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Moyes So Far!
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Mad, it's almost as if Everton signed a goal scorer and we've been missing one.
All in the garden isn't rosey but stats like that are useless for anything apart from Facebook. They tell you very little.
All in the garden isn't rosey but stats like that are useless for anything apart from Facebook. They tell you very little.
Rooneys not a goal scorer?
Well those stats don't mention Everton from this season at all.
Due in large part to David Moyes Everton coming back to draw with us wasn't it.
Everton made some very good signings with the £27 million or so we gifted them last summer.
Also Martinez's Wigan completely outplaying us as well and winning.
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Only problem being they're using it just to pay wages.
Vidic missed far more games last season (he appeared in 23 games, he's already at 20 this season). Jones played 24 games last season, he's already at 22. Rooney missed a lot of games last season, he only made 31 starts. He's at 22 now. I'll give you Carrick and Van Persie but the latter has ample cover while we had an entire summer to do something about our reliance on the former.
But on the other hand, we didn't have Januzaj or Fletcher last season. We didn't have Fellaini either.
We do have injury problems but we always had. The idea that last season every key player was fit for the majority of the campaign is simply not true. We always have big injury crises but we coped far better with them in the past.
What's this? We lost before Moyes arrived?
I don't remember any of that.
I don't get your point? What does that have to do with the quality of the squad? My point was without RVP we finished the season joint top. Wasn't yours that you take RVP out of the team we'd probably be as good as Everton? They're opposite points.
This is just a sort of freeform abstract point.
What does that have to do with anything?
I bet some Spurs fans also thought like this when they lost 7-1 at the Etihad under AVB's nose. They must have felt the bunch of players signed this season were crap. On came Tim Sherwood, using the same set of players and Spurs are on the rise winning home & away like never before. Same squad, different managers - It's not magic. Even Roy Keane will ring positive changes with our squad without needing to spend money.
Our manager is the problem, not the squad! Moyes doesn't even know his strongest team. He's not made a single correct decision since he arrived. We were just playing like headless chickens last night. No real winning mentality, no tactical nous. He's sucked out the chakra of the team & he's at sea with where he's taking us. Stop the venom now before it spreads to the other parts of the body & cause fatality.
Moyes should go!
It happens every single season. Every season we're talking about injury crises' and wondering how it's so excessive with us. People are making a big deal out of this because Moyes is in charge.
We did, but not near as much as we have done since Moyes arrived. Saying that, Moyes is not on the pitch, so its not all his fault.
Don't blame you, it was back in 1991 when we last finished outside the top 4.
Absolutely. There's much revisionism going on to try and justify why we're playing as badly as we are. Much of it seems to involve blaming Sir Alex Ferguson and forgetting that he re-built United from the bottom up and made us the most feared team in England. The idea that Van Persie was some sort of vanity purchase ignores the fact that had City got him they probably would've won the title.
Moyes has made too many mistakes and our current issues are his fault. Ferguson got a lot more out of our players than Moyes has shown he is capable of. Arguably, nobody was ever going to get that much out of them but a better man manager e.g. Mourinho would probably have gee'd up our lads enough to see them top four at this stage of the season. Some of the points we've dropped have been ridiculous. Do we have worse squads than West Brom and Newcastle? Is that what people are trying to tell me? We simply shouldn't be losing those games.
Moyes said before our first Champions League game that we needed 5-6 world class players, but who is he to judge the standard of our squad if he thought £27.5 million on Fellaini would improve us? I'm sure the players would have thought similarly (at least those who didn't have their confidence undercut by words that seemed to show no grasp of human psychology). Especially the senior players who have been there and done it and the likes of Nani and especially Hernandez (on the pitch with 3 minutes to go
never forget that!) who have been frozen out for no good reason that I can see.I struggle to see what Moyes' grand plan is. Defensively we are all over the place with players seemingly having no clue of how to play offside or where they should be in the second phase. Offensively we are about as sharp as a blunt object. There has not been a Laudrup, Martinez, Brenton style shift towards a different style that we as fans can buy into. Its just hoof, get it wide, get crosses in. Looking at the players they are uninspired by what they are being asked to do too.
Yesterday Red Nev was on about how a big name signing can galvanize a team as Arsenal had been boosted by Ozil, yet he ignored a big name manager would have done that too. If you have won practically everything and played under some of the best managers in the world both for club and country, are you going to be inspired by someone who was an average player and who is an average manager? Especially when that person doesn't seem to have any cutting edge ideas about training or tactics?
If we allow it, Moyes will do to us what Souness did to Liverpool in then early 90s. When I watch us now I almost feel like I'm seeing that side with Januzaj playing the role of Steve McManaman, sure B20 sees the parallel. Man Utd with David Moyes as manager will have to face up to a new reality that fourth place is a trophy, good football is no longer guaranteed, and City and Liverpool will be competing for the title and regularly beating us with dismissive ease for years to come.
