Wasn't he linked with the Schalke job at one point?
Moyes So Far!
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I was kinda aiming for what Mockney said. I'm optimistic about getting top four, but I think if we start picking up results and playing well but narrowly miss out we have to see that as a decent second half of the season and go on from there.
I don't think we can start calling for Moyes's head until at least 18 months in anyway (he needs another summer) but if we do end up getting top 4, I think it'd have to be seen as a great turn around on his part.
You could obviously argue we shouldn't have been in that particular fight to begin with, but it would definitely been seen as a Moyes success of sorts. And one that'd earn him a greater stay of execution.
Mostly though, I just want us to play well, and not look like we're managed by Mike Bassett.
You could obviously argue we shouldn't have been in that particular fight to begin with, but it would definitely been seen as a Moyes success of sorts. And one that'd earn him a greater stay of execution.
Mostly though, I just want us to play well, and not look like we're managed by Mike Bassett.
I have been extremely critical of Moyes management and I still think he has a long way to go before he can turn this ship around but buying Mata is definitely a step in the right direction.
Its good that we got our spirit back but we shall not forget that our general play has been awful in the last couple of weeks. A majority of our players have been underperforming, some of them look completely out of form and some just look they past their best. Apart from getting players in to form he also needs to shape up our defense, we can't continue like this if we still aspire to overtake the fourth place. I hold my thumbs that our new manager get a flying start with Mata and Co, he will need it, but we still lack quality in our midfield.
Its good that we got our spirit back but we shall not forget that our general play has been awful in the last couple of weeks. A majority of our players have been underperforming, some of them look completely out of form and some just look they past their best. Apart from getting players in to form he also needs to shape up our defense, we can't continue like this if we still aspire to overtake the fourth place. I hold my thumbs that our new manager get a flying start with Mata and Co, he will need it, but we still lack quality in our midfield.
Absolutely mate. A combination of two of those three should guarantee CL qualification which is all that matters now this season, IMO.
My one criticism of Moyes is that we've seen absolutely no improvement over the last six months. We are playing the same brand of boring, clueless even, football that we did back in late August.
If the results had still gone against us but we'd played some good solid quality football then I think people would be far less critical of Moyes than they have been.
Now though it's all about winning any way we can. Winning pretty, ugly, any way it comes. Not making the CL will be disastrous.
I have almost the complete opposite opinion. 
No reasonable United fan feels comfortable blaming our players - generally, they've given us so much success & pleasure; appear to always give 100%; and besides, they seem to be a likeable bunch of people (as far as pro footballers go, at least). So it isn't easy (or fair) to lump the entire blame on them and so, apparently, exonerate Moyes. We're at a puzzling stage where we have Champions often playing like anything but Champions and the reasons for these difficulties, I suspect, lie somewhere in the middle of the debate.
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Moyes needs to prove to the fans that he is capable of being the Manchester United manager. So far he's failed to do that. If he can turn things around and get this team playing good exciting football then I don't think that their is a United fan out there that wouldn't be willing to give him another season to prove himself (with or without CL).
I still cannot believe we are in this position. I didn't expect to win the Premier league this season but I wouldn't have in a million years have believed that we could fall out of the top four.
Many players have under performed but ultimately the manager has to take the blame for this.
I have almost the complete opposite opinion.
To be fair I do totally agree with you mate.
The last thing I want to see from United is the shit on a stick crap that Moyes' team has served up this season so far. Like all fans I watch football to be entertained.
However I would take shit performances till the end of the season if it meant us qualifying for the CL. IMO not qualifying would be utterly disastrous for us.
He has - there is no question about that. But if we take the "proof is in the pudding" approach here, it ain't fair to judge while the pudding is still half cooked. I think that is where many of our fans differ at the moment. How long does it take for a pudding to be done - to the extent that one can fairly judge how it tastes?
Feck. Fell into the analogy trap again.
That really is stupid nitpicking. It's attitude like that in which Moyes just can't seem to win. Some fans just seem to want him to fail. Not saying you want him to, but the aura of posts like that just sounds anti-supportive.
I think its become a little ridiculous that we as fans have divided in such a manner, United we stand and all that. As Steve says we aren't Moyes supporters in any sense other than he's the manager of the club we love and although there is evidence to suggest he isn't quite upto it, he has also shown a huge capacity for learning on the fly.
Regarding concerns for the future then I would have more concerns had we brought in someone like Mourinho, short term success is perfect unless actually remaing solvent is a problem you face. Moyes will get time and so it would seem money, his dithering and attention to detail could well be to our advantage long term even if it turns out the job is to much for him. He will bring in quality and has started, I don't care what anyone says about Marouane Fellani he is a better option than Anderson has been and likely Cleverley recently.
The managers set out sides that Ferguson himself would have picked, you could argue he has actually picked more wisely in his selections but the team itself is letting itself down on the pitch. I suppose this transfer window could shake that up, any doubts about his promise to bring in quality have already been quashed and if I was in that dressing room looking at where Anderson is I would be a rather worried man, especially when the like of Juan Mata is after my place and the managers out across Italy,Spain and Germany scouting my replacement.
