He can feck off as far as I'm concerned...An 18 year old, inexperienced, misses a penalty, he's there in tears and his manager fecks off down the tunnel like a surely wanker!
Fantastic man management!!
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Moyes So Far!
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I've already said, ultimately the buck stops with Moyes. But leaving that aside, look at the players on the pitch tonight and tell me if you think they didn't let themselves down in terms of passion, leadership, desire and determination... on the pitch players have the responsibility to show those things, if they do everything else can be forgiven, poor play, bad decisions, lack of talent.... on the flip side, you can have all the talent in the world but if you don't have a pair of bollocks, pride in the shirt thats on your chest and a desire to give the fans something then you're better off somewhere else IMO.
A manager will carry the can over the long term based on results and tactics.. As far as the players are concerned I don't care what tactics they're given or system they're asked to play, their job is to get out there and do it to the best of their ability while showing all those other qualities above.... thats whats missing from a lot of our performances this season IMO.
Thats not excusing management in any way either.
He got absolutely abandoned by that lot out there. If the players are mentally fragile then get rid and move on. There's no-one on the pitch beside Darren Fletcher who takes responsibility. You can blame Moyes all you want but the amount of individual errors and cowardice at display, time after another, is down to weak, untrained mentally that is best off elsewhere if we are to move forward.
Do we really need some post Sir-Alex-avantgarde tactics to beat Sunderland at home? Or any of the other teams who have defeated us this year? Do we need some sophisticated 4-Lahm-5-Götze inter-changing tactics conducted by Pep Guardiola to beat these teams? What happened to our players taking responsibility and fecking shove one up other teams' arses? None of it exists right now and it's Moyes who has to take the beating regardless of who is at fault, it seems. What's up with the Skewed criticism?
We want players pressing but we complain about quality to do so. We can't sit deep either, because we lack quality to do so. We can't cross, because we lack quality to do so. We can't score because we lack quality to do so. I understand, the manager has to inspire and try to work out the knots but Jesus Christ are you that handicapped as a professional footballer earning millions and playing in front of 75,000 people every other week, that you constantly need hand-holding to perform well? I'd take a hard look at myself and question what I'm doing at a club like Manchester United if I'd strolled about like some of our players have the past year.
Long time since I went on rant like this, but hey, we all need to release the pressure from time to time.
Do we really need some post Sir-Alex-avantgarde tactics to beat Sunderland at home? Or any of the other teams who have defeated us this year? Do we need some sophisticated 4-Lahm-5-Götze inter-changing tactics conducted by Pep Guardiola to beat these teams? What happened to our players taking responsibility and fecking shove one up other teams' arses? None of it exists right now and it's Moyes who has to take the beating regardless of who is at fault, it seems. What's up with the Skewed criticism?
We want players pressing but we complain about quality to do so. We can't sit deep either, because we lack quality to do so. We can't cross, because we lack quality to do so. We can't score because we lack quality to do so. I understand, the manager has to inspire and try to work out the knots but Jesus Christ are you that handicapped as a professional footballer earning millions and playing in front of 75,000 people every other week, that you constantly need hand-holding to perform well? I'd take a hard look at myself and question what I'm doing at a club like Manchester United if I'd strolled about like some of our players have the past year.
Long time since I went on rant like this, but hey, we all need to release the pressure from time to time.
Should've kissed and started breastfeeding him.
What exactly do some of you think the manager's job is? I have seen him absolve of all blame over here. Is he just along for the ride? To occasionally give his steely glare and press bites? Its his job to make the players perform, if he cant get a good performance from the same team which SAF led to premier league titles then he is obviously not a capable replacement for the man.
Oh do sod off will you. Like him or not, Moyes management of Januzaj has been one of the few high points so far.
lolwut?
The worst part is there's not one thing that's changed with the way we play, not one positive thing. You'd think he's got an idea of how his team should play. You'd think he has some sort of philosophy, some sort of understanding of the game.
Maybe that's it, maybe this United is his vision. It could be, he's dour enough to actually enjoy this shite.
Maybe that's it, maybe this United is his vision. It could be, he's dour enough to actually enjoy this shite.
What?
Do you think Fergie wouldn't go down to the tunnel? It's also down to the leaders in the team to pick up players.
He needs to stop being so fecking negative... as well as stick to his fecking convictions. At one point, Young stripped down and was ready to come on, but then he didn't... for whatever reason. (not that that's a bad thing mind...)
He just seems so cautious about everything... come on Dave, fecking go for it man.
He just seems so cautious about everything... come on Dave, fecking go for it man.
Wasn't it due to injuries? I think that Büttner got injured then, so Evra had to be subbed in in front of Young and then Carrick done his ankle few minutes later.
Yep, thats the one, I was sure he was going to be off for it.
Eyepopper's doing his best impression of Comical Ali in this thread.
Someone really should point out to him if we really go for it and lose he will get far more respect/support than sitting on stuff and still losing.
Pretty much yeah
Aye at this moment I'd sack him for the negative football rather than just the poor results.
