If you take anything a man in his position says to the media at face value - well, you know, insert whatever joke or insult you please. He's feeding 'em bollocks and air, some of it corresponding to the truth, some of it not. It's nothing new.
Moyes So Far!
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If you take anything a man in his position says to the media at face value - well, you know, insert whatever joke or insult you please. He's feeding 'em bollocks and air, some of it corresponding to the truth, some of it not. It's nothing new.
Bloody right.
And bloody right too.
Bloody right it's bloody right.
I really don't see any point in doing that, we are probably one of few clubs from around top leagues who do that, opposition can pretty much put 10 players in and around our box and feel safe.
Tbh, unless Moyes starts slagging United off or making jokes about the Munich disaster, this analysis of his every public utterance is a waste of everyone's time & unfair to the man. We all know why he says what he says - he's either 'protecting the brand' or being bullish to ward off sniping criticism about him, the players and/or the club, or simply being as humble as a newcomer to the job should be, given the achievements of his predecessor. One can't reasonably call him 'defeatist' when he's being realistic; one can't seriously label him 'blind to our faults, and all the problems we have' when he's effectively duty-bound to speak as the club's ambassador.
Waste of time... Yet also completely inevitable.
I just cant get over the fact that we could have had Mourinho and chose Moyes over him. Because oh my gosh looking back into the history of Manchester United we would have to face the shameful fact how we let ourselves down to be managed by Mourinho for a few years! The circus clown utter spastic arrogant twat Mourinho who somehow just "doesn't fit", whatever the feck that even means, as he, of course, only fits into all the other world class football clubs that he leads from one trophy after another, but no no no he just would not get "our philosophy" and he would not be "a long term solution" for United, and we also "don't need his antics". So that's why we went for a bloody nobody. Not that we didn't have a choice, so we HAD to. Noooo, we're United, we do what we want.
According to figures in the Glazers 2013 thread Mourinho is paid a shit load more than Moyes. It's not a fact we could've had him, it's speculation.
To be fair Valencia does waste a lot of crosses. But you're right against Chelsea we put balls in my great places and I can't help but feel a Rooney and RVP partnership would have seen one of the a t the end of it.
It's not baseless speculation though. The guy obviously always had a thing for United, and obviously wanted to return to England. In all likelihood if United were really interested you could have got him. His salary is on par with the best players around and I don't think that's unreasonable at all, he's more likely to bring titles than any single player in the world (bar Messi and Ronaldo), plus he's unlikely to get injured. If money was the issue it's a bit daft.
He probably feels good at Chelsea, as he loves London as well, but it's same old for him. Succeeding SAF and doing it successfully would fit like a glove in his ego. He's probably bitter now, so unlikely to ever go there.
Fair enough, judging by everything that's been said so far it appears it was a possibility. Nevertheless, the fact remains that we did not try to get the best possible manager to take over after Fergie. United is a global mega club but for some reason (which defies any reason) a man was picked because he spent 10 years at some mid-table club and because he was Scottish. And this type of stuff happening in the era of modern of football. It's surreal.
I felt exactly the same way when I was watching, nearly posted as much in the matchday thread. I felt we were like the plucky midtable side who were ultimately, and relatively easily swatted away by the superior force.
Unless, obviously, Mourinho has a spectacularly bad season and wins Chelsea only one trophy, gets the sack, and then comes to us. And brings Ronaldo, and Ibra. And then I win Wimbledon.
Of course he did. He was Scottish.
We need more Scottish!! 
his time at Real plus decent CL experience trumps all over Moyes to be fair. Moyes is a nobody in world football compared to him.
Is it true Moyes said we're still in the title race? I haven't seen any quotes, just a report that he said it?
I really wish he'd just stop talking. Everyone else is just laughing at us.
So you'd rather he just didn't address the media?
If he can't stop saying stupid things, then yes.
I'm quite certain he didn't exactly say "we can win the league". More along the lines of "obviously it's very difficult now as we've dropped a lot of points but we'll keep trying to win every game and then see where we are come the end of the season".
He's just saying the right things to the media - take it with a pinch of salt. I'm sure he's taking advice from SAF on that side too.
So are the players.
Pretty much every season you will hear the other managers say 'we'll keep fighting and it's not looking likely but we won't give up until it's mathematically possible.'
Nothing new here.
