Moyes So Far!
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You have to ask the question "would changing managers at this stage make things any worse?". Of course it depends who is available but its hard to see how they could do much worse. I could really see the likes of Gus Hiddink improve us no end.
I support Moyes 100%
He needs to sort this shit out immediately, missing 4th is not option.
Needs to step the feck up
He needs to sort this shit out immediately, missing 4th is not option.
Needs to step the feck up
He needs the fear factor, kick the shit out the players Moyes
Moyes fondling Rooney's balls surely helped, but Rooney was motivated by getting more money/a move and the World Cup. Moyes has also gone out of his way to accommodate Rooney more than Fergie ever would have. I just don't think it's a smart long-term move since the player wants to go. It will leave the team weaker when the focal point has left. And for all of the ego-stroking, we're much worse off than we were last season when Rooney was on the team's periphery.
Yeah, young ones.
Well it partly was, we did quite well to get in on one side and what it needed was the other winger coming inside to add numbers to the box. Plus it would be nice if the wingers would actually take on players themselves and not need both the full back and a midfielder/attacker to come short to create anything. In fact I'm struggling to think of a good ball either Valencia/Young put in. Seemed to me to just be Januzaj.
So one article counts as "widely reported"? It took me all of 30 seconds to find articles that put the total fee at around £35 million.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...t-marouane-fellaini-joining-club-8794831.html
True enough, but I can understand his eagerness to try and keep him, having walked into that mess from day one.
Fellaini is not United quality, that is a given. It's difficult to judge quality of managers unless we have behind the scenes access.
We could do with some wingers and centrebacks at the minute.
Or we can use the one we have right now to better effect.
Considering we had rio and vidic at their peak, why would you sign another top class CB? Ofcourse he will be interested in young ones. As for wingers, we were in for sanchez,hazard,moura of the top of my head. All three are future worldclass players.
After today I realized that our problem is Moyes won't either go complete defensive or offensive. Quite a few occasions today we ended up with only 2 players in the box in some very promising situations. On the other side we had Chelsea being almost dangerous on the break because we had not quite decided to play for the draw either.
The Everton game comes to mind when we did well enough at times to get forward but didn't have enough players supporting. On the flip side you could see Everton attack in numbers because Martinez has gone with that commitment.
When we finally got a cm into the box today we scored. Might have earlier had we been instructed to get more men into the box. This one foot in each side is leading to us being mediocre on both ends. Needs to pick one or the other and then stick to it.
The Everton game comes to mind when we did well enough at times to get forward but didn't have enough players supporting. On the flip side you could see Everton attack in numbers because Martinez has gone with that commitment.
When we finally got a cm into the box today we scored. Might have earlier had we been instructed to get more men into the box. This one foot in each side is leading to us being mediocre on both ends. Needs to pick one or the other and then stick to it.
No one here has behind the scenes access, which is why he is being judged on his results.
A) I seem to remember Scholes coming back from retirement to give us a massive boost in cm. Was that more than three years ago? Giggs started in the crucial CL tie against Madrid last year, didn't he? Both have been important players over the last four years.
B) Ferdinand and Vidic were indeed injured a lot but any time they were fit they were much better players than they have been this season. Ferdinand's decline from last season has been particularly damaging.
C) Yes, Ferdinand, Evra and Vidic do indeed need replacing. We could also do with finally replacing Paul Scholes. Also, we probably need another cm on top of that seeing as Anderson turned out to be useless, Cleverley isn't really good enough, Giggs is on the way out and Fletcher is recovering from a career threatening illness. Also, we could probably do with some decent wingers seeing as we play them all the time. Also, we have the Rooney situation to deal with, might want to start looking at potential replacements for him too. How many players is that? Not everything was going to be perfect but come on...
D) It's not like SAF didn't keep playing Valencia repeatedly too, is it? He signed both him and Young, not like it's all Moyes' fault. Did it seem to you like SAF was particularly keen to play Nani last season either?
E) All of this while accepting that Moyes had been poor so far. It is by no means all his fault though.
Young and Valencia are incapable of taking on defenders. It's that simple. Yes, they should have gotten into the box but Welbeck was constantly in the wrong place.
Rio has been getting on for a few years now, and Vidic's not far behind.
What difference does 'being in for' those players make? The same sources say we were in for practically everyone last summer, should we commend Moyes and Woodward for that?No.
i don't think Moyes would be still in the job at any other top 6 club by now excluding everton with the results so far this season...just hope patience is the right way forward...at least we have cardiff at home as next game so that should be straight forward but the way things are going u just never know
He'd be sacked a month ago at either Chelsea or City. It remains to be seen if patience pays off, that's what worries me. I don't think he'll survive 2014 unless we see massive improvements though.
