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Daily Telegraph ~ Juan Mata signing from Chelsea would do nothing to solve Manchester United's more pressing concerns

Usually I don't comment on the article I post, I let people make up their own minds. However, let me say this: People said when Arsenal signed Ozil they were ignoring their long-term issues for a vanity signing and yet now they're top and their squad is shot full of confidence. It might not be the be all and end all getting Mata but it would be a massive step in the right direction and signal of intent to our other targets that Man Utd are still in the market for big players and will pay big for them.
 
Mihajlovic said:
I just cant get over the fact that we could have had Mourinho and chose Moyes over him. Because oh my gosh looking back into the history of Manchester United we would have to face the shameful fact how we let ourselves down to be managed by Mourinho for a few years! The circus clown utter spastic arrogant twat Mourinho who somehow just "doesn't fit", whatever the feck that even means, as he, of course, only fits into all the other world class football clubs that he leads from one trophy after another, but no no no he just would not get "our philosophy" and he would not be "a long term solution" for United, and we also "don't need his antics". So that's why we went for a bloody nobody. Not that we didn't have a choice, so we HAD to. Noooo, we're United, we do what we want.
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If you don't like it Chelsea shirts are available at every good retailer.
 
Sunny Jim said:
the article was full of " it is understood", "may, might " and other bullshit
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I literally can't understand how anyone can be bothered to go to those sites to be lied to like that. It's the same for me as paying for a tabloid for transfer news. Just stupidity.
 
Irwinwastheking said:
If you don't like it Chelsea shirts are available at every good retailer.
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You're missing the point. United is a global institution, not just same average club back from the 80s. It goes without saying that a big club, therefore, must think big. The Moyes appointment left the football world scratching the head, and rightly so. This was not the right time for displaying arrogance and shouting slogans, we do what we want and all this crap, but for being professional. Instead, however, we employed a coach because he was Scottish. Someone did already mention earlier, this arrogance is potentially going to cost us dearly.
 
Mihajlovic said:
You're missing the point. United is a global institution, not just same average club back from the 80s. It goes without saying that a big club, therefore, must think big. The Moyes appointment left the football world scratching the head, and rightly so. This was not the right time for displaying arrogance and shouting slogans, we do what we want and all this crap, but for being professional. Instead, however, we employed a coach because he was Scottish. Someone did already mention earlier, this arrogance is potentially going to cost us dearly.
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I wanted it and I still think it'll work out. Like I said, if a club with a philosophy like United's isn't for you there's loads of other clubs out there.
 
Mihajlovic said:
You're missing the point. United is a global institution, not just same average club back from the 80s. It goes without saying that a big club, therefore, must think big. The Moyes appointment left the football world scratching the head, and rightly so. This was not the right time for displaying arrogance and shouting slogans, we do what we want and all this crap, but for being professional. Instead, however, we employed a coach because he was Scottish. Someone did already mention earlier, this arrogance is potentially going to cost us dearly.
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I hope you're joking. We weren't an average club in the 80s. We had the highest attendance in the land throughout the period between Busby and Fergie's first league title. We were among the most popular football clubs in the world in spite of not winning a major trophy for years and years.
 
Oh, and hiring a manager for no other reason than him being Scottish isn't arrogance. It's plain insanity.
 
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This is a real picture, in a pub, near Goodison....fecking hell

This picture though is hilarious :lol:

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Mihajlovic said:
You're missing the point. United is a global institution, not just same average club back from the 80s. It goes without saying that a big club, therefore, must think big. The Moyes appointment left the football world scratching the head, and rightly so. This was not the right time for displaying arrogance and shouting slogans, we do what we want and all this crap, but for being professional. Instead, however, we employed a coach because he was Scottish. Someone did already mention earlier, this arrogance is potentially going to cost us dearly.
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hahaha if you believe this is fact then.... well... hahahahahahahaha
 
Stack said:
hahaha if you believe this is fact then.... well... hahahahahahahaha
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Well that was certainly one of the points mentioned by Fergie himself, so it undeniable.

