There has to be a line, there absolutely has to be. I refuse to believe the club will not act if he continues to prove himself an inept manager.
Moyes So Far!
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I think Utd will always attract players. We're not in the CL spots right now and we were able to attract Mata weren't we?
I wouldn't say I'm a staunch Moyes supporter, I am a staunch Utd support and think he needs more time.
For me today's game was the first time the performance and result was pretty much 100% down to Moyes.
I'm left to hoping the Glazers really are ruthless businessman who know what they're doing.
The sooner he's gone the more time we have to salvage the situation.
As long as Fergie's around - moyes aint getting the sack this season. The summer, he will get the chance to rebuild the squad for the season and IF he still fails to deliver, then and only then will be get the sack.
So prepare yourself for two season of Moyes - its better you accept it now then fight it.
There are others who did not set the world alight in the first months at OT...Yeah I think we missed out on Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Bellion, Chadwick, Bebe etc. they should have been given at least 3 seasons playing as starters, you may never know they could be stars now...
Schmeichel started off with a blooper against Leeds, Pallister was awful in his first season, Fletcher was the favourite of the boo-boys for quite some time, Evra and Vidic struggled in the first six months or so, Fergie himself struggled for the first 5 years and the list goes on...
I'd like to hope so, but he doesn't look like a nan who's under pressure. I believe he's secretly been given the backing no matter how bad it gets this season, maybe even next.
This reminds me of Kagawa playing as a 10.
So much optimism before the game, I really felt today was a great chance to show the rest of the league what RVP, mata and rooney can do
Why to risk the next season after completely fecking up this season?
Genuine question, how do you think that we'll do next year if Moyes is still in charge?
I think the same. I reckon at this point the clubs position will be to give him next summer one way or another. If we continue along the lines of today, fail to make the CL, don't show improvement (or a combination of those) you never know.
I don't see Utd getting rid of him mid season but that's just my opinion.
Its nothing like 2005. Nothing. Acutally this opinion is so stupid that i dont feel the urge to.correct you.
Fergie had pedigree that Moyes could only dream of. The comparison is redundant.
I like your optimism, so am signing up to Team Popper.
I'm just a bit concerned that Mata obviously - like most people - believed he could help us qualify for the CL, and also, as champions, we don't seem to have players queueing up to sign for us - so why should we attract the best if we finish mid-table?
If finally address central midfield and left back then we will do much better. Seems pretty obvious.
Yeah I think everyone felt that way unfortunately the injury to Evans, and the bizarre replacement really cost us I think. We just had no midfield. It would have been interesting to see how things may have went if Carrick had been able to play a bit further forward and hopefully find those 3. Once he went to CB and Rooney to CM we just lost any grip we may have been able to get on the game.
It's not that obvious. The footballing system he has attempted to implement has failed. The issue goes much deeper than just having an average midfield.
According to 'Top R*ds (TM)", the "United Way (TM)" is to show blind faith in incompetent managers, or something.
He won't be sacked.... this club is all about blind support and not about performance
The only way in which he'll be sacked is if Ferguson or Bobby don't trust him anymore, otherwise they'll just let his contract run down if he doesn't improve for the next 6 years. We're in this nightmare for the long term.
He looks out of his depth at the moment, maybe the job is too big for him, or are the players not good enough or simply do not believe in him?
The transfer policy last summer was a disaster, and to be fair that's not all Moyes fault. That's why I think we need to see what we do next summer. If we bring in some of the names being bandied about (big if) then I'd be reasonable confident going in to next season.
It's very hard to be positive after today's performance but it's done now.
I felt we were well on the way to doing that though. But as usual this season it feel's like we've been cursed. The 2 injuries to Evans and Jones, the ridiculously jammy free kick... It's just an endless stream of bad luck. Hell even the weather supported Stoke today.
I don't think that it is that obvious but to each on their own opinion.
What do you mean by much better? Decent challenge for the fourth place or something more?
There is absolutely no way he's gonna survive the six years like this. No way.
A lot of bollocks about the footballing system. There's been so many injuries this season that most of the time the team picked itself, and the players have played the same roles they usually do.
2 years at most.
Its all of the above except for the players not being good enough. We know they are good enough based on what they did last year.
They'll get overruled by the Glazers if things don't improve. Unfortunately, I think that they'll buy him another year.
What do you mean a lot of bollocks?
Straight up his tactics have not worked.We will offer them lots of money
And bringing his burger flippers to manufacter the shoes..
I really still dont understand why he would clear out the staff. It really is similar to a manager at a smaller 3star hotel getting the step up to the job at the biggest 5star hotel in the country. Would this manager bring his staff from the smaller hotel? He wouldnt and he shouldnt. Clearing out the staff at a well oiled and well run machinery that the United coaching set up was, to make room for his own, less qualified people, was a shocking decision.
He won't be sacked, we have to get used to this. at least this will teach our spoiled fans to support the team and stop whining.
+ Januzaj and Mata.
I said it in jest. None of those mentioned seemed that out of their depth as Moyes is at the manager spot at the moment.
Mata was a different case because he was marginalized at Chelsea.
Its a long road back once you fall out of the UCL spots. If you think top level players are willing to come to a club without UCL football you are mistaken. Regardless of the size of club. Especially these days where PSG, City etc. can not only offer more money but also offer UCL football and trophy challenges.
Lets also not forget the shit climate that we have to offer.
Well, I'd always hope for United to challenge for the title.
I think that's a bit simplistic really. Without excusing Moyes in any way. The more I watch Utd this season the more I think we were carried by the likes of Carrick and RVP. For one reason or another they haven't been doing that this year and I think a lot of the other players have been shown up because of it.
It is the only way they can get rid of Moyes without sacking him. Face it there is nothing more important to the "true Manchester United fan" than not sacking coaches, apart from not listening to Fergie or Bobby. Since this club is about pleasing the "true Manchester United fans" they won't fire Moyes unless Fergie or Bobby tell them so.
Or unless the Glazers start feeling it in their pockets, than he is out as well.
And when he finally gets sacked, it will teach our top reds fans that they aren't more smart than others just because they think that blind faith even when all the signs don't support it, is the way to go forward.
I m convinced that our form will improve, although at this stage we might still miss 4th place.
Next summer will be the deciding factor imo - he ll be one year in the job and now the "stocktaking" period is gone, he must bring in the right players. If he fails to do so or the players he brings struggle to settle down, I think he ll be in deep trouble.
Needs to be backed with lots of money to rebuild the defence and central midfield. This team has been on the slide for years - just look how many average/past their best players we have.
Moyes isn't blameless but this is the result of penny pinching and not investing in proven quality for over a long period, which had nothing to do with Moyes and he's the one having to sort it...Mata is a great signing and hopefully a sign of things to come but there's there's much more to be done. Only after a heavy summer investment can Moyes be judged.
Moyes isn't blameless but this is the result of penny pinching and not investing in proven quality for over a long period, which had nothing to do with Moyes and he's the one having to sort it...Mata is a great signing and hopefully a sign of things to come but there's there's much more to be done. Only after a heavy summer investment can Moyes be judged.
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