Sure he does. But so do the players. This situation has seems exactly like Hodgson at Liverpool. Problem is deeper than the manager, even though he's looking like he's not the man for the job.
Moyes So Far!
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Sure he does. But so do the players. This situation has seems exactly like Hodgson at Liverpool. Problem is deeper than the manager, even though he's looking like he's not the man for the job.
Yeah, if it was any other club on our level then he'd be gone by now. That can be seen as a good thing in that we're more patient than some clubs and we're willing to give managers time, but there's no doubt that even if people want to give the man time, questions about his job should rightfully be coming up.
People can say what they want about luck and it's true that he was unlucky in some regards, ie 4 players missing penalties, injuries and the De Gea mistake, but the fact is that this was another lackluster, poor performance against a side in the relegation zone. People may say that the players weren't motivated, but it's his job to motivate them. If the fact is that he simply cannot do that then he's clearly not the right man for the job.
Tonight we saw that we're bad technically. There are no tactics in penalties. Just fecking poor.
He makes the same mistakes over and over again. Plus i'm getting tired of his comments where he's the only one finding nice words for a disastrous display
He couldn't complain if he was sacked by tomorrow morning and I would neither. Shambolic performance today against an utter shite team. Dreadful performances all around. And tbh I'd expect players that earn millions by not doing more than playing football to hit the fecking target from the penalty spot
We haven't lost this game, to be fair.
Right, I don't want to sound like I'm on a wind-up, because I'm not.
United will be back. Van Persie and Mata will ensure that to some extent. I exclude Rooney because he's surely off in the summer. But there's really going to come a point where a decision is made on Moyes before it gets embarrassing for the club.
Tactically, it's shocking. It's so obvious how bad it is. Sunderland were better than you tonight. They matched up with you, and if they weren't so atrocious in the final third, they'd have won comfortably. It's remarkable - they gave you two chances to get back into it. And you couldn't.
The football world is laughing their heads off at what's going on, and I'm not sure even with big reinforcements that a manager that insists upon playing such archaic football and is so unable to change the game tactically mid-game is going to be able to turn this around.
United will be back. Van Persie and Mata will ensure that to some extent. I exclude Rooney because he's surely off in the summer. But there's really going to come a point where a decision is made on Moyes before it gets embarrassing for the club.
Tactically, it's shocking. It's so obvious how bad it is. Sunderland were better than you tonight. They matched up with you, and if they weren't so atrocious in the final third, they'd have won comfortably. It's remarkable - they gave you two chances to get back into it. And you couldn't.
The football world is laughing their heads off at what's going on, and I'm not sure even with big reinforcements that a manager that insists upon playing such archaic football and is so unable to change the game tactically mid-game is going to be able to turn this around.
so we wait til next season when we finish well below 4th as this season looks and then maybe we look at someone else to replace moyes after the club is fecking stripped of its 2 good players absolute garbage had enough of this shit hes mad an absolute mess of united anyone who doesn't see that needs their shades off.
i agree. But is it too much to ask to see a manager try and make a change to the style? You could see him telling our central mids to drop deeper....against Sunderland t OT. fecking incredible
Any player, pulling a Utd shirt for a semi at OT, needs to have a level of pride and determination that just doesn't look to be there with some of them. Moyes has to carry the can for some of it but regardless of who the manager was or what the system or tactics were tonight I felt the majority of the players let the club and the supporters down.
Funny that as soon as Sunderlands goal went in the players were able to inject a bit of urgency and find a goal straight away... and that had absolutely feck all to do with Moyes.
Yep, I agree. There is no pride being displayed. There is no leadership at all at the moment seemingly from anyone, whether it be players or management.
We have said before about teams that win despite the manager, unfortunately our team isn't even good enough to do that.
I think Benitez would be better then Moyes
Match Stats
Manchester United - Sunderland
Possession
46% - 54%
Shots
19 18
On target
6 1
Corners
7 12
Fouls
19 19
Match stats from todays game...
Manchester United - Sunderland
Possession
46% - 54%
Shots
19 18
On target
6 1
Corners
7 12
Fouls
19 19
Match stats from todays game...
Our lack of any sort of footballing identity and dour performances is really worrying, especially given that we really don't look like turning the corner.
The blame must be distributed evenly enough and Moyes certainly has to take his fair share. At times, he looks absolutely clueless and lacking any sort of ideas. These are very worrying times indeed. A transition period is one thing, but this dross is something else altogether. Where is the transition in our playing style? At least when Liverpool were struggling last season it was obvious what style of football Rodgers wanted to play and there were promising signs. We are getting absolutely none of that with Moyes.
The blame must be distributed evenly enough and Moyes certainly has to take his fair share. At times, he looks absolutely clueless and lacking any sort of ideas. These are very worrying times indeed. A transition period is one thing, but this dross is something else altogether. Where is the transition in our playing style? At least when Liverpool were struggling last season it was obvious what style of football Rodgers wanted to play and there were promising signs. We are getting absolutely none of that with Moyes.