So, if this is United's way, if this is United's chosen 'philosophy', to appoint a not more than average (fact!) coach who in his entire career had not won one single trophy and who's coaching abilities/ methods simply do not correspond with the way football is being played by the best clubs in the world, then so be it.

In this case all this talk about sacking Moyes is a waste of time because he won't be sacked, he's on a six years contract. And here's the predicament, if he finishes 10th, there's not really much you can argue against because we did in the end employ an average, inexperienced and old-fashioned coach, so a bad finish should not surprise us that much. There is hoping that he will improve, yes, but that's what the six years are for, regarding this 'project'.
 
Mihajlovic said:
Well that was certainly one of the points mentioned by Fergie himself, so it undeniable.

So, if this is United's way, if this is United's chosen 'philosophy', to appoint a not more than average (fact!) coach who in his entire career had not won one single trophy and who's coaching abilities/ methods simply do not correspond with the way football is being played by the best clubs in the world, then so be it.

In this case all this talk about sacking Moyes is a waste of time because he won't be sacked, he's on a six years contract. And here's the predicament, if he finishes 10th, there's not really much you can argue against because we did in the end employ an average, inexperienced and old-fashioned coach, so a bad finish should not surprise us that much. There is hoping that he will improve, yes, but that's what the six years are for, regarding this 'project'.
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And again... if you think Fergie chose Moyes because he was Scottish...... hahahaha. Fergie chose Moyes for a variety of reasons. His upbringing being one of them, not the sole reason. Inexperienced? 11 years as an EPL coach?.
 
Stack said:
And again... if you think Fergie chose Moyes because he was Scottish...... hahahaha. Fergie chose Moyes for a variety of reasons. His upbringing being one of them, not the sole reason. Inexperienced? 11 years as an EPL coach?.
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To be fair, that is an awful case to put forward.

Fat Sham has loads of PL experience so by that logic, he could have been in the running. Moyes is completely inexperienced at a club of this stature and level...Case in point, this is the shit that is hung around pubs in Liverpool about him
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This is the mentality of the club he was at! Nothing at all suggested he was worthy of this job.

As for his up bringing? That is not something you should take into consideration when giving a job like this...Was Jose a thug or something in his youth?
 
Stack said:
And again... if you think Fergie chose Moyes because he was Scottish...... hahahaha. Fergie chose Moyes for a variety of reasons. His upbringing being one of them, not the sole reason. Inexperienced? 11 years as an EPL coach?.
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Inexperienced in terms of winning trophies, obviously. We don't need a coach who is a premier league dinosaur, we need a coach that is an experienced winner and that can finally get us some more CL trophies!

And yes, it was a variety of reasons as you rightly say why 'Fergie chose Moyes'. And one of the reasons for putting him forward was because Moyes was Scottish. Whether Fergie in his book did not mean it seriously and we should all regard it as nothing but a footnote, that's irrelevant. The fact remains that a bad choice was made and a lot of United fans disliked it from day one.
 
.Rossi said:
To be fair, that is an awful case to put forward.

Fat Sham has loads of PL experience so by that logic, he could have been in the running. Moyes is completely inexperienced at a club of this stature and level...Case in point, this is the shit that is hung around pubs in Liverpool about him
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This is the mentality of the club he was at! Nothing at all suggested he was worthy of this job.

As for his up bringing? That is not something you should take into consideration when giving a job like this...Was Jose a thug or something in his youth?
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Who really gives a feck what Liverpool fans think of Moyes??? If you spend your life worrying about what others think then you wont achieve much.
 
Moyes was obviously chosen because Fergie saw a lot of himself in him, which extends beyond him being Scottish, funnily enough.
 
Stack said:
Who really gives a feck what Liverpool fans think of Moyes??? If you spend your life worrying about what others think then you wont achieve much.
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Ehh you've missed my point entirely man....This is a picture made as a tribute to Moyes by Everton fans and is in an Everton fans pub near Goodison park...Just look at that message and see the mentality of the whole thing...
 
.Rossi said:
Ehh you've missed my point entirely man....This is a picture made as a tribute to Moyes by Everton fans and is in an Everton fans pub near Goodison park...Just look at that message and see the mentality of the whole thing...
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nah sorry missing what you are getting at.
 
