Cue RvP tripping off the bus and missing the rest of the season.
Moyes So Far!
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Cue RvP tripping off the bus and missing the rest of the season.
Cleverley is one of the worst player who has weard United shirt in the last ten years or so.
Wanting to get rid of Moyes isn't Chelsea/City mentality. Is basically logic.
Just ask Mata how to play football.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...from-Old-Trafford-says-Sir-Alex-Ferguson.html
This is what frightens me.
This is what frightens me.
A lot of the Moyes Out! brigade on here didn't know what United was in 2005!
There's a lot of kids on here who've barely known a proper crappy season.
Make or break for them...
Won't happen, Mata seems to have taken Januzaj's place in the team with Young/Valencia always there.
Revan, thanks for responding, if you look at the stats for this season, you'll realise that we don't create as much as we have in the past, and I clearly put this down to moyes and his tactics, moyes, is clearly not an elite coach, fergie in his early years was given the opportunity to succeed, but the game has changed, look at city and Chelsea,
Our form since 1st Jan
L L L W L W(out on pens) W L
L L L W L W(out on pens) W L
It's like putting a Ferrari in charge of a McDonalds pit crew.
But seriously, when Moyes says "I don't know what I have to do", he's expressing his exasperation not actually saying that he doesn't know what to do.
But seriously, when Moyes says "I don't know what I have to do", he's expressing his exasperation not actually saying that he doesn't know what to do.
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I don't need to say anything more, the man make a case for himself. Out.
You may be right, but a lot of those know.
Have you ever witnessed more uninspiring 24 games from United? Even in 05 with a team full of Klebersons, Djemba x2, Miller, Bellion and co?
Lower half to relegation form that. We are actually getting worse as the season progresses.
Wouldnt change much would it? we tend to lose anyway.
Fergie chose him and in his goodbye speach he said to support the manager no matter what, that was the task for the supporters.
Hence questioning or critcising Moyes, let alone firing him is seen like an act against Fergie and is considered blasfimy by some. Its like a freaking cult...
That is the absolute worst part off this, the club and Fergie made a gigantic mistake, but they are too arrogant to admit it and would rather keep him on for 6 years and let him continue on this path than to do something about it. This club is royally fecked and will be well on their way to becoming the new Liverpool.
You are just the most awesome supporter. All hail Charleysurf!
What is it about the most ardent defenders of Moyes that compels them to constantly insult and belittle fellow fans for their views? It seems like you can't think that Moyes isn't the right man for Manchester United without being a spoiled brat who should support City or Chelsea, or whatever it is next time. I've never really liked this whole "top red" thing, but clearly some people consider themselves better fans than others.
In fairness, he was saying he'd be in the job for years to come last season knowing full well he was retiring at the end of it. Wouldn't take him at him word.
If a pass sends a player clean through who then fecks up his first touch is that a chance?
That remains to be seen. you cannot judge a manager on one season. It's not blasphemy but lack of common sense
As you are one of Moyes's staunchest supporters on here, what would worry you? Do you think that if we finish outside the CL spots that Moyes will be able to attract the names that he wants in the summer and even then make us competitive with City and Chelsea?
Sometimes you just talk proper shit. Nothing personal but its time to wake up.
This is the type of post that I fecking hate.
No need for the applause. Being a United fan is reward enough.
Everyone should respect Fergies decision (although in hindsight choosing a manager is not something that he would make a right call given rumours in the past). Every supported should back the club and its manager. That's what we can do really.
However it's clear that the manager is out of his league. Many were doubtful prior to his appointment, many are now.
Fergie in the hindsight has done things wrong in the past regarding bringing in players, tactical issues etc, but he was a winner and everybody makes mistakes. I don't think those years when Chelsea were winning that could be held against him, he proved to all that he's the man for the position and no player/players were bigger than him. Essentially he was the club, he wasn't only the manager.
Moyes will never be Ferguson in the same sense Fellaini won't be another Roy Keane. 24 games in the season and 6(possibly 9) points off the top four having walked the league the year before is not misfortune is total disaster.
Any executive director that manages to create a mess like that would lose his job..
Exactly. He should at least be given the summer to get things right. If he wastes another window though then the pressure he'll be under will be fully justified. If we haven't improved next season then I think most people will accept that his time is up.
I don't see the club or the fans seriously turning on him any time soon. My one worry would be if he loses the dressing room but there haven't been any real signs of that so far.
I 100% think he'd get it right in time BUT he needs to prove he's capable enough to be afforded that time and, simply, he isn't.
It wouldn't be as bad if we were playing well and losing, but we're not. The results match the performances and it isn't good enough.
It wouldn't be as bad if we were playing well and losing, but we're not. The results match the performances and it isn't good enough.
Well yeah, obviously he's using it as a turn of phrase to say he can't believe we lost again. But it's a fecking stupid thing to say:
1. Because it was bloody obvious why we lost
2. Because it doesn't read too well on paper does it? He's the least media-savvy manager since Hodgson.
He's a clown.
We singed Mata didn't we?
How much worse does it have to get before we sack him, do we reckon?
Here is what I see. Players who are not good enough and a team in need of restructuring. Moyes also has to take a lot of the blame. What is his philosophy what type of football does he want us playing? Fine the players aren't good enough but what is he trying to achieve with what he has, i'm not sure better players will do anything for him. These are the same payers who won the league last season and somehow every single one of them is having a worst campaign than last year bar De Gea. These lads are winners and I believe quality players only really play hard for managers who they respect managers who have won trophies, managers who have proven there methods bring results. Moyes for all his good work at Everton is not at that level. I don't think the players really respect him or are working their hardest.
Player discussion
Evra: out, he has been a liability for years. We need a top quality left back in the summer.
Rafael: Love his energy and passion but he's a loose cannon. I would the calmness, consistency and reliability we had at fullback when Neville and Irwin played there.
Rio: He's done
Vidic: He can stay around for his experience but I wouldn't expect him to start much next year.
Valencia: He has to go, he wasn't out there today. But he lacks the quality we need.
Cleverley: He is not as bad as he has been looking but he is a squad player at best
Young: Not good enough.
Player discussion
Evra: out, he has been a liability for years. We need a top quality left back in the summer.
Rafael: Love his energy and passion but he's a loose cannon. I would the calmness, consistency and reliability we had at fullback when Neville and Irwin played there.
Rio: He's done
Vidic: He can stay around for his experience but I wouldn't expect him to start much next year.
Valencia: He has to go, he wasn't out there today. But he lacks the quality we need.
Cleverley: He is not as bad as he has been looking but he is a squad player at best
Young: Not good enough.
He won't get sacked, he knows it as well.
Yeah I think we missed out on Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Bellion, Chadwick, Bebe etc. they should have been given at least 3 seasons playing as starters, you may never know they could be stars now...
Yeah, if we're doing badly in September/October then all bets are off.
I find it interesting he says I don't know what I have to do, not "we" have to do. And after signing Mata he said he would take responsibility by buying better players, basically saying its the players fault not his. Maybe reading too much into the things he says.
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