Moyes So Far!

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Why the feck did he take Kagawa off AGAIN when he was one of our better players?

What is the reason?

Moyes needs to sort this shit out tomorrow morning
 
Can't really fault the effort. In fact half of them were tearing around all night and probably not doing themselves any favours by doing so.

But this is by far the worst footballing side I've ever seen. There's teams in the championship keeping the ball better than us. I'm not being silly for effect either, we really are unbelievably bad. I don't even really know where to start to be honest.
 
Eyepopper said:
I dont think you can blame Moyes for that for one minute... Its a cup semi, at home, against a shite team FFS if the players can't get themselves up for that then they're at the wrong club.

6am training tomorrow lads... don't bother bringing your tracksuits, we'll be training in shorts and nothing else til it gets fecking dark and then we might go a bit more.

I don't give a shit about the CC really, I'm not one for emotional knee jerks, and I don't say it lightly but a lot of those players should hang their heads in shame after that, more than that they should be hide away in their houses for a few days.. absolutely abysmal. A home semi at OT and more than a few just looked half arsed... ship up or feck off lads.

I cant remember a worse performance from Utd in a semi.
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Whilst I agree with you for the majority of your post, I don't agree that Moyes can't be blamed as well. He must take a portion of the blame as he's the one who sets tactics and formation. While I don't blame him for the choice of formation or the players he picked, I blame him for the lack of urgency and playing on the counter-attack at home to fecking Sunderland in a cup semi-final. He's not to blame for De Gea's feck up which was uncharacteristic but we shouldn't have been hanging on in the first place and it's not like it was just tonight where we've been hanging on. He most definitely takes a fair share of the blame for me for that style of football that we're obviously fecking awful at.
 
Poyet was geeing up his players at the start of extra time. Moyes seemed to freeze.
 
Kag said:
Our problems run deeper than bland cliches such as effort and determination.
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Funny then that when they showed a bit of effort and determination we scored, despite the odd line up.

Blame the manager if you want, for me the VAST majority of the blame lies with the players on the pitch.

I couldn't give the foggiest if its cliched either, sometimes cliches are accurate, thats sort of how they become cliches.
 
Fanboy favourites like Rafael and Kagawa need turfing out. Just not good enough. If Moyes can get them out of the club and get some dependable players in then he'll have at least moved the squad forwards in some respects.
 
I said it last week and I'll say it again, I can't understand how Moyes is still in a job. It makes no sense.
 
What's saddening is they scored and we were able to reply within 3 minutes just by trying to attack. Makes you wonder what the hell we were up to in ordinary time, nai? Was Moyes happy with our performance when it was 1-0? Did he want extra time. We didn't seem to be busting a gut for a 2nd before Sunderland scored and Moyes didn't seem to be urging us on to get one either. I don't know. I just don't know anymore. This seems to be the new normal.
 
Eyepopper said:
I dont think you can blame Moyes for that for one minute... Its a cup semi, at home, against a shite team FFS if the players can't get themselves up for that then they're at the wrong club.

6am training tomorrow lads... don't bother bringing your tracksuits, we'll be training in shorts and nothing else til it gets fecking dark and then we might go a bit more.

I don't give a shit about the CC really, I'm not one for emotional knee jerks, and I don't say it lightly but a lot of those players should hang their heads in shame after that, more than that they should be hide away in their houses for a few days.. absolutely abysmal. A home semi at OT and more than a few just looked half arsed... ship up or feck off lads.

I cant remember a worse performance from Utd in a semi.
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Sorry but the buck stops with the manager Popper. It's not like this is a one off. At the minute Moyes is demonstrating that he doesn't have what it takes.

I think he's a really good manager that would probably get it right in time but can we really afford to give him the time with the football and, more importantly, the results being as bad as they are?

I keep waiting for us to turn a corner and kick on but there's absolutely zero sign of it happening any time soon. I think we, as fans, could even perhaps forgive the poor results if we were playing some half decent stuff but we're not. It's tumescent, tumescent shit. We're in trouble.
 