Really one of the worst displays for basic pass and move football I've ever seen in my time from us, our possession play was non-existant, really dire stuff, a little miffed not at the result but our performance tonight to say too much more without bursting into obscenities.
Too many British players who naturally have shocking technique. We need more foreign players. The inability of this side to control a football or to pass a football 5 yards is quite amazing for a club of our size.
It doesn't sound like a wind-up, almost everyone can see what we're shockingly bad tactically and mentally and in just about every imaginable way.
It's obviously not only down to Moyes but whatever the other problems are, it doesn't look like he can fix them. I can see him steadying the ship and making United a solid, unspectacular top 3/4 team if he finds some luck and the players pull themselves together but I don't think he has it in him to ever make us title winners and serious CL contenders.
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Benhf-eIUAA3EE6.jpg#twimgPost match interview?
The players need to take a look at themselves but the reality remains that it's easier to swap a manager than it is to swap 22 players.
You don't believe we were sitting out that 1-0 lead in the ET? And the players deliberately chose to play like that?
There were genuinely people who were excited when he was appointed and said he has always been the one for them...
You have your wish now... The dinosaur tactics...
You have your wish now... The dinosaur tactics...
Belief starts from the manager and when you look out there I don't see any belief in any of them, even the senior players are lifeless.
Pundits and fans moan about teams having so many foreign players, now we know why as British players as you say have no technique, unfortunately with out team it has spread to the foreign players as well.
It's mainly the manager's fault. He's responsible for the right formation, tactics, form, attitude, etc. None of that works
That Liverpool team at the time was truly piss poor, were as this United team are the current champions. Even with the key players out, we should be knocking this Sunderland team out at home. We hardly even bothered to go at Sunderland with a sense of threat until we were sure we were going out. The tactics were shocking.
Has he said we played well?
I think if pochettino leaves saints we should hire him at the end of the season if this continues. We are plunging new depths and watching us is just so painful. I really like Moyes but I'm struggling to find any reason to stick with him if this keeps up.
No. Once we went up Sunderland began playing for a goal and we couldn't stop them. I don't think we sat back, I think we were pushed back.
He's not, but as far as tonight goes he's quite a bit down the list in terms of those due for criticism IMO. Some of the players looked like they were out for a kick about with the reserves, and they wouldnt have even been acceptable at that level.
Its easy to get caught up in systems, and styles and formations, what I'm talking about is a bit more basic than that, show some fecking pride and a pair of nuts first and foremost, then lets have a look at the system.
I also don't buy this shit about players being disillusioned under a new manager, you're a player, you're paid to train and play, train and play to the best of your ability... simple as that.
Even if Mata joins... with those tactics we just won't win shit. He's a fecking dinosaur and tactically outplayed by almost very manager in the Pl so far. I have been patient but that kind of performance today against fecking Sunderland really takes the piss
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Who exactly are the players who played so badly? Welbeck, Carrick, Hernandez, Buttner, Fletcher and De Gea for my money.
Who exactly are the players who played so badly? Welbeck, Carrick, Hernandez, Buttner, Fletcher and De Gea for my money.
Agree with every word of that.
There's only one way Moyes is taking United, the sooner he is gone, the better.
The players, the backroom boys, and the manager - it's a collective problem. It's like a rolling stone gathering moss.
It does concern me that David Moyes doesn't seem to be able to motivate the players. And maybe the players aren't motivating him either, but he's the one who has to get the team functioning. We can't win trophies for nearly 30 years and attribute it to the greatest manager ever, but then blame the players when it goes wrong. Obviously the players share the responsibility, but have they turned bad overnight? Or were they never as good as they've been hyped up to be. There's been enough discussion in other threads, with the diehard faithful insisting that we have a great squad. So if they are great, what's happened to them?
It does concern me that David Moyes doesn't seem to be able to motivate the players. And maybe the players aren't motivating him either, but he's the one who has to get the team functioning. We can't win trophies for nearly 30 years and attribute it to the greatest manager ever, but then blame the players when it goes wrong. Obviously the players share the responsibility, but have they turned bad overnight? Or were they never as good as they've been hyped up to be. There's been enough discussion in other threads, with the diehard faithful insisting that we have a great squad. So if they are great, what's happened to them?
I know what you're saying but we're not in the final, so in my eyes we lost.
It's not even like its a one off. Teams have bossed the possession stats all season. To put this result into perspective, compare it to the CL game against Madrid last season. The difference is just staggering. We went at Madrid (one of the best teams in the world) even when we were down to 10 men! Today, we sat back against Sunderland, with 11 men. He's just way too conservative to be a manager at this club. Which was fecking obvious even before he took over. I'm generally bemused by today. I'd have thought he'd have set us up to be positive knowing the crowd would be right behind us and a final ready and waiting if we won. So frustrating
I've just realised I hate him. Can't stand his face, his voice. It sickens me.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I can't see any rational reason as to why the players wouldn't want to try. They look clueless, but they're a quality group of lads, by all accounts.
Why bother with a manager then? What do you think a manager even does? Come on man, it's been obvious since the moment he arrived that he's not cut out for the job.
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