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Moyes So Far!
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Don't think of it as losing. That's too negative. Think of it as being unlucky. It's what Moyes does.
If you think Moyes hasn't been hit with a huge dose of ill-luck since his appointment, you're living in cuckoo-land.
He lives in cuckoo-land like a hell of a lot of people.
He has had horrific luck, not getting the ref's decisions Fergie got, injuries, not getting the players he wants. Players bottling penalty shootouts.
Yeah been terrible bad luck when all but 1/2 players have been playing shit all season.
Where do we stand in the "if the woodwork counted as goals" unlucky table?
Yeah, having United's best players injured for so long is super good luck.
If it isn't luck it's usually the referee.
I think we're paying for our sins in a former life.
I know SAF and the coaching staff left, but these are grown men, not primary school children. If they aren't adaptable now they will never be.
What a harsh way to say we need a new squad.
No-one is saying that Mockney. We're just saying that things have gone against us, but shit happens. How we react to that will be the definition of the man and his time here.
Well I don't think Moyes has reacted well to adversity so far if we are being honest. For all the constant talk of luck..
I think he's been lucking awful. Hopefully some of the players will start to give a luck now. Otherwise we've luck all chance of the top 4.
In what way has he reacted badly? (apart from the results)
He's kept as positive as possible, he's went out and bought a star of a player, he's scouring Europe looking for more recruits.
I think that might be the problem with the wingers we bought, we have always had out and out wingers and as Mata doesn't suit how Jose wants to play, our wingers are not suiting how Moyes wants to play. Also the midfield is getting overrun, so it is making the defence look bad. It is a knock on effect.
You can't ignore the results because it's a results business at the end of the day. But the football has been consistently terrible and I don't think he's ever been effective in motivating the squad to believe in him.
I do think he's reacted well in terms of the targetting players. But he has just spent £65m net spend, so he can't hide behind that.
Meh, I think too many of the players are proving to be not up for the challenge and need to be moved on. In those circumstances I'd back the manager. The football has been shite for nigh on 4 seasons now and is only marginally worse this season than last.
Luck is overrated.
And no the football has been far worse than last season. It was unattractive last season but produced great results. This season it's been dogshite.
Basically Moyes has been quite rubbish so far. And he hasn't been unlucky. Hopefully he gets us to 4th and turns it around. He always had the players to do it and he's just added a brilliant footballer to that.
And no the football has been far worse than last season. It was unattractive last season but produced great results. This season it's been dogshite.
Basically Moyes has been quite rubbish so far. And he hasn't been unlucky. Hopefully he gets us to 4th and turns it around. He always had the players to do it and he's just added a brilliant footballer to that.
See I think that's subjective point of view. I think the football is significantly worse than previous seasons. We were comparing the football in previous seasons to the top teams, now we're comparing it to mid table clubs in the league.
While the players have to take some of the blame, we'll see a few of them leave in the summer. If nearly all players are proving to be terrible or not up to the challenge then it's the manager who has to take the buck. Since he's either not capable of finding a system that works for the players he has or isn't able to motivate them. If he is picking players who aren't up to the challenge then that too is a criticism for him since he prepared to pick players who just aren't capable.
Yeah. But he's looking for really good players. A clear sign of incompetence - even I know Vidal would be a half decent signing. And then there's his despondent look when we lose. He should be laughing maniacally. But he should not smile during post match interviews - that's where he should be despondent, always admitting that we're shite. And he definitely should not say that he's hopeful of turning it around - that's the worst, the very worst of it.
In fact he should stop doing interviews altogether - and he should stop going after players too. Until he's sorted out that positive-negative smiling despondency of his.
Agree the reaction to his comments are OTT, but he doesn't inspire any confidence through them. That's not his responsibility though, his responsibility is to inspire confidence in the players and we're seeing the complete opposite there.
If this transfer gets fecked up somehow he will get some mighty abuse
For no fault of his.
I disagree about the football but as you said it's subjective. No-one could argue that last season our style of football was akin to City or Arsenal at their best. Even Liverpool last season played better football than us. We're still being compared to those teams.