.Rossi said:
If you're stuck in this mentality of "don't have to win anything to be a winner" for 11 years, getting out of it, is not an easy thing to do
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Look, Moyes didn't make that thing himself, did he? The mentality you're talking about is as vague a concept as the "Scottishness" people are worried about. It doesn't matter one bit. Can he cut it here? We don't know. But some tribute made by Everton fans doesn't make any difference. He did a great job with their team over the years. No manager could've won much with that team.

His lack of trophies is the most obvious thing about him. The people who hired him weren't oblivious to the fact. They hired him in spite of his lack of trophies. I doubt they did it for spite, though.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Look, Moyes didn't make that thing himself, did he? The mentality you're talking about is as vague a concept as the "Scottishness" people are worried about. It doesn't matter one bit. Can he cut it here? We don't know. But some tribute made by Everton fans doesn't make any difference. He did a great job with their team over the years. No manager could've won much with that team.

His lack of trophies is the most obvious thing about him. The people who hired him weren't oblivious to the fact. They hired him in spite of his lack of trophies. I doubt they did it for spite, though.
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An incredibly essential requirement, however. I don't consider Manchester United to be a project, or some sort kind of a "Trading Places" experiment where from having a successful, world-class coach and a history of achievements we all of a sudden willingly decide to enter an enormous risk and eventually degrade and devalue our club by hiring the worst possible coach (out of our selection) that no other European top club would have ever taken. Not even Moyes thought of himself as being good enough to put his name forward for the job, surely this is telling us something! Maybe British fans view this differently and rather sympathise with a fellow British coach, which is fair enough. I am simply being pragmatic and wish we would have aimed for the best.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Look, Moyes didn't make that thing himself, did he? The mentality you're talking about is as vague a concept as the "Scottishness" people are worried about. It doesn't matter one bit. Can he cut it here? We don't know. But some tribute made by Everton fans doesn't make any difference. He did a great job with their team over the years. No manager could've won much with that team.

His lack of trophies is the most obvious thing about him. The people who hired him weren't oblivious to the fact. They hired him in spite of his lack of trophies. I doubt they did it for spite, though.
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The people that hired him are the owners of our club who frankly know, nothing about the game other than, SAF has won a lot and therefore if he recommends the next manager that's the way to go and by all accounts the main reason SAF chose Moyes was nationality.
 
Mihajlovic said:
An incredibly essential requirement, however. I don't consider Manchester United to be a project, or some sort kind of a "Trading Places" experiment where from having a successful, world-class coach and a history of achievements we all of a sudden willingly decide to enter an enormous risk and eventually degrade and devalue our club by hiring the worst possible coach (out of our selection) that no other European top club would have ever taken. Not even Moyes thought of himself as being good enough to put his name forward for the job, surely this is telling us something! Maybe British fans view this differently and rather sympathise with a fellow British coach, which is fair enough. I am simply being pragmatic and wish we would have aimed for the best.
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You keep making arguments based on things that are kind of wishy washy. Did Moyes have a chance to put his name forward?. Fergie contacted Moyes before he quit.
With respect to aiming for the best, who do you think we should have got? (please dont say Mourinho)
 
All 3 United said:
The people that hired him are the owners of our club who frankly know, nothing about the game other than, SAF has won a lot and therefore if he recommends the next manager that's the way to go and by all accounts the main reason SAF chose Moyes was nationality.
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Yes. Of course. This had never occurred to me. But you're clearly spot on.
 
Stack said:
You keep making arguments based on things that are kind of wishy washy. Did Moyes have a chance to put his name forward?. Fergie contacted Moyes before he quit.
With respect to aiming for the best, who do you think we should have got? (please dont say Mourinho)
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We should have got Mourinho. If he was available and wanted the job. A coach whose CV speaks for itself and who was good enough for winning trophies for top clubs across Europe, but not good enough for United, apparently. Because he would have only stayed a few years and we didn't want that. Better to give a 6-years contract to A Moyes than consider having Mourinho short term for 2-3 years ;)

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/4394693/
 
Mihajlovic said:
We should have got Mourinho. If he was available and wanted the job. A coach whose CV speaks for itself and who was good enough for winning trophies for top clubs across Europe, but not good enough for United, apparently. Because he would have only stayed a few years and we didn't want that. Better to give a 6-years contract to A Moyes than consider having Mourinho short term for 2-3 years ;)

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/4394693/
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You mean this cat?

http://hitwicket.com/player/show/1284291/Abraham-Moyes
 
Well heres your problem. You wont get Mourinho now and Moyes is here till at the least the end of the season, probably 2 seasons.
 
