Moyes So Far!

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Zen86 said:
And that's you're argument that Rio was at his peak last year is it?
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And where did I say he was at his peak? Just that he hasn't been as shit as you have made him out to be. Yes this season he hasn't been good, I don't know maybe his age is showing but last season he didn't do too bad. Many on here were pleased when he signed a year extension.
 
Do we know if Moyes intends to legalise the centre of the pitch before Wednesday?

If not then i propose that we dig pits and lay traps down the middle of Old Trafford, it's just not sporting that the opposition get to play there and we can't.
 
QuackQuack said:
And where did I say he was at his peak? Just that he hasn't been as shit as you have made him out to be. Yes this season he hasn't been good, I don't know maybe his age is showing but last season he didn't do too bad. Many on here were pleased when he signed a year extension.
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Well, seeing as the argument you just butted into was about him being at his best in the last couple years..
 
difference is that at chelsea or city the sugar daddies got the best players available well before the new manager actually took over. United did not have a proper plan and getting rid of gill too made things even worse
 
Kid Cunto said:
He'd be sacked a month ago at either Chelsea or City. It remains to be seen if patience pays off, that's what worries me. I don't think he'll survive 2014 unless we see massive improvements though.
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Yeah I agree with you. People can say that it's invalid because they would sack managers instantly, but the key counter to that would be the fact that many of our own fans would probably justify the sacking of a manager performing like Moyes has if he were at Chelsea or City.

Back when AVB was sacked at Chelsea, I saw a large number of people on here saying it was right for him to go when he was probably performing similarly results wise to Moyes at the moment, with in a squad that had finished lower the previous season than the one Moyes inherited here, and he at least showed some signs of progressive football, compared to Moyes' unimaginative, dire football.
 
Cheesy said:
Yeah I agree with you. People can say that it's invalid because they would sack managers instantly, but the key counter to that would be the fact that many of our own fans would probably justify the sacking of a manager performing like Moyes has if he were at Chelsea or City.

Back when AVB was sacked at Chelsea, I saw a large number of people on here saying it was right for him to go when he was probably performing similarly results wise to Moyes at the moment, with in a squad that had finished lower the previous season than the one Moyes inherited here, and he at least showed some signs of progressive football, compared to Moyes' unimaginative, dire football.
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This is my main concern. I can take not winning, it's impossible to remain on top forever. But feck me, we could at least try play some attractive football. Honestly I'd be looking at Martínez, Laudrup, Klopp and Simeone for next year should it not improve. They all play progressive attractive football and have all won at least one trophy, unlike Moyes.
 
MJJ said:
The difference is that we lost out on hazard due to chelsea paying his agent 6m and lost out on moura due to leonardo and PSG paying him more money than he was worth. In both cases, we targeted the right player and had a bid accepted. Not like bidding 25m for a player of fabregas ilk and then being shocked when the selling club doesnt accept it. Or not going for thiago as moyes hadnt scouted him personally for three years.

Rio a couple of years back, was as good as he ever was. You also seem to be missing the trio of excellent centre backs that SAF sign just waiting to step in once rio retired. According to reports, we also had a deal for garay lined up which moyes scrapped due to him not scouting the player personally for three years.
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@zen86 he never referred to Rio being at his peak just that he was good as ever and again last year he was selected for the team of the year.
 
Cheesy said:
Yeah I agree with you. People can say that it's invalid because they would sack managers instantly, but the key counter to that would be the fact that many of our own fans would probably justify the sacking of a manager performing like Moyes has if he were at Chelsea or City.

Back when AVB was sacked at Chelsea, I saw a large number of people on here saying it was right for him to go when he was probably performing similarly results wise to Moyes at the moment, with in a squad that had finished lower the previous season than the one Moyes inherited here, and he at least showed some signs of progressive football, compared to Moyes' unimaginative, dire football.
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AVB was undermined by the older players in the squad. Completely different situation.
 
QuackQuack said:
@zen86 he never referred to Rio being at his peak just that he was good as ever and again last year he was selected for the team of the year.
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Well, that's pretty much the same thing. I'm not saying he's rubbish, but he's obviously not what he used to be, last year and certainly not this year.
 
I was encouraged by the way we played in the first half an hour. If we had better players or van Persie and Rooney fit I'm pretty sure we would have taken the lead.
Also I'm encouraged with what Moyes is doing with Januzaj. If we can just add to the creative talent, I think Moyes would have them firing. We played in a very positive manner especially for someone who is allegedly, a defensive manager.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
AVB was undermined by the older players in the squad. Completely different situation.
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Which would've been yet another reason for him to stay and let him overhaul the squad, yet he was never given that opportunity and many here felt he deserved to go, but would probably defend Moyes and say it's right that he's given time.
 