As for the players I agree with you to a point, but when so many of the senior players seem incapable of putting in even a half decent performance, from last seasons 2 CBs Rio and Vidic, Last seasons best midfielder, Carrick, Last seasons RB is a different player this season. These are experienced players who should be able to perform to some adequate level and they are playing shit. That's not down to the manager imo. Then Rooney and RvP are a different case. RvP has been injured and Rooney is out performing last season so does Moyes get the credit for that?
So true.I don't think we are being compared to those teams least not City or Arsenal. At this moment we are being regularly outplayed by the likes of Sunderland (who let's face it were pretty unlucky themselves midweek) and Swansea.
Moyes is getting credit for Rooney who is playing for the shop window and Januzaj but those are small points compared to the nearly all players playing awful. I don't think THAT is down to luck, it's down to a manager who can't motivate his players.
This seasons football has been way more shite then last season, it's not even debateable. Just compare the stats from lat season, where we still controlled games and always had a lot more possession and way more shots, compared to this season where the opposition is consistently outplaying us on our own pitch. It's not a one time thing either, it's happened week after week. With Rooney and Rvp coming back and mata in, it would be an embarrassment for moyes if he doesn't improve the football and get top 4. We're only 6 points behind which at this stage is virtually nothing. I think we will though, I mean with our squad, top 4 has to be an absolute minimum for any manager if they think they have any hope of succeeding here. To make it worse, he's shown no signs of actually changing our play for the better. The only difference going forward from last season was that now we cross it into the box on every single opportunity, whereas last season we at least varied it up occasionally. I just don't think he's good enough, confident enough, or has the mind to be a manager at a top team and to have us playing good football.
I don't get how people keep saying Sunderland outplayed us or were unlucky. They had zero decent chances in 2 hours of football including their goal. We had countless chances to finish the game off and we shouldn't have even had to worry so much if it wasn't for terrible reffing in the first leg. Even during the week they should have had countless players booked earlier in the game which would have had an effect.
Sunderland didn't outplay us.
Sunderland had a greater deal of possession and controlled large parts of the game against a team much better than them on paper. If it weren't a Smalling masterclass at the back they probably would have done a lot better when we had our backs against the wall. They were unlucky because our best player in Smalling probably should have been sent off and they also misses penalties as well since that counts as bad luck for us as well.
And we were unlucky because Borini could have easily been sent off for the exact same type of lunge Vidic was sent off for the game before.
It's an odd point to make that if we didn't have our best player playing as well as he did the other team would have done better.
1) The possession was 50/50 for most of the game (which isn't good enough). As the game went on we dropped and they were pushing for an equaliser as always happens in these games so of course they ended up with slightly better possession but that was skewed by the extra time and us defending a lead.
2) Smalling got to the ball and cleared it, albeit badly, before the Sunderland player ran into him. Was never a free kick let alone a red card.
I never mentioned the pens. They weren't bad luck, just shite.
That wasn't my point. I was just countering why Sunderland didn't make any chances even though they had the greater deal of play.
Vidic shouldn't have been sent off in the previous game. Rafael should have been though and if I had to pick one player out of those two that I'd rather have suspended it would be Vidic given his form this season.
I don't think we were 'outplayed', I think that's just an exaggeration based on how poor we were. What I saw was a fairly level match but that in itself was inexcusable given the opposition we were against, the stadium we were in, and the way the players acted on the pitch.
Correct. We did have a load of clear cut chances to put the game to bed too though which is often forgotten.
Fair point. I guess over the course of the 120mins we weren't outplayed. I just think Sunderland were really shit and it was hard to believe how much they were on top of us in extra time. Strangely they also did their very best in ensuring we went through as well, just never looked like being good enough to capitalise on it.
This is just total BS. "majority of players only bought to play one style of football", "We need to move away from that style and that type of player". You aren't doing Moyes any good, when you support him using those reasons.
How is it wrong? Midfielders who can't go through the middle, wingers who only run down to the byline, centrehalfs who only go long.
People have been complaining about our style of football for seasons now, but not to the same extent because we were winnng things.
Is Moyes tactic and style is too good for Vidic, Smalling, Jones, De Gea, Rooney, RvP, Carrick, Rafael, Welbeck or even Valencia and Cleverly?
How many of those players you listed have performed anywhere near up to the desired level this season?
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