Eyepopper said:
Funny then that when they showed a bit of effort and determination we scored, despite the odd line up.

Blame the manager if you want, for me the VAST majority of the blame lies with the players on the pitch.

I couldn't give the foggiest if its cliched either, sometimes cliches are accurate, thats sort of how they become cliches.
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Moyes is not an innocent bystander in this tide of shite, he's the epicentre.
 
I'm just speechless. Never wanted Moyes but never in my wildest dreams did I even imagine it would be this bad.

I don't know how he's going to turn this around. He needs help....from fergie.
 
the man is utterly jinxed, barely anything more could go wrong.

Best 2 players injured at the same time, injuries at bad moments, red cards ruining results, deflected goals.

Then tonight, one shot on goal and it's fumbled in by the normally quality De Gea.

Then those penalties. Worst collection ever?
 
Some managers are born winners, some managers make themselves winners through hard work and some managers are just destined to never win.
 
People seriously don't think Moyes has to answer for a lot of that?

fecking embarassment seeing United drop as deep as that against Sunderland at OT.

Zero fluidity, players don't look like theyve seen a football in their life, what the feck are we trying to do?
 
I fell asleep during the 2nd half of extra time.

Our footballs been terrible all season, that was one of the worst performances I've seen us put in and the subs made us worse. Generally bemused why we are defending a 1-0 lead at home to fecking Sunderland. It's absurd.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
I suppose you think that Poyet had nothing to do with Sunderland's victory and that his players could just be more arsed than ours?
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They were more arsed weren't they? Do you think that's solely down to Poyet? Do you think if he hadn't been there they'd have sauntered around the way half our players did tonight, or do you think that at least a few of them might shown a bit of professional pride, looked to take the game on, step up, be brave and take responsibility? I think they might have regardless of what they manager said to them.
 
Five of the last six games lost, shocking results even for teams fighting relegation.
 
If he has an ounce of dignity he will resign.... We were at home tonight against a very, very poor team and we were hanging on for a large proportion of the game. Sitting deeper and deeper. It's not like it's the first time we've done it, it's happened all season. The guy is so far out of his depth it's not even funny.
 
This season is awful for us but it's even more fecking awful for him. Not faultless of course but who'd write such shit scenario prior to match ? One of maybe 2-3 most reliable players we've got this season fecks up, we somehow manage to score a goal in our old style just to get hit in the balls again, this time with a metal crowbar. Those penalties were pathetic, just awful, only player to score was a guy that's back from an injury that kept him out for ages and he was probably one of the best players on the pitch as well.

Not going to comment on the level of football we've played today, it's bloody obvious we've been dreadful but sometimes you get this ounce of luck and you win. We've got none this season. Our players need a word with themselves because today it was their festival of incompetence.
 
Would anybody be surprised if any manager under these circumstances was sacked, never mind a manager under Manchester United? if it wasn't a disaster before, it is now. We had to win that game, we just had to.
 
Watching us tonight, I just could that was a Manchester united tream at home. I feel for Moyes, I really do...I just don't know if he's up to the job.

He needs help big time....from fergie.
 
The puzzle has fallen into place... Its clear to me now that the Glazers aren't funding Moyes and the only way for him to generate transfer cash is by... throwing matches. How else can a United team who won the league last year at a jolly stroll fail to beat Sunderland at home, then go on to score 1 out of 5 in a penalty shoot-out, whilst our star man De Gea manages to fumble in a shot my erect penis could have stopped?

Moyes IS building his £200 million warchest, but its going to take a season of 'shit' results for him to gain enough money. I just hope the poor bastard doesn't get caught.
 
The pens were hilarious. And it wasn't a surprise either.. The only surprise was a pleasant one.. Us scoring one.
I didn't have any faith in the players when it went to pens.. and not without reason.
These are professional footballers who are so fecking uncomfortable striker a ball into a big fecking net from a few yards out.

