Think it's more of a board decision.
Moyes So Far!
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Think it's more of a board decision.
Can't picture him lifting the Champions League or Prem title, but then again Avram Grant almost managed the double and of course Di Matteo lifted the CL. So who knows.
Oh yes, could be. He could be, you are right. Let's hope so. Mind you, if Powell turns out to be the best signing we ever made that would be great too.
There's 16 games left and RvP is out for another month. I'm not sure that we'll be able to keep all three fit for every game from there on and we're already playing catch up.
I love me some Powell.
Then again I love me some Zaha and Fellaini so what the feck do I know?
The interest has to stem from the manager, that's how it works. Its a no brainer that Mata is quality but still.
Zaha could be the best thing that ever happened to Cardiff City.
I know you're one of Moyes' bigger fans, but even you must have your doubts if he fails to get us playing well and can't at least cut the gap between us and a tiring Liverpool side? Even if it's just Mata and Rooney fit?
If we havent started to look a lot better than we do now by the end of the season Im going to be miserable as feck over the summer. Outwardly Ill be saying we should see what next season brings, give him at least till December, but inside Ill be absolutely terrified about what next season holds in store.
But I dont think itll come to that because I think we will see an improvement.
But I dont think itll come to that because I think we will see an improvement.
I've been perfectly cleal all along what I want from this season. We haven't seen it up to now, but this is a clear indicator imo of how he's going to go forward. We needed to get some players in and he's started to do that in style. Massive questions were being asked by all of Moyes detractors about his ability to attract top signings, I think that's been answered in some style. The next question was results and playing style. We need to see a drastic improvement in recent results and I expect to. Will it be enough to pip top 4? I hope so but it'll be tough. As for playing style, Mata is a great start, get him along with out 2 top players firing and the style has to return.
I'd hope for top four, but if we see a definite improvement in style and results then I'll be satisfied to give him another season.
"Agreed, if he fails to get top four with Mata, van Persie and Rooney all fit then he is a poor manager."
That's what you said. It's just not true when he'll probably have <10 games with all 3 together.
I want him to be the best thing that happened to us though.
£37m for someone of Mata's quality is normal in today's market so I don't know why the fee is being questioned. I think it's bang on the value. Fabregas was about £35m wasn't he, Hazard £32m, Ozil £42m. This is normal. Every other top club pays these fees now and again to sign proven quality.
He may not start much for Spain regularly but he is a world class player.
He may not start much for Spain regularly but he is a world class player.
A much taller order to be fair.
Fair enough, I expect some improvement in football anyway. We've had over half a season of tumescent and shite football, this is the worst United side I've seen, footballing wise. I've made it clear I don't expect constant success, I can live with that. But feck me, the least Moyes could do is have us play some sort of progressive and attractive football. Especially after spending close to £40 million on Mata. I follow Ireland already, need my fix of attractive football for feck sake. And this remains my main concern with Moyes, the shite football.
Yeah, and a very unrealistic one. Lets hope he can have a great career here and go from there.
Agreed, Mock. Adding almost 70m worth of talents to this squad, and getting 4th shouldn't be celebrated as a success for him. It should be the borderly minimum expectation.
Everton played nice football in his last few seasons and if we can have a philosophy close to that with better players we could be on a winner. I agree that the football this season has been shite but in terms of attractiveness to watch it's only been a minor step down on last season.
He was never my first choice ,but i've always said that he should be given the chance of another full season regardless of what happens in this one.
He will never fecking win with some on here
One player been out injured and not settles in yet while the other comes in with 16 games to play while we are already 6 points and 15 odd goals off the pace.
Minimum expectation though. Yip....
Probably true yeah. For all my criticism of him, which has been warranted in my opinion, I'd still stick with him. Need to see improvements though, we really do. We've digressed enough, time to start picking up.
Isn't it sort of ... Moyes fault we are 6 points and 15 goals off the pace though, anyway?
Because United had never had long list of injury when still challenging for the titles before, had we?
But this argument would run in circle. Just need to see the bigger picture, and you have to admit, that 4th place shouldn't be celebrated as much as a success to Moyes, after spending near 70m (without selling any star player).
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Anyway, he's at the Mönchengladbach Bayern match tonight. Any idea who he'd be looking at?
Your point was about the adding of 70m of talent to the squad which up to this moment has been completely irrelevant.
I think we all know that this squad is much weaker than last season and we were going to fall behind a bit with Fergie gone anyway. Sure we should be higher up the table, and Moyes has to take a lot of the blame for that, but the addition of Mata and Fellani with 16 games left shouldn't be considered the defining factors.
You guys were linked to both Patrick Herrmann (RW) and Max Kruse (CF) in the last few days by the German media. There was also a bit about Dante, but this is very likely only name dropping for him to get a better contract.
Up to this moment? Yes, it's irrelevant. Because I thought we're talking about 4th place at the end of season?
Cheers, I'd imagine we're looking at Mönchengladbach player's rather than Bayern's. We could do with a winger...
OK, so then that goes to my original post in response. The 70m of new players (2 players) are only really going to start at all with 15/16 games remaining with a 6.5 point deficit. So gaining 6.5 points over a team who are having their best season in years over 16 games max is a minimun requirement?
I agree that we shouldn't be below 4th, but in this case the purchase of these two players will have very little bearing on it if we miss out which was your original point.
I did say COULD BE....No, that would be Ole.
No, I cant dig myself out of this one, of course you are right, it isnt even up for debate.
Well my point didn't mention getting top four, actually! I said now that we've spent this top dollah on a top players, he should no longer be exempt from criticism if we're still playing dogshit football, which I think is fair, because up until now the main defense people have had for us playing poor is that he hasn't had a chance to bring in his own players and it's Fergie's team, not his, etc. Really with Mata here and assuming we get RvP and Rooney back and fit, if we're still playing horrid football, I'll be very, very worried.
The top four point was to Isotope.
As for the rest of your post, yeah if we are still playing shit football and dragging out wins against mediocre teams with our best player fit then I too will be worried. Couldn't agree more about that.
Well, the 27m pound man has started earlier; and not much of a miss, anyway.
Just stating the obvious, 4th place means there are 4 teams in it. We don't actually have to be the best, but just the 4th best team in the league. Which still a bit depressing, if we count that as a success.
So, if Liverpool buy a 35m worth of player this transfer window, are you saying that is a good excuse of us to maybe not getting 4th?
I don't normally watch the German League at all, but i think i should be tuning into this with Moyes being at the game. Would be good to catch out some players as well and his supposedly transfer targets
Where and how would I be saying that? People on this forum have a remarkable ability to put 2+2 and make 467.
Fellaini has been playing through an injury and has struggled to settle in an underperforming side without it's best players. That is temporarily excusable. Spurs, Chelsea, City all spent more than us last summer, Everton did more business, Liverpool strengthened too. As I said we should have enough to be top four and some shitty results have fecked up up, but be under no illusions that other teams have strengthened more than we have so getting there isn't as easy as you'd like it to be.
How will he deal with being the third most popular manager at Old Trafford on Tuesday? (Assuming Sir Alex is in attendance.)
Same as he did when he was at Stamford Bridge last week going by half of the pricks on here.
It could be that the players we have are unwilling or unable to adapt to new formation. If either, get your own players in who can play the way you want. There was always a chance that if we got a manager who wanted to alter the way we play there could be problems and it would take time to adapt.
Losing isn't a great way to be "dealing with it".
I've said that from the start DT. The majority of the players we have at the club have been bought to play one style of football and that's reflected in everything they do on the pitch. We need to move away from that style of play and that type of player. Mata is the start of it.
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