Indeed: they're good for a joke, that's all. And it's fair enough to joke about it - we deserve that, I suppose.
Still, I'm a bit puzzled by some of his critics. Everyone recognizes that injuries to central players have played a significant part in the campaign so far. Not the difference between our current position and the top of the league - clearly not. But the difference between our current position and that 4th spot most of his critics actually grudgingly admit would be adequate? Why not? We're six points adrift. A couple of wins. We've not lost a single match with both Rooney and RVP on the pitch.
The mad thing is I didn't make a point Mockers. I asked how the stats compare if you take RVP out and have had about a dozen quotes in the 5 mins since on the off chance that it might indicate I'm suggesting cutting Moyes a bit of slack or that RVPs absence might have an impact on how many points we pick up.
So... you're trolling?
I am
I am
True we always had injuries. We all remember the nightmare of having to play Carrick, Fletcher and Park in our back four. But it still can't be ignored this term that Moyes has had to play a lot of games without RvP, Carrick and Rafael. And the last few weeks Rooney.
Carrick, van Persie and Rafael were our 3 best players last term. Throw in Rio dropping off completely as well.
Last summer was a disaster, no doubt. Moyes coming in July didn't help. We should have paid whatever it was to get him here in May. And Gill should have stayed on for the summer. We better have all our transfers sorted before the World Cup this time round or I will be worried.
The converse of that statement is the hiring of a manager and coaching team with no trophies under their belt will have a negative effect on the squad, Red Nev ain't going to criticise the manager/coaching staff as his brother is part of it.
Moyes isn't SAF so we can't get away with it now.
We definitely missed Carrick and Van Persie but those are just two players and we have lost players of their stature before and not gone one continuous losing run. The top managers learn to adapt with the squad they have. In Rafael's case, Moyes has probably shot himself in the foot by barely playing Fabio all season and then fielding him cold before he gets himself sent off.
The squad is actually a big one as well, it's not like Moyes has had to play the kids because injuries are so bad.
About the same amount how many goals Everton scored season has to do with Moyes so far at Utd.
I dont think we were getting away with it to be honest. Everton have an injury crises every year (apart from this one). Arsenal fans seem to think they have it worse. It's just part of the game really. And we've got a big enough squad to deal with it.
I stand corrected. But RVP was brought on as a sub with half an hour to go. And he wasn't on song - which is another factor here. We haven't seen the RVP of last season yet.
And the season before that Jones was our first choice-right back as Rafael was barely ever available and Van Persie wasn't even at the club. We still got 89 points and scored 89 goals. All the players who played an important part in that are all still at the club except Paul Scholes. And we've signed others since then.
By the way, Carrick missed eight league games out of 22. A significant portion no doubt but we had plenty of poor performances when he was available. Coping with injuries is just one thing we failed at this season. It's something we managed far better in previous seasons.
He clearly doesn't look as motivated or is lacking in confidence like 80% of our players
feck me, Moyes is Souness now?
We ignoring the fact he managed at PNE and did some excellent work for Everton for over 10 years?
There is nothing similar between Moyes and Souness apart from nationality.
We ignoring the fact he managed at PNE and did some excellent work for Everton for over 10 years?
There is nothing similar between Moyes and Souness apart from nationality.
Seriously?
You think he had no contact with the club until July? You got to be really stupid to believe that excuse. City and Chelsea made signings.
Agreed add the fact that Souness has actually won a trophy as well (just winding you up).
We have three other strikers though. They've been available most of the time. At least two of them used to be rated quite highly.
RvP was signed to give us an edge in the title race. We shouldn't drop to seventh just because he's not fit. Yes, we would have done better if he was available all the time but the drop from last season would still be massive.
There's a good few players who's heads are already in the clouds preparing for a move away. Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Nani Valencia, Young, Fabio and others are probably all fully aware they're playing at a club where they're either not good enough anymore or too old. Don't think you can underestimate just how much effect that's probably having on the club.
The positives are the players who will be around next year have been pretty good, or at least look like they give a flying feck. Rooney is the elephant in the room.
The positives are the players who will be around next year have been pretty good, or at least look like they give a flying feck. Rooney is the elephant in the room.
Souness is better than Moyes....
I still dunno what people rate in Moyes. He's a very average manager, if he wasn't Scottish, there's no way he would even be interviewed, let alone be appointed for the United job. I rate Redknapp, Martinez, Rodgers, Phelan above Moyes. Any manager that can turn perennial league champions to shyte in 6 months shouldn't even be mentioned under our breaths.
Monseiur Moyes is out of his depth at this level......
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