part of a downward trajectory they were already on, mainly due to the owners. It wasn't the catalyst for their decline which is what is being predicted for Utd. Short term I just don't see it, we will still be one of the biggest, best supported, most successful clubs in the world. Able to match if not better most teams in terms of what we can offer.
Welbeck, maybe, Cleverley is not developing at all and has actually gone backward. He will be in his mid 20's soon, he is no longer a prospect. They only get a pass because they are home grown.
Also in 2005, people shouldn't have been calling for Fergie's head as they should have known it would come right as he had a track record, as he did when he joined us. Moyes had none and blew any chance of winning with Everton. They got knocked out by Wigan at home in the F.A. Cup last season. Moyes will be dreading the scenario of Martinez winning the F.A. Cup this year with Everton.
He has claimed we played well and were unlucky after almost every defeat.
The quotes must be made up, we were nothing short of shambolic today in every sense, i appreciate we had a couple of injuries early on but at no point did we look like we played well.
I heard that, he just seems to take an dislike to some players.
Surely Moyes has to answer to the board every now and then with all these negative results? Or do they sit there scratching their balls as Moyes continues to rip our season limb from limb?
Unfortunately it is a real quote. It's on manutd.com!
David Moyes actually thought we played well today. He doesn't have a winning bone in his body.
He might have been really useful against this lot today.
He's guaranteed a job at Utd for 2 years....i hate to think what state we will be in at the point.
The board consists of amongst others Sir Alex Ferguson, one of the most stubborn persons who walks this earth.
I'd imagine it would take far, far more than what we've seen so far to make him admit he's wrong about Moyes.
His stubbornness was one of his best attributes as a manager but it might be the downfall of our club with him in a director's seat.
in that case it can only be a PR thing, any manager worth his salt would be fuming.
In fairness that's not unusual, Mata @ Chelsea would be a good example.
Im not saying it's right, just that it's not unusual.
The problem is that we as a club are too proud. We've shot ourselves in the foot because we feel it's our duty to be that club which doesn't sack managers and gives the manager time etc. Which is fantastic, but if you make the wrong appointment and choose the wrong man to do it with, you are fecked.
He's our Roy Hodgson.
Correct. But next is our Dalglish when everyone realizes the squad is a problem as well.
I thought Moyes would atleast make us hard to beat and defensively organised. Those were his traits at Everton.
And then well soon get a Rodgers? Things will look up soon then.
Or Moyes is our AVB.
And we get our RDM and we all know what happens next.
And we get our RDM and we all know what happens next.
I'm a bit sick and tired of him bemoaning our luck.
If we dominated matches and had a go at teams, trying to break them down and put pressure on them, we wouldn't need luck to beat the likes of Stoke or Cardiff.
We would hammer them from time to time, other times we would win marginally through sheer quality and dominance, but we wouldn't lose every other game since we didn't have the rub of the green in that particular match.
Winning sides win matches even when they get a piece of bad luck.
The current United desperately hopes luck can win them matches.
That's quite telling actually.
If we dominated matches and had a go at teams, trying to break them down and put pressure on them, we wouldn't need luck to beat the likes of Stoke or Cardiff.
We would hammer them from time to time, other times we would win marginally through sheer quality and dominance, but we wouldn't lose every other game since we didn't have the rub of the green in that particular match.
Winning sides win matches even when they get a piece of bad luck.
The current United desperately hopes luck can win them matches.
That's quite telling actually.
Yup. He'll last until the end of the season because we gave him funds to buy Mata but he should be sacked at the end of the season, unless there is a drastic change. He's shown nothing so far that gives you faith he can make us a good team again, no tactical sense, mind boggling use of substitutions every week, freezing out some of the talented players and opting instead for players like Valencia/Young.
Not the United way to sack him my ass. He's anti United with everything he does almost. He's a negative thinking manager, and you can tell just how uncomfortable he is with trying to actually win games, and that's why we've been shit. With the subs he just looks on the bench and thinks, oh Hernandez and Welbeck have scored before, I'll put them on, despite already have 2 strikers and another #10 on the pitch, and moving a midfielder to defence. It's just amateur mistakes and he's out of his depth.
It does seem as though he has no accountability at the moment. Seemingly majority of folk have accepted that he will be here next season regardless of results for the rest of the year.
We could have Pele and Ronaldo up front and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference if all we do is cross the ball into the box.
I have no idea what moyes is trying to achieve
I have no idea what moyes is trying to achieve
If he wasn't Scottish he wouldn't be here. I can't get my head round that.
After the initial blood rush following the defeat today I've come to accept he's probably gonna be still here next season, which is a mistake in my opinion. He's a decent manager but Everton was his level. It's pretty telling that a club like Tottenham never even went for him with all their managerial changes.
He's lost his mind from the pressure, bless him.
It's bizarre. We've given ultimate control with seemingly zero accountability and pressure of short term goals i.e a free hand, to David fecking Moyes. Who does that?!
Gotta agree with that, what is more worrying he only has one solution to when we are losing which is simply to make a sub rather than change it tactically.
Basically his tactic is evident....get the ball wide and hoof into the box.
SAF.
If we had owners with actual footballing knowledge/who actually cared about anything other than making money, they wouldn't trust one man, the former manager, with picking his successor.
They would scour the options for the best managers and make an informed decision with actual footballing credentials the main reason for the appointment.
The buck does stop with Moyes to some extent, but I can't say I'm not blaming SAF for being so fecking stubborn about appointing a man in "his image"/being scottish/whatever.
But more than that, the Glazer's what put us into this situation to begin with I feel.
I think it's a definite, not probable. He's going nowhere.
Except we won the F.A. Cup, which we aren't in now. Oh well, the CL it is.Well atleast he's ahead of the curve with that one. We'll finish well ahead of 13th place.
The start of today was evidence to that. Despite having Mata, Rooney and RVP on the pitch, instead of making it a more narrow 4-2-3-1 and have us play proper football and keep it on the ground, trying to pass it around them, he shoves him wide right and tells him to do his thing probably, despite the midfield and forwards still being a very flat 4-4-2.
I wouldn't say it's definite to be honest. We'll see a few more losses before the end of the season. Failure to progress further than the Greeks in Europe could also pile massive pressure on him. If we finish the season eight or ninth, a very real possibility, with the resources at hand I'd be amazed if he was retained for the new season.
The Mata thing doesn't go for much. It wouldn't surprise me if the club made the purchase simply because a quality player was available. Hes on probation as far as in concerned - if it stays the same, hes gone
I think he will go in the summer
With Rooney and RVP due to come back early Feb perhaps the board would have thought they needed to make a quality signing to give Moyes some ammo to work with and salvage something from the season - hence the Mata signing (or at least that is how I interpret it)
If we fall short of 4th by a long way (which seems likely) despite key players coming back/being added - then I believe they will look at changing things
With Rooney and RVP due to come back early Feb perhaps the board would have thought they needed to make a quality signing to give Moyes some ammo to work with and salvage something from the season - hence the Mata signing (or at least that is how I interpret it)
If we fall short of 4th by a long way (which seems likely) despite key players coming back/being added - then I believe they will look at changing things
Didn't Moyes say he only recently got told by the club that Mata was available?
Might be coming from upstairs, that particular purchase.
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