How does one root against the coach but for the team?
Moyes So Far!
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How does one root against the coach but for the team?
General observation: There are far more people in the "Moyes is shite, Scottish and he wears cardigans" camp than in the "Moyes is infallible and godlike" camp. Then there are plenty of good, hard-working people in both the "I wanted Maureen and Moyes has done nothing so far to prove me wrong" camp and the "Let's be reasonable and give the man some time" camp.
That is all.
That is all.
I feel a song coming on....
Which real World do you live in, I reckon 3 months probationary period is pretty standard in most 'executive' jobs, 6 months at the outside.
A woman said to me at work today
'that David Moyes, he just doesn't give you any confidence as a leader. I just think that he looks like a grievance councilor or something'
'that David Moyes, he just doesn't give you any confidence as a leader. I just think that he looks like a grievance councilor or something'
Having David Moyes as a grievance counselor must be pretty close to the most depressing thing in the world.
He looks like someone you would be grieving over.
I can root for the team but still have my reservations regarding the coach. People who want the best for the team they support will certainly not keep quiet when it comes to justifiably expressing their views that Moyes at United is nothing but a mismatch. A club of this size and importance should be no ones personal 'training and learning ground'. Football has long become a business in which you get paid for achieving certain goals and objectives. We laugh at Chelsea because they keep on firing their coaches every single year but you have to give them one thing, their objectives are set to such a high standard that anything but a trophy is considered a failure! We at United have all of a sudden adopted a mentality "if we finish fourth, that would be a great result". I reckon loads of Moyes supporters would even stick to him if we finish 5th or 6th. If that's our new standard, if that's what we're settling for, then I'd say we have definitely chosen the perfect coach.
Not indefinitely. Not as our new normal level. Just for one season, following the departure of SAF.
He needs to exchange his staff and implement a continental style in order to adapt and change our horrible style
Don't be ridiculous. You don't stop supporting your team only because the board appoints a bad coach.
But that's exactly where all the risk is. We need to finally understand that there is a possibility that Moyes is generally and objectively not a good coach, not after three, six or even 12 months. What if Moyes just cannot do better? What if 'average' is just about the highest he can achieve. There has to be some measurable criteria by which we should be able to discern whether he's is good or not. I just think that based on his history at Everton and his half year at United, he is and always will be average. He might be very good for the expectations of a mid-table club, fair enough, but only average for any top club. I mean seriously, do we really believe that anyone at Chelsea, City, Arsenal, etc would have want him as a coach? Why are we then settling for this?
Never mind the baltics.
If he can't do better then we fire him. But what if he can? He needs time to prove it one way or the other.
Precisely. Showing a wee bit of patience (after having been stuffed with incredible success for decades) isn't the same as accepting mediocrity. Some of our fans seem incapable of patience. They also seem terrified of being left behind in the dust forever if we have to go through a bit of a rough patch. Unless our owners do something very crazy that isn't going to happen. We'll bounce back - whether it be with Moyes or not.
A question to everyone: is 4th really that different from 2nd? If we end the season without winning a trophy, but secure CL football, will it be at all different from the 10/11 season were we won sweet FA but came second and only lost on GD? I mean winning is winning at the end of the day.
The difference with 4th is the CL qualifying games which are a pain in th arse.
This is got nothing to do with patience as I was against his appointment from the start. So it's not that I have now run out of patience - I actually would have not given him one day at the club as I did not believe that he is a good coach for us. That's the point I'm trying to make. Obviously, if he stays and succeeds, then I would have been completely wrong in my judgement.
Ahh, yes very true I had forgotten all about them. 4th would present its only problems then as we could be knocked out before we even get into the group stages, haha. I guess it could lead to a stronger charge for the title, though. Either way, 4th is a must.
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I was surprised we appointed him because I didn't think we'd even look at someone who hasn't managed a big club - as if replacing Fergie wasn't hard enough. I was certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but things have gone so badly and so quickly, far worse than I ever imagined, that by December I returned to my original position. I'll be happy to show patience to the right man. I just don't think he's that man.
That's fair enough. The question is what you do as a fan when your man isn't appointed. Bang on about the new man not being up to the task - or give the poor bastard a chance? I don't know. People are different. I just think too many have concluded too soon that Moyes is out of his depth. We're only half a season into our first SAF-less term for over a quarter of a century.
The way I see it Moyes will get the boot if he doesn't deliver. I'm not worried about that. He won't ruin us for eternity if it should turn out that he isn't cut out for the job.
That's incredibly obvious. As it is, we still don't know if he is or isn't.
He wasn't my pick either. But he was SAF's pick and I trust his judgement.
Raymond Verheijen has been treating twitter to more of his wonderful insights. 
Raymond Verheijen has been treating twitter to more of his wonderful insights.
He's on par with Joey Barton. An absolute pest.
Raymond Verheijen has been treating twitter to more of his wonderful insights.
He's called Moyes a nobody and that his back room staff are losers. But can anyone recall who Verheijen even is? What has he ever done?
Well... Some might say he has a point there.
He keeps repeating himself too. Seems obsessed with Moyes (and United).
As much as we'd all like to think otherwise, even SAF got things wrong. He's a world class coach, possibly the best ever, but that doesn't mean that he can pick his successor and everything will pan out fine, like some fairytale.
Early evidence suggests that we've made a bit of a blunder with the appointment, hopefully things get better, but the 'SAF picked him' argument is growing a bit thin IMO.
SAF got plenty wrong when it came to transfers in the last few years, so it wouldn't surprise me at all for him to get our manager pick wrong as well. As annoying as Verheijen is, he is right when he says if we got someone strong like Mourinho in, SAF's role influence at the club would be low
That's all true. But since we did appoint him I'm of the opinion we should see the decision through, give him the chance to prove himself, and vindicate SAF. At least we'll know.
What helps me feel relaxed about this is I expected things to be pretty bad whoever came in. Maybe not this bad. But I always thought the transition would be painful. So this season hasn't felt out of the blue to me. And it doesn't prove to me Moyes isn't up to it.
You do realise that the manager is the teams leader, yes ? Your entitled to your opinion but being unsupportive of the manager quantifies as being unsupportive of the team, you do also realise it's the team that are losing games and putting in performances unfit of the shirt ? Like I said plenty of teams out there, pick one and maybe stand by it rain or shine and that of course includes the team leader. A full half of a season we have listened to cheap shots from our own supposed fanbase, a full HALF season lmfao pmsl wtf and all that shit.
I'm of the same mindset, thought we'd be around 4th and that's without any injuries to key men.
People form opinions quickly but it's for to soon to have a qualified opinion. If we'd had our key men all season so far then the concerns wold be more valid.
If we are still playing like this when we have Chevrolet plastered over the kit then we'll be the at the wrong end of every joke for years.
When Fergie made his comments about supporting Moyes, in there were indications that Fergie himself expected a rough ride, knowing the looming squad issues.
Last thing you wanna do in a World Cup year is finish 4th. As you'd have to bring players back early.
And I'd know where I'd rather finish between 2nd and 4th.
Apparently, Moyes has said that he will lead United to glory in Europe next year, even if he has to write the song himself. That's positive.
CL qualifying tend to happen after the 1st round of PL, so that's not a big issue, getting that 4th place is.
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