Pretty much every season you will hear the other managers say 'we'll keep fighting and it's not looking likely but we won't give up until it's mathematically possible.'
Nothing new here.
Vidic has a bad attitude for saying we're out of it and Moyes is an idiot for saying we're in it.
Confeckingfusing.
Confeckingfusing.
Pellegrini's time at Real was a failure. To be fair, Real is a circus, but I don't see how one can draw any positives from his time at Real.
Pellegrinni got 90 plus points. Any other season they would have won the title. But they were up against one of the best teams of all time.
He should have been given another season. Even Mourinho didn't win the league in his first season.
He should have been given another season. Even Mourinho didn't win the league in his first season.
Do you honestly see, that one day he can win the league? Even if one day he finishes his rebuilding and field 11 players of his choice? I don't
At best he steady the ship and get us secured firmly lingering between 5th and 3rd. This is the guy who "NEVER" won away at top 4 for 10 years, I don't see him suddenly beating the likes of Madrid, Barca, Muenchen, and the rest of the big guys. He might pull a lucky win here and there, but consistently? I don't think so.
SAF was the great of the game, he can win with mediocre players doing their bits and pieces, but with Moyes we will need a Barca level of quality to realistically win anything, and I can't see players dying to play for him. I suspect the likes of Kagawa have given up on him and probably eyeing for a move or wishing him to be sacked.
At best he steady the ship and get us secured firmly lingering between 5th and 3rd. This is the guy who "NEVER" won away at top 4 for 10 years, I don't see him suddenly beating the likes of Madrid, Barca, Muenchen, and the rest of the big guys. He might pull a lucky win here and there, but consistently? I don't think so.
SAF was the great of the game, he can win with mediocre players doing their bits and pieces, but with Moyes we will need a Barca level of quality to realistically win anything, and I can't see players dying to play for him. I suspect the likes of Kagawa have given up on him and probably eyeing for a move or wishing him to be sacked.
It wasn't that much of a failure to be honest. They finished with at the time record point total, he couldn't do much about Barcelona being superb that season, they bowed out to Lyon in CL which must have been incredibly disappointing though.
It really could be the worst decision made at United with consequences that last for decades.Of course he can say otherwise...why could he not? he may get villified for it or praised. depends on what he decides to say/not say
You said this window not the summer. None of those players will be sold in this window.
I wonder how much Moyes sees Fergie face to face and how awkward it is #awks
I made the point about Matic being available since the summer.
All of those players would be available if you give the club something to think about. Cabaye is available, Guarin is just about to move, Fernando & Matuidi - got to be a consideration given out of contract in summer, and Draxler is available if you pay buy out. Sporting are in financial trouble so Carvalho is also available. You have to buy a ticket if you want to win the raffle....
For me, it's crazy that there are some good CM available and we still make all seems impossible. I mean, look at Hernanes playing for Lazio. Tremendous player, and not even a snif. Guarin is going to Juve. Matuidi will get a new contract if no one comes hard. And we don't go for the hard targets either, just to affirm our stance. We don't even try.
If, in the most unbelievable circumstances, Mata deal goes through it would make a great step forward, but not really addressing our problems. We'll have to spend big and very intelligently in the next couple windows if we want to get back to top flight european level. And Moyes will have to show a complete change from what he has shown so far. Very inept, so far, but he was chosen for a reason.
If, in the most unbelievable circumstances, Mata deal goes through it would make a great step forward, but not really addressing our problems. We'll have to spend big and very intelligently in the next couple windows if we want to get back to top flight european level. And Moyes will have to show a complete change from what he has shown so far. Very inept, so far, but he was chosen for a reason.
To be fair we have no idea whether we are trying or not. Last summer a load of business was done out in the open and it did us no favours, it is not the way to conduct transfer business, if Woodward is doing his job properly the first we hear about it is after the deal has been done. It is frustrating being in the dark and it does seem like nothing is happening, maybe nothing is, but hold onto the hope that Woodward has taken some instruction from Gill about how to get these things done with minimal fuss and without making the club a laughing stock.
There's absolutely no way we're doing nothing. I'd be amazed if we're not discussing four or five players with their clubs. But I also suspect that transfer negotiations at this level are pretty fluid. Half of the business now seems to be done between third parties and agents, so I'd guess we're trying to shake something loose in the next week or two.
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