Don't buy into that 'true Manchester United fan' bollocks. We'll have more fans turning on Moyes than defending him if this persists.
Moyes So Far!
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I would have thought that Mata joined thinking that we could still get that 4th spot. I don't think that we can. I think that it will be much harder to attract top players in the summer without CL football for definite.
Today I actually thought that we were genuinely unlucky with the injuries, the deflected goal and Charlie Adam scoring a beauty.. We probably deserved a draw. If we had more money in the bank then you could write off this performance, but we don't.
I think that Moyes made terrible decisions with substitions and tactics but the same lack of confidence and positive footballing philosophy was the same that it has been all season. That Moyes thinks that getting to the byline or to the edge of the box more than the oppostion is a sign of playing well tells you that he is not right for the Manchester United managership. We need to attack from all angles and put fear into the heart of opponents.
I guess that I just disagree and I don't think that Moyes will ever be good enough for the post. I admit that I can be pessimistic and reactive but I don't see any rays of hope from Moyes, not a single one. Can you tell me what they are?
This is an Internet forum. So pretty every time someone starts describing tactics they are just spouting bollocks. Football is about players playing well.What do you mean a lot of bollocks?Straight up his tactics have not worked.
Well atleast he's ahead of the curve with that one. We'll finish well ahead of 13th place.
Is this is the case, I just hope he signs world class players in the summer and not "he will have to do" type signings, this will result in one of two things.
1) He greatly improves and everyone on this form claims that they were behind Moyes the whole time.
Or
2) He gets sacked and we get in an experienced manager, who will have a fantastic squad to work with.
I think it is combination of all, i am also of the opinion the Utd job might've come too early for him, ideally it would've been best for him to manage a club like Spurs/Villa before getting a job here.
To be honest, most of us, and I'm sure Mata himself too thought we'd still make it to the champions league next season.. Besides, Mata wasn't playing much at Chelsea, how often do you see very good players not given time at their clubs, and not having serious suitors other than us?
I don't think you can apply the Mata case here, and I do believe it will be extremely difficult for us to attract quality players if we're out of the CL next season.
If we offer players enough money they will come to us champions league or not
I almost wanted to laugh... so true.
That has to be one of the most short sighted posts in here.Ofcourse we have, and we should fire him, but we won't and that is because we're Manchester United and that is what makes us special and will ruin us.
They've been injured but when you look at our losses its quite clear that we don't have the squad solidarity, belief in winning, scoring late, on the pitch communication, and intense desire to succeed that we did under Fergie. Our inability to get it done on the pitch is directly attributable to Moyes' methods and tactics.
We don't exactly have a great history of over paying to ensure we get the players we want or breaking our wage structure. Rooney possibly being the only exception.
Spot on.
Also, although Mata is a good player, again we failed in the transfer window to address our weakness.
Moyes spent weeks scouting all over europe when all he had to do is ring Pardew for Cabaye, yes agree not the best but he would've helped us fight for the top 4.
Moyes spent weeks scouting all over europe when all he had to do is ring Pardew for Cabaye, yes agree not the best but he would've helped us fight for the top 4.
Alternatively we could have appointed the guys who's already been at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Real Madrid and won things everywhere.
Yes they looked out of depth I remember when Fergie bought Pallister for an almost record of 2.3 million at the time. I think it was 1989. He did look lost initially, including during the 5-1 hammering at Manchester City. (Manchester City at the time had no sheiks pumping the money..)
As regards Fletcher....have a look at this thread
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/darren-fletcher-is-fecking-shit.128729/
and that will never happen to any other player anywhere?
1. We rarely go after the top level players, and given that we can now just be outbid by the sugar daddy clubs, and I don't think the PL is as attractive as it was 5 or 6 years ago anyway.
2. It also comes down to the money you can offer. Even without CL football Utd can offer players a very attractive package (compared to other clubs who have dropped out of the CL)
3. Like them or not our owners are a lot more stable than other clubs who have dropped out of the top 4 in the past. Liverpools demise wasn't down to dropping out of the top 4. It was mainly down to the owners not being prepared to do what needed to be done to keep them competitive.
You might be right, I might be. The reality will probably be somewhere in the middle. I don't see a huge problem if we fail to qualify this season but invest and rebuild in the summer. Fail to do that or fail to qualify 2 years running and we could have bigger problems.