Irwin's bullet points on how Moyes has proven people wrong are all truth and you can probably add more to that, his handling of the media has been excellent after a shaky start and also how he has handled this transfer window, both of which where pointedly remarked he was out of his depth, we'll yes he probably was given his previous club but how quickly he's turned that around is to his credit.
Regarding concerns for the future then I would have more concerns had we brought in someone like Mourinho, short term success is perfect unless actually remaing solvent is a problem you face. Moyes will get time and so it would seem money, his dithering and attention to detail could well be to our advantage long term even if it turns out the job is to much for him. He will bring in quality and has started, I don't care what anyone says about Marouane Fellani he is a better option than Anderson has been and likely Cleverley recently.
The managers set out sides that Ferguson himself would have picked, you could argue he has actually picked more wisely in his selections but the team itself is letting itself down on the pitch. I suppose this transfer window could shake that up, any doubts about his promise to bring in quality have already been quashed and if I was in that dressing room looking at where Anderson is I would be a rather worried man, especially when the like of Juan Mata is after my place and the managers out across Italy,Spain and Germany scouting my replacement.
Irwin's bullet points on how Moyes has proven people wrong are all truth and you can probably add more to that, his handling of the media has been excellent after a shaky start and also how he has handled this transfer window, both of which where pointedly remarked he was out of his depth, we'll yes he probably was given his previous club but how quickly he's turned that around is to his credit.
I'm not so sure. Our horrendous league performance and position has brought desperation and good performances ending with defeats would be no different to poor games we lose. Your perception alters when you're under pressure and you can be oblivious to any improvements. Just take the Chelsea game as an example. That was our best performance at the Bridge since winning there in UCL semi-final in 2011 and a good few years before that. Yet the opinions are just like after losing to West Brom at OT when we really did play like shit. Why? because we lost another game we could barely afford to lose.
I'd take that as a good end to the season. My expectation for us this season was to finish 3rd and compete in the title race, given Van Persie and Rooney have both been injured at times, if we can just start playing well, finishing 5th or 6th is no big deal to me. I'd give be backing Moyes another summer as long as I feel we're seeing an improvement on the pitch.
It's a pretty good one though to be fair.
The man needs a fair crack at the whip. He isn't Mourinho or Pellegrini, he hasn't managed a club of this size and expectation. This season hasn't been acceptable but from now on in it is all about progress, where United are going under him. He needs to start showing us what he is about. What is his grand plan? What is his philosophy? His big ideas? Where is his identity? He will be given more money in the summer to acquire his targets. If he spends 200 million, which is about what he probably needs, then one could reasonably expect to see some terrific football being played. A serious title challenge is a must next campaign, along with real progression in the Champions League. With the investment backing, more than enough time to assess his squad, and his players on board he must bring it all together.
He will be judged more on next season and the one following that, because he isn't going anywhere. The thing that does concern me more than anything is how long does the board feel is reasonable? Do they continue with blind faith or do they twist if there is no improvement? Personally I feel the end of the 2014-2015 season will be the reference point for the big decisions.
I like to think we are at the point we were in 05/06 season. If we can finish strongly and build on that during the summer pre-season, we can come back next season. Analogies are there: Young players maturing, bedding new player(s) in, working on our best 11, even if short-term for a start. Stick to our best players, hopefully avoid injuries and get that CL spot. Then it won't look as bad. We need one world-class/potentially world-class defender and one world-class cm. Make them click together and we should get a better picture next season.
The trouble for Moyes could have been worse, had he spent £100m in the summer and then attempted to gel new superstars into a team he knew nothing about aside for the 180 minutes a year he was around them. Then also attempting to bed himself in and familiarise with new surroundings, he's been extremely sensible IMO, bought in a solid player he knows well and attempted to strengthen our most obvious soft centre. You could argue we would be in better shape had he strengthened but now Moyes knows exactly what's required and where.
Good point mate.
That is a good analogy.
Moyes sounds very much a Manchester United manager in his Mata interview.
What a buzz this had created. Brilliant signing, brilliant player.
What a buzz this had created. Brilliant signing, brilliant player.
I guess he was hoping similar in the summer with Fabregas, but instead we ended up with Fellaini. I wonder how different this season would have been if we'd managed to close that deal.
Never been a fan of David Moyes...But feck me, his work ethic and dedication to his job is outstanding and amazing!!
Great signing, great timing and hopefully this is the making of him here.
Great signing, great timing and hopefully this is the making of him here.
Yeah I agree. The money is certainly there for him and with the Mata signing I now genuinely believe we were in for Fabregas but it just wasn't to be for whatever reason. Clearly a frustrating summer. Was nice to hear in the interview that when he was asked about Mata he said he wants to play exciting football and there are plenty more signings like him to come.
Exciting stuff.
The main difference here is that it seems that Mata forced the deal, much like Van Persie did also. As good a signing as Fabregas would have been, I would much prefer to have a player who really wants to play for us.
Yeah I agree, what I mean is I think this deal proves to everyone that Moyes was in for the players mentioned in the summer, money wasn't the issue there were other factors we had little control of.