Gerald G said:
I was encouraged by the way we played in the first half an hour. If we had better players or van Persie and Rooney fit I'm pretty sure we would have taken the lead.
Also I'm encouraged with what Moyes is doing with Januzaj. If we can just add to the creative talent, I think Moyes would have them firing. We played in a very positive manner especially for someone who is allegedly, a defensive manager.
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He likes the team to come out quickly, we've began explosively in our games since the turn of the year. But we're dog shite at either creating chances or finishing them. We also fall into complacency too easily and become dull and tumescent again. Whether that's down to lack of confidence or lack of energy I'm unsure, probably both. Either way we're fecking muck.
 
Kid Cunto said:
He likes the team to come out quickly, we've began explosively in our games since the turn of the year. But we're dog shite at either creating chances or finishing them. We also fall into complacency too easily and become dull and tumescent again. Whether that's down to lack of confidence or lack of energy I'm unsure, probably both. Either way we're fecking muck.
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I think that's down to lack of quality and then we've struggled when we've fell behind.
 
Cheesy said:
Which would've been yet another reason for him to stay and let him overhaul the squad, yet he was never given that opportunity and many here felt he deserved to go, but would probably defend Moyes and say it's right that he's given time.
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If he were facing the same situation as AVB was, with the players basically going into mutiny, I'd want Moyes fired as well. Because the situation was untenable.

That's not the case here. So, I couldn't disagree more with your comparison. Apples and oranges.
 
Gerald G said:
I think that's down to lack of quality and then we've struggled when we've fell behind.
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I don't know if quality comes into it all that much, we've hardly played intricate football. Moyes has tried to keep it simple yet fast. His Everton side were more than capable playing to this fashion, and they were hardly littered with quality.
 
I don't understand why the club always looking to work towards the long term means we are unable to also work to help improve in the short term. Not to long ago we brought in Larsson so it's not like it goes against everything we stand for. Not like we can't afford to do both.
 
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I think he's just fed up with the lack of talent at his disposal and the fact he's not getting the rub of the green. I'd imagine he's aware his job currently isn't on the line, say he's sweating to shaft half the players and to bring in his own.
 
Shimo said:
I don't understand why the club always looking to work towards the long term means we are unable to also work to help improve in the short term. Not to long ago we brought in Larsson so it's not like it goes against everything we stand for. Not like we can't afford to do both.
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Larsson was just a loan signing, you can't pick those up all the time, the options just aren't there. If we've got priority players which could be signed in the summer, we shouldn't go for lesser options just so we get a new player now.
 
No comment on Moyes' own performance as manager (it's obvious he's been way below par) but with each passing game I think it's becoming more and more apparent just how bad the squad he was handed is.
 
.Rossi said:
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Obviously not the point of the pic but I'm glad Fletcher is back. Been hearing a lot of good things about his influence on squad (particularly with regards to Januzaj). Leadership is much needed now.
 
I'd love to hear SAF talking sincerely about what is happening right now, what side he'd be on, whether he ever expected the transition to be this bad. Not to hear him talking on the record as he'd just be politic. I'm sure he anticipated it being difficult for his successor but he seemed to work so hard to ensure the smoothest possible transition. This must be breaking his heart.
 
IF....we had taken the lead against Spurs when we came out of the blocks firing, IF we had scored today in the first 15 minutes when we looked very comfortable, we would have gone on to win those games, easy. The reason why we didn't is our best 2 players, who happen to be forwards, are out. Any team in the world would struggle under this conditions. Moyes has been beyond unlucky this season. I love Danny Welbeck but he is never going to give us 15 goals a season, even if he played every week. In the last two games he has fluffed his lines when given a sniff and things like that seem to be the difference this season. For much of the play in the last month hasn't been that far away from the dross we played under Fergie for large parts of the last few years, but we always seemed to find a goal.
Moyes next signing is absolutely critical, but I think he'll get it right. He has already tried to get the players that we longed for Fergie to go for, but the club has fecked it up for him. I believe Fellaini will come good, he just needs to be fit.
I don't think it will be a CM or a LB but a winger, a proper direct, able to cross...dribble....run at defenders winger. Come on Moyes, we are behind you.
 
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