Does it make you feel good about yourself calling the fans who aren't happy with mediocrity spoiled? Maybe we should go almost thirty years without winning the title again so that those of us who are left supporting United after that can also feel morally superior when we get the league back? Are you happy that City are likely to win the league and Liverpool (of all sides) are likely to take our top 4 place?
I see this kind of comment too much around the CAF for my liking, and I hate to go off on you cos you aint the only one saying it, but there is no moral victory in being cak. When City win the title and rub it in our faces. When Luis Suarez celebrates guiding the Scouse into the Champions League. The fact that the so-called spoiled fans are upset about it isn't going to make it feel any less painful to me.
We have to get used to this? Sadly I fear you're right. Should we have to though? No.
Alternatively we could have appointed the guys who's already been at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Real Madrid and won things everywhere.
Better still, with a bit of hindsight, we should've gone for Guardiola when we had the chance.
You're either naive or in a big WUM.
Remember the times when Barca apparently could win without a manager?
Can you tell me on what basis Moyes should be given another season mate?
Can you tell me what are the positives since Moyes took over?
It feels like he will need a squad better than Bayern's level to win the league. Basically the best squad we have ever had - an the current one is miles off it.
He rather waits to get the utmost best most brilliant top class players for the midfield, just like in the summer to finally end up with Fellaini. It is exactly how the summer will go, we'll be in for Kroos, Vidal, Gundogan, probably Fabregas again at some point and we'll end up with an overpaid panic buy.
It is the famous Moyes transfer strategy of how to ruin a powerhouse footballclub in just a few months time.
Emergence of Januzaj
Walking through the CL group
Handling of Rooney and getting the best from him.
Admittedly they're lost in a sea of shite but there are a few - maybe they'd have happened either way of course.
Pfft, 11 players on the pitch in their preferred positions, playing at top form, transcends any fecking tactics.
I know on RAWK they like to wank themselves silly about tactics. And I guess RedCafe has become RAWK, but I'm not buying it that Uniteds problems this season were all down to "tactics".
We got knocked out of the cup by team with players deemed not good enough for United anymore remember? O'shea Bardsley and Brown? Yes we need better players but we also need a better manager.
Yes they looked out of depth I remember when Fergie bought Pallister for an almost record of 2.3 million at the time. I think it was 1989. He did look lost initially, including during the 5-1 hammering at Manchester City. (Manchester City at the time had no sheiks pumping the money..)
As regards Fletcher....have a look at this thread
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/darren-fletcher-is-fecking-shit.128729/
As I said I said it in jest
I know about Pallister, Schmikes and Fletch, but can you tell me a single manager that taking over a championship team bringing it to #7 with 14 games to go managing to get things round and having a successful career?
Don't bother searching for it I'm sure he would be without a job 2 months ago...
Maybe if he also has a dreadful half season next season but makes a strong finish to come 5th he'll get a 3rd year...
Personally think Mourinho would be the better choice, but let's just agree to disagree, we aren't getting either.
Today it was 100% agree. Over the course of the season to date I think here have been a number of factors, one of them Moyes.
Its just blind optimism by some. There is nothing to suggest this will change. He keeps sending out the team doing the same things - and fails every time.
Just to be pedantic, this isn't near the best from Rooney. He isn't playing on the level of 2009-2010, second half of 2010-2011 or 2011-2012. He is better than last season though.
We didn't walk in the UCL group. We were comfortable in only 2 games from 6. It was a tough group though, so a good job by him there.
Januzaj handling has been brilliant.
He's not good enough is he? We looked like a manager less football team.
Players playing in their preferred positions isnt happening neither though. Well apart from Rooney, which is damaging to our team at best.
If we don't make top 4 then all the players you mentioned will not come, so it is pointless exercise of waiting until the summer for a midfielder when we are criminally weak at the moment.
Yes I'm sure you are right, Stoke have better players, playing top form - drawing 1 in the last 6 games and they clearly favorites today, being 3rd from bottom.
RAWK is all about claiming they have the bestest manager/players in the world. The Caf has most realists knowing the only way is down with Moyes in charge.I want to get behind you Moyes, help me out here will you?
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