He wasn't in the game much today. Maybe it was all the chopping and changing but he seemed lost at times. When he's not on the ball, he becomes invisible. That can be tolerated when you've got others tracking back, winning tackles, and creating space but he doesn't do that and maybe that's why Jose didn't want him and why Fergie seemed a bit shy of him last season when a transfer to United was being talked about.
Moyes So Far!
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He wasn't in the game much today. Maybe it was all the chopping and changing but he seemed lost at times. When he's not on the ball, he becomes invisible. That can be tolerated when you've got others tracking back, winning tackles, and creating space but he doesn't do that and maybe that's why Jose didn't want him and why Fergie seemed a bit shy of him last season when a transfer to United was being talked about.
Bringing in a mid-table management team to replace a titles-winning management team was my only gripe at the time to be honest. I was fine with Moyes - just not the rest though & that includes Nev. Albeit, Rene decided to leave, with Moyes lookin him to be his assistant... that was a great loss to the squad!
We fecked up with Moyes, Fergie having such a hardon for the guy put blinders on most of us...
Fergie won't let it happen. Moyes will be allowed to build his own team and will be judged then. Rightly or wrongly. He said as much recently.
He is still learning his team mates names which might be why he looks lost?
Well we might as well strap up, because this will only get worse with him at the helm. 1960s football, feck sake...
Wh Moyes' name came up time and time again as fergie's successor I thought it was some sort of joke nomination that kept cropping up because he was British.
It's the 'United Way' thing, we think it is a virtue when it might be our downfall.
I was comparing his footballing philosophies to that of the 1960s Bristol Rovers side, not the Babe's.
He said he got wind a couple of months ago that Mata might become available.
Probably Fergie's private chats to Mourinho got the ball rolling...
OK. Rovers would probably have sacked Moyes in those days too.Sir Alex is more to be blamed than Moyes. Moyes is simply not good enough, not his fault. He likely is trying his best but his best is far away from the minimum United should achieve.
Sir Alex was arrogant for wanting someone on his image there, for wanting someone with whom he'll still be able to work (if Pep/Mourinho/Klopp would have been appointed they wouldn't ask Sir Alex for anything, which means that he would have lost all the power) and for being so overconfident in his abilities that he cannot do wrong. fecking hell, we didn't even consider other options and we were on May, 2 months before the pre-season was going to begin and we weren't on risk that someone will steal Moyes from us. Mismanagement if there ever was.
What is the Glazers fault mate? Or it is just cool to blame them for everything.
Is Moyes a shit motivator, or what? That's another issue.
I do find it incredible how some people can make every thing the Glazers fault.
If Moyes was doing great it'd all be because of SAF, if they'd ignored him and not gone with SAFs recommendation they'd be idiots for not listening to the greatest manager of all time.
Not everything is their fault.
To be fair to him i don't think that's his fault. The 2 centre halves lumped ball forward the whole time. Whats he meant to do?
Anyway, i think club made Mata purchase. Not moyes
That's so dumb when you think of it. Isn't the 'United Way' more about how we play, always go for the win, never giving up until the referee blows his whistle, and being entertaining to watch? Now because we had Sir Alex and Sir Matt here for 25 years each it makes it the United way to not sack managers? Despite us having done that many times in the past (even Busby's replacement got sacked or whatever and Busby took over again in the same season). Longevity comes with success. Bringing in a manager because there is a chance he might stay long term is stupid because what's to say that someone like Mourinho wouldn't stay long term? Or anyone else? Managers leave if there are problems between them and the board, if they are sacked or if like a dream job becomes available. United are one of those dream jobs. Where would a manager go if he took over us, and got us winning? There would be no reason whatsoever for him to leave. Pep left barca because the owners and directors and all that, not because he got bored of winning.
As I said above, I wasn't referring to the Babe's...This was the 60's you muppet
Marcus Aurelius was one of the greatest Roman Emperors but allowed sentimentality to rule his appointment of successor. Fergie seems to have done the same with Moyes. In real terms, there was no reason for Moyes to succeed Fergie. The club just have to prevent Moyes from turning a down year into a decline. This season is an exceptionally bad season though by United standards.
That would be a turn up if true. Maybe I was being a bit unfair on Mata, him being a new boy and all.
Totally.