If anything, these performances show how tough a job Moyes has. Fergie was a magician. Moyes isnt. He needs a bunch of players who can actually control the ball and strike it.

This season is a write off. Apart from a select few, the whole squad is dispensable.. Pick the ones he wants as backup/squad players and replace the others with actual footballers.
 
SirFergie said:
Whilst I agree with you for the majority of your post, I don't agree that Moyes can't be blamed as well. He must take a portion of the blame as he's the one who sets tactics and formation. While I don't blame him for the choice of formation or the players he picked, I blame him for the lack of urgency and playing on the counter-attack at home to fecking Sunderland in a cup semi-final. He's not to blame for De Gea's feck up which was uncharacteristic but we shouldn't have been hanging on in the first place and it's not like it was just tonight where we've been hanging on. He most definitely takes a fair share of the blame for me for that style of football that we're obviously fecking awful at.
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I suppose saying he can't be blamed is pushing it, he's the manager so is obviously responsible, ultimately, but I'm so disgusted by the performance of some of our players that criticism of the manager is a bit down the list right now.

They are professional footballers, there is an expectation that they need to be at a certain level, regardless of management. For me a good number of our players look below even that level right now.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
I said it last week and I'll say it again, I can't understand how Moyes is still in a job. It makes no sense.
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If we were seeing a clear improvement each week, were playing good quality football but weren't getting the results then I'd be a lot more tolerant than I currently am.

I just cannot believe how badly we are performing this season.
 
Incoming post-match interview from Moyes: "I thought we were unlucky. We played well in patches, and I'm happy with our performance. We just need some luck and have to work hard for the next game. We'll move on and try to get better. We didn't deserve to lose."
 
I'm fed up of watching this crap every week!!! Moyes you are a dreadful manager....... What crap!!!! He is he most boring manager I've ever seen.... Benetiz was more exciting.
 
It's a never ending car crash isn't it? Few good wins here and there but when the other team looked half arsed, they win.
 
The worrying thing is the players didn't seem arsed during the match. Only a few players seemed to care, Fletcher and Smalling I wouldn't question, but the others need to have a hard long look at themselfes.
 
That match needs to be buried in the deepest pits of hell.

I don't think i've suffered through a match as much as that before. What's most annoying is seeing us with the advantage and yet again failing to capitalise on it. Why were we penned back in our half when it was there for the taking? It's not entirely Moyes fault tonight because we seem to have a curse hanging over us. But he should have been able to inspire the players better than this. This is Old Trafford. We shouldn't be struggling to win here. Surely he has to be driving us on from the touchline and setting us up to kill them off.

Horrible feelings as a supporter right now.
 
He's got to take the lions share of the blame.

I think we all agree that he's been left with some drek to clear out but we shouldn't be defending for our lives against the bottom team in the league at home.

If the manager isn't to blame then why have one in the first place? Forget the ability of the players for once second... the tactics are negative and the morale is in the gutter.
 
Eyepopper said:
I suppose saying he can't be blamed is pushing it, he's the manager so is obviously responsible, ultimately, but I'm so disgusted by the performance of some of our players that criticism of the manager is a bit down the list right now.

They are professional footballers, there is an expectation that they need to be at a certain level, regardless of management. For me a good number of our players look below even that level right now.
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Here's an idea and I know it is a wild one but let me entertain you - what if the reason they are playing like that is because it's the instructions/tactics they receive from the manager?
 
Blue always red said:
The puzzle has fallen into place... Its clear to me now that the Glazers aren't funding Moyes and the only way for him to generate transfer cash is by... throwing matches. How else can a United team who won the league last year at a jolly stroll fail to beat Sunderland at home, then go on to score 1 out of 5 in a penalty shoot-out, whilst our star man De Gea manages to fumble in a shot my erect penis could have stopped?

Moyes IS building his £200 million warchest, but its going to take a season of 'shit' results for him to gain enough money. I just hope the poor bastard doesn't get caught.
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Just because you give him a Bugatti Veyron doesn't change that he's the managerial equivalent of a lorry driver.
 
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