Like some central midfielders? He was more likely to have bought another striker and a load of 17 year old 'prospects'.
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Like some central midfielders? He was more likely to have bought another striker and a load of 17 year old 'prospects'.
Even if we win every game from now on, we can only get 85 points. Interesting and damning.
I don't think we were as bad today as we have been lately. Hard to say whether that's progress or not.
Actually £36 million. Ander Herrera is also a far better footballer, so I'd say those extra £9 million would've been worth it.
Fellaini isn't good enough so we may have to spend another £30m fixing the problem. May have worked out cheaper just to buy the better player in the first place, no? Do the math.
Similar to chelsea's opening offer? And we all saw the reaction to that. Wonder what our opening offer for ronaldo would have been, 40m?
Not that I actually want to get into a serious discussion about Jose again, but this is generally a complete myth.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/artic...ring-youth-talent-a-myth-1532821#.Utwj6mTFK2w
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jose-mourinho-desperate-chelseas-academy-3036232
Are we really going to argue this? This is no excuse for having a whole summer and just buying Fellaini when it was clear to see we need 3 quality signings. So what if Fergie went another summer without a midfielder, we would have probably brought a quality winger, centre back and left back.. That would have still been enough even if we kept losing midfield battles.
Erm, no. Fellaini cost 27.5m and Herrera would have been 30.5 million. No idea where you got 45 because it certainly wasn't that much.
Season can't end soon enough. Moyes hasn't got an ounce of luck this season, the poor miserable bastard.
Well the writing was on the wall for him when it was revealed he insisted on drinking wine at Alex Ferguson's traditional post game glass of Irn Bru in his office.
I absolutely hate the cnuts that blame our squad for the position we find ourselves in. No one's saying we should be running away with the league but its a squad that should be fighting for the title, a top 4 finish should be comfortable.
Where did you pull that one from?
It was reported at the time. Laugh away, that was the number in reports.
It's 36million euro's, not even pounds. An extra 3 million and then probably another 3 or 4 for the taxes and what not to deal with the release clause stuff is all it would have needed, yet instead of picking quality on the ball, he picked big and strong and somebody with little quality on the ball but good at heading it.
Thing is loosing isn't so much the issue here for me, we do have injuries etc but my main gripes are;
1- He just will not change his approach to games regardless of the players available or their form
2- He seems oblivious to the actual problems we're having in a game, his substitutions just change one player for another, rather than look to change our tactical approach
3- For all this talk of our squad not being much better than top 7 without our star players, is this not what the manager is for? To get more out of decent players than others would?
Like I said if Chelsea had simply outplayed us, or got a lucky break than fair play. But they only got one lucky goal. Their other two were pure poor play on our part and for our side whilst we competed well at times we simply couldn't create many genuine opportunities and that for me was a result of Moyes failing to acknowledge the weaknesses in our team and the strength of the opposition. It's not even a case of 442 being a dated system, that's not the problem, the problem is playing it when you don't have good wingers, you only have one midfielder and then lining up in such a way that you're most creative player is the one most removed from the action.
1- He just will not change his approach to games regardless of the players available or their form
2- He seems oblivious to the actual problems we