Football is actually moving in another direction right now. In a direction very different to what sir Alex instilled over the last few years. His ideas in the latter parts of his career were old fashioned, completely disregarding technical football etc, were archaic compared to where football was headed, and he went with a successor that's was archaic in nature too and not at all keeping with the times.
I hope were brave enough now as a football club to make some tough decisions and actually get the best available manager out there rather than go with "someone who will follow sir Alex's footsteps".
Fresh start, fresh ideas.
Do we do this -:
Or this?
Or this?
Fergie would have never been given the job himself if he had David Moyes CV. There was no need to lower our standards. Fergie got the job when he did because amongst other things he was a winner. The same can't be said about David Moyes. Those standards should have been upheld when appointing Fergie's successor. I've said before that it shouldn't' have been his decision.
I'm certain Moyes isn't going anywhere for now though.
I seem to recall that Fergie said on his last day that the team was in good shape with a nucleus of players to take us forward. I don't think he thought the team needed a rebuild, more a strengthening.
I don't think for a minute that Fergie will have the last say on if and when Moyes goes. His judgement has already been found wanting on Moyes and anyway the Glazers will make their decision based on the bottom line. The Club is not selling out for every match, businessmen are queuing up to take their clients to the Etihad now and I'll bet shirt sales and sponsorships abroad are drying up. The bottom line will decide, not Fergie.
I know it is usually about the way we play, like The West Ham Way, however it is now being used with regards to managers. We were very fortunate that we had two managers, Busby and Fergie who had the sustained success and respect and love of the fans. Unfortunately in between we also had managers who were not the same level. Difficult to say how Tommy Doc would have done if he hadn't decided to shag his physios' missus.
Just get Fergie & Queiroz back in for feck sake & tell him he has to buy 10 world class CM's, 5 world class CB's & 5 world class FB's in the summer or his horses will be shot 
That arse Woodward is on record as saying we'll still sell shirts even if we don't finish in the top 4. Being a hard-nosed capitalist pig, I suppose he'd know.
No it isn't. We'd have been champions before 1980.
Strange that he was briefing his favoured journos to ignore Mata links then 3 weeks later.....
We'll see come the summer. Moyes is on a shaky peg.
To be honest man, none of us thought Moyes had that sort of money in his bank account to make said purchase.. Had to be the Glazers..
Just get Fergie & Queiroz back in for feck sake & tell him he has to buy 10 world class CM's, 5 world class CB's & 5 world class FB's in the summer or his horses will be shot
Pardon the meme-ified saying, but that escalated quickly!
The whole 'not winning' anything is a complete nonsense. If that was the case, Liverpool wouldn't have appointed Rodgers..Porto wouldn't have appointed Mourinho etc. It's incredibly myopic and doesn't mean that one manager is better then another as there are all sorts of factors that you need to consider. Pellegrini has won virtually nothing since he moved to Europe (one intertoto cup?)..
I met Moyes about 10 years ago at a burns evening. Such an uninspiring bloke, just nothing about him. Very timid and shy. He's not a top premiership manager. I do feel for him as he's so far out of his depth and that's not hit home yet.
He might have misjudged that, there will be plenty of fans who will quite happily jump ship if we get any worse. Not all the fans will be as loyal to the team as most of us are. Also some will stop buying stuff or going to games until a change is made. They will still support the team but not financially. People will want to be loyal, but they also want to enjoy the experience of following a team, not necessarily winning trophies, although that is nice, but watching a good style of football. They are definitely not getting the latter,
Liverpool finished 8th in the season where they appointed Rodgers. We finished 1st last season, as difficult as it is to believe. They weren't looking to win stuff; their immediate aim was and still is to challenge for the top 4. By contrast, we wanted a winner because we wanted to continue winning things. The Portuguese league is at a much lower level than English football. That's not to say Porto aren't a big team, but the requirements of managing a team in the Portuguese league are undoubtedly a lot smaller than managing one of the biggest teams in England.
Pellegrini didn't have much success in the way of trophies but he did take Villarreal to the semi-finals of the Champions League and had experience at a big club in Real Madrid, where he put up an impressive challenge against one of the greatest sides of all-time and should've been given another year to prove himself.
I feel sorry for him as well, he appears to be SAF's guinea pig to prove that a big club can employ a British manager and not have to go foreign.
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