Yeah feck it lads, that asian lad is walking through our midfiled but feck it, push as high as you can and press for another goal... its not as if you've been running around playing a match at the top level for over an hour and half or anything... what could go wrong...
Do people never remember us defending 1 goal leads under Fergie? Christ I have memories of watching us in the late stage of games with a slender lead playing so deep De Gea was furthest man forward.
The thing with Moyes is, I have no idea what his philosophy is or what he's trying to build over here. Our football is so bad week after week and there is no improvement in anyway, infact its getting worse. One week it is zombie passing another it is cross after cross of hitting the first man.
Ah like the way when Scholes missed a penalty against Arsenal in 2005? The time Fergie and big bad Roy Keane went over and supported him?
What a fecking shit season this has been. I'm not gonna get on Moyes back tonight, the poor bastard really deserves a bit of luck. The player's let him down tonight. Confidence is absolutely rock bottom, we need Mata for the lift more than anything.
The fecking daft thing is - the one time, one sodding time we should actually have been negative this season was as soon as Fabio got sent off against Swansea. Carrick should have been on in an instant and we should have shut-up shop... but we didn't even fecking do that!
I still have no idea what we are doing on the training ground. Are we practising any moves or off the ball runs?
He also seems to be incapable of inspiring us after a defeat.
Hows that? By saying our players lacked any sort of bollocks tonight? No you're right.... I'm sure despite the loss the individual performances of some of our players will be the sort of stuff that ends up with a statue outside the ground.
I still have no idea what we are doing on the training ground. Are we practising any moves or off the ball runs?
No evidence of that whatsoever. I'd say we do not. Complicated stuff anyway. Valencia's head will explode.
You set a team to go out and defend a 1-0 lead against sunderland of all teams. Then you wonder why they lack bollocks? I think they are taking the cue from the manager.
Which is a problem given how many times its happened already. The one thing about United used to be if you beat us you have played very well but if we lose we get an instant reaction the next game, now we get a reaction for about 15 minutes at the start of games and then revert to type.
I don't give a shit if the manager asks them to scrub the toilets, he's the manager, they go do it with gusto until he tells them to do otherwise.... if they have a problem with that feck them.... if, despite all the enthusiastic cleaning the toilets still look dirty then I'd be having a chat with the manager, but I'd still expect the player to carry on scrubbing with gusto regardless and if at any point they felt they shouldn't have to I'd politely invite them to find a job elsewhere.
OK, reading that back I think I better go to bed at this point...
Mata is a pointless signing as it stands. Our issues won't be resolved until the root of the problem is identified and eliminated. Moyes is the problem. Moyes must go.
The club must admit Ferguson was wrong. Moyes is not the man for the job. There is still time to salvage our season, but only if we act quickly and admit Moyes isn't the answer.
The club must admit Ferguson was wrong. Moyes is not the man for the job. There is still time to salvage our season, but only if we act quickly and admit Moyes isn't the answer.
A lot of these same players showed bollocks last season and were up for the challenge...See Real Madrid for that.
Fine, you are fond of the new manager etc...Perfectly understandable...But don't think he's not to blame for any of this at all...Managers get praised for victories and trophies so why can't he be blamed for some of this?
This is actually the main thing I'm struggling with at the moment. I remember so many shite performances in recent years. We still never lost as much as this, obviously, and Fergie was a genius in getting teams to win, but I can't quite separate how crap we've been of late with how we were even under Fergie. There are huge structural flaws in the squad which were allowed to develop and Moyes now has to deal with (which he's done a crap job of so far). Based around wingers that are now shit, a centre-midfield that was basically Carrick who has now seemingly gone insane with the pressure, a defence based around Evra never getting injured and a lack of an established first choice central defence partnership. We were like the yellowstone park of the premiership. We complain about playing 4-4-2 but the two best players inherited by Moyes were centre forwards.
I don't really know what the point of this post is, it's not meant as a defence of Moyes or a critique on Fergie, just thoughts spilling out in a genuinely puzzled way.
Made me laugh. My point is that if you implement a defensive mindset in the players it will be hard for them to show some cojones as their manager clearly has none.Just a question, is it possible to defend a lead, while showing some bollocks?
Aye, true, but whos to say he didnt console him in the tunnel
I still trust him. But not more so much.
Not just the results are terrible.
Our football is madness......i mean come on it was not the first time that teams likes Sunderland are dominating us.
Not just the results are terrible.
Our football is madness......i mean come on it was not the first time that teams likes Sunderland are dominating us.
So after over half season he has successfully transformed Man Utd into his old Everton team.
Come on, man. This is what people call agenda driven: you're singling out a moment here in order to make Moyes look as bad as possible. We don't know what he told the lad after the match. It's not necessarily the manager's job to rush right over and give out hugs and kisses. It means nothing in isolation - and there is zero reason to suspect that Moyes' man management has been anything but very good in the case of Adnan Januzaj.
Meh. Bad result but we're signing Mata. I'm taking today as a plus overall.
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