I think he is paying the price for us buying RVP last year instead of fixing the midfield. RVP is a great player, but our squad is seriously unbalanced because of his addition.
Rio has been getting on for a few years now, and Vidic's not far behind.
The difference is that we lost out on hazard due to chelsea paying his agent 6m and lost out on moura due to leonardo and PSG paying him more money than he was worth. In both cases, we targeted the right player and had a bid accepted. Not like bidding 25m for a player of fabregas ilk and then being shocked when the selling club doesnt accept it. Or not going for thiago as moyes hadnt scouted him personally for three years.
Rio a couple of years back, was as good as he ever was. You also seem to be missing the trio of excellent centre backs that SAF sign just waiting to step in once rio retired. According to reports, we also had a deal for garay lined up which moyes scrapped due to him not scouting the player personally for three years.
Agreed, its not like he spent 30m to fix the problem in the summer or anything.
Hard to say... He'd be gone from Chelsea or City, no doubt. Everton I think we can conclusively say he wouldn't, and I don't think Arsenal's track record suggests they'd be that impatient. Spurs are borderline, they certainly aren't averse to firing a manager, but I don't think they would fire him just yet for 7th place while Liverpool probably would have fired him, but a lot of good either of those clubs' managerial decisions have done them over the last decade.
Stop spouting tabloid rubbish as if it's fact.
And Rio was not as good as he ever was two years ago.
A) That doesn't mean they were integral to our success. They helped but let's not pretend at times they weren't a hindrance.
B) yeah I agree with that, especially with Rio but Fergie always got the best out of Rio and you could visibly see that, what's stopping Moyes?
C) Moyes was given 30 million to find a decent replacement for Scholes......He signed Marouane Fellaini.
It's not that hard to find competent central midfield players, despite what our club have shown the last few years (How much did Cabaye and McCarthy cost again?).
Moyes had the chance to bring his own knowledge to the club and sign some new central midfielders, he did nothing and then signed a big pole who has completely shrunk in the big club surroundings.
We don't need decent wingers, in fact we need to stop signing wingers, now. With Januzaj and Kagawa, we had the chance to slightly change and adapt the way we play from the wide areas, Moyes had Pienaar playing almost as an inside forward for years and it was very effective. Rooney is fine now. Well for now anyway. I'll give Moyes credit there, he's settled Rooney down again. But he'll outdo all of that if he fails to get us in the CL.
D) Yeah Fergie was stubborn with Valencia but I suppose it was a case where last season was the only time Valencia underperformed, as of now, he's had the back drop of last seasons shitness combined with this seasons shitness, yet still every week without fail, he starts. Fergie made mistakes last year but Moyes is making the same ones and more.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...est-forming-queue-join-Manchester-United.html
I can't believe I haven't read this before just now! Incredible claim. Yet, it's difficult to buy in January is it? He's a fecking nightmare in the media.
I can't believe I haven't read this before just now! Incredible claim. Yet, it's difficult to buy in January is it? He's a fecking nightmare in the media.Tabloid rubbish? It was reported everywhere. Or do you only believe what MUTV tells you?
He was good enough to play for us without us looking to sign an immediate replacement. So when you say SAF never splash the money on CBs and wingers you are spouting bs.
You're kidding, right? Rio lost us two or three games single handedly at the beginning of the season. After that, he didn't deserve the time that would be spent figuring out whatever his problem was considering his age.
And his problem is obvious - his age.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...est-forming-queue-join-Manchester-United.html
Yes, if he says United are a team players want to come to, he's a "nightmare."
Said this in another thread a couple weeks ago, but still thinks it's true. Of course this isn't 'Moyes' team, but part of managing/leading is making the most of what you have at your disposal. It's blatantly obvious that's not happening. Our defense is making schoolboy errors, we have no set way to play and when it does look like we may have hit on a good formula to play well the very next game he rotates, taking out the player(s) who performed well previously.
Oh, so you think he has been excellent in press conferences and interviews etc.?
36 million euros not £
You must have a short memory, Rio was in the Premier League team of the year 2013.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/apr/29/pfa-premier-league-team-year
Watch yourself dude. I got slaughtered by the top reds in the match day thread for saying something similar.
And that's you're argument that Rio was at his peak last year is it?
I'm all for given him time, but if there's no improvement by the winter period next season he'd have to be sacked. Eighteen months with the resources he has should be enough to prove himself.
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