Yep, I think the Glazers wanted the marquee signing too for the post SAF era, they just went for the wrong players and it was too late at the end to get an alternative.
What exactly is a Man United manager? Looking at Fergie's career it wasn't about the way we played. Since '08 we've been clamouring for more exciting football but, that's not been the norm. Truth be told I haven't seen football pre-Fergie at United - so can't really judge what makes a Man United manager based on those before Fergie.
To me there are other qualities I value in what makes a Man Utd manager before exciting football. The manager must
1) Instill confidence - right now to me Moyes seems to be failing.
2) Be able to manage big stars - He is excelling IMO
3) Be able to bring through youth - 50/50 because the handling of Zaha/Fabio to me is a bit puzzling but, then there is Janujaz
4) Able to throw caution to the wind and go for the win and/or kill games off - 60/40 so far this season. He's tried it on occasion but, a lot of times it's come too late or just not got the team playing with that intensity when required.
5) Ability to convince top players to come to United. I am not sure Ferguson was that great at it, maybe he just didn't really try, but, he didn't need to either. But, any manager going forward is going to have to be able to do that as no one will ever come close to Fergie in being able to get by with "not world class" yet make world beating teams. With Mata he has made a good start but, the rumblings of Fergie/Gills involved, he'll need to make at least 1 or 2 more to convince on that front.
Playing exciting football will come naturally because that is really what Moyes and the club want but, to me all that I want from the rest of this season is to see him lift the confidence of the players and stop backing down to teams. Even if we don't play exciting football - if he can do that much then it will show he is able to do the most important of things - which is to be an inspirational leader that the players will fight for.
This is picking up from some tweets Bearded Genuis just made about Moyes quotes today.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...e=twitter&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd
Those two bolded statements are simply excellent. He's fecking dead right that it's not been good enough from the vast majority of our squad. In fact some of what we've seen from the players has been nothing short of pathetic. Of course he needs to shoulder some of the blame but that's for another discussion. Here he's putting it up to them not, he came in and gave them a chance to impress, a hell of a lot of them either weren't good enough or didn't try enough and now he needs to get better players. Hopefully this very outward obvious threat will give some of those who can step up the impetus to do so for the rest of the season. I'd say a lot of players are looking at their final 4/5 months as United players.
Last chance saloon.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...e=twitter&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd
Those two bolded statements are simply excellent. He's fecking dead right that it's not been good enough from the vast majority of our squad. In fact some of what we've seen from the players has been nothing short of pathetic. Of course he needs to shoulder some of the blame but that's for another discussion. Here he's putting it up to them not, he came in and gave them a chance to impress, a hell of a lot of them either weren't good enough or didn't try enough and now he needs to get better players. Hopefully this very outward obvious threat will give some of those who can step up the impetus to do so for the rest of the season. I'd say a lot of players are looking at their final 4/5 months as United players.
Last chance saloon.
What I hope is these comments actually spur a few of the current squad members on.
I imagine the likes of Kagawa, Hernandez, Cleverley, Young and possibly Nani if he is legitimately injured and returns, are all playing for their futures because ultimately they're the ones who have been out of the team after they've had a poor game. I'd add Valencia to the list but they seem to love him.
I imagine the likes of Kagawa, Hernandez, Cleverley, Young and possibly Nani if he is legitimately injured and returns, are all playing for their futures because ultimately they're the ones who have been out of the team after they've had a poor game. I'd add Valencia to the list but they seem to love him.
Great words to hear from Moyes. And he's dead right, everyone has basically been given a chance to show what they can do and I'm sure he is forming the same conclusions that most of the fans are, we know the ones who haven't performed and need shipping out and I'm confident he'll do it.
I honestly think he's been shocked by just how crap some of the fringe players here are.
I honestly think he's been shocked by just how crap some of the fringe players here are.
Good to hear what he had to say. He's right about most of it. Hopefully he clears off the deadwood and gets real quality in. Even before that, hopefully he makes some changes into how we play, surely can happen now that we have Mata.
Fair fecks to him for them comments. He's dead right too. Some of the players are bang average and simply not good enough to play for Manchester United. I still worry about finding buyers for some of our shite to be honest, with the wages they'd be on.
I like the part where he says ''better players''. He's being perfectly honest and basically says that some of the players are just not good enough. Brilliant to hear/read.
We mostly let players go for the cheap and if we don't renew their contract they have no choice but to settle for less wages at other clubs wouldn't worry about that tbh.
Our agents at Hull & Cardiff should be able to help out.
Other clubs don't want to pay bigger fees for fringe players that have been underperforming for quite a while mostly because of their big wages. There's a wage budget too so we have no choice but to let them go for minimal feels, just like we did with Saha and others.
He's making some brilliant comments right now. Just needs to make sure things change on the pitch to go with it.
It's nice to hear him being so definitive as opposed to using the word 'hope' every other sentence.
It's nice to hear him being so definitive as opposed to using the word 'hope' every other sentence.
Nice to hear. Its almost like he's taken a stock of the squad this past week and has been given the green light to be ruthless about the squad rebuild.
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