Mihajlovic said:
We should have got Mourinho. If he was available and wanted the job. A coach whose CV speaks for itself and who was good enough for winning trophies for top clubs across Europe, but not good enough for United, apparently. Because he would have only stayed a few years and we didn't want that. Better to give a 6-years contract to A Moyes than consider having Mourinho short term for 2-3 years ;)

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/4394693/
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Arguably Mourinho has never been tested at a club like United. He would have inherited an ageing squad, and been given a limited transfer budget whilst being asked to promote youth at every turn.
The United job would have been open waters for him as well, however he has proven he can win trophies but at what expense? His net spend throughout his career starting from his first season in charge at Porto to this season is +£56 million. He is a proven winner, but he was given the chance and he took it. Who is to say Moyes wont do the same?
 
Blue always red said:
Arguably Mourinho has never been tested at a club like United. He would have inherited an ageing squad, and been given a limited transfer budget whilst being asked to promote youth at every turn.
The United job would have been open waters for him as well, however he has proven he can win trophies but at what expense? His net spend throughout his career starting from his first season in charge at Porto to this season is +£56 million. He is a proven winner, but he was given the chance and he took it. Who is to say Moyes wont do the same?
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He earned that chance by exceeding expectations since the first day of his career.

Mourinho has been competent in every job he had, with or without being able to spend. His first managerial stint at Benfica was great (albeit short - the worst managerial sacking ever?), and at the minnows Leiria (relegation fodder in Portugal) he had them ahead of Porto in 4th place by January, when we snapped him from them. To this day it's their highest ever league position - and he left them in good shape for them to finish in a record-breaking and never again repeatable 5th place.

At Porto he didn't sign any expensive player (we only became big - relatively speaking - spenders after our CL win). He simply surveyed the team and got 3 or 4 cheap and unnoticed players to fill the holes. A Maniche training in the reserves with Benfica, an unknown Paulo Ferreira at Setúbal, etc. What made us give the jump from mediocre to back-to-back European trophies was his ability to get the best out of every single player of the squad. Deco was hopeless before he was trained by Mourinho.

If you are given money to spend to make your job easier, you will use it. That's about it. There's not a single piece of evidence to suggest he can't work in a restrained budget, and many suggesting otherwise.

The only underwhelming season by his standards (and expectations of his teams) was his third year at Madrid. That's what, 10% of his career?

Finding this sort of "technical" faults in Mourinho is like trying to find faults in the likes of Messi or Ronaldo. Up there with the most ridiculous clutching at straws that you can find in football. A manager that has won 7 league titles in four different countries out of only 10 full seasons. Two Champions League titles with underdogs. And quite a few cups.

It's one thing to moan about his personality and to outright dislike him. But to question his abilities as a manager is absurd. If he couldn't win trophies with United (and assuming no off-field antics ruining his work) it's very likely no one else could under the same circumstances.
 
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Im not keen on Mourinho because of his teams playing style. However I like him as a manager and person because he is passionate, wickedly funny, intelligent and 99% of the players who play for him would walk on broken glass for him. Having watched numerous coaching videos about him and by him on coaching courses I also know how clever he is tactically and how very simple his game plan is. He expects players to be the best they can be which is a pretty simple concept. However his playing style so far has relied on restriction and constriction rather than being creative with the ball. Having said that he is smart enough to evolve and change. But I would hate to see Utd play the way his teams play. Unfortunately Moyes so far has only show glimpses of the football i like to see Utd play. I would hate to see us return to the days of Dave Sexton, Mourinho is a little close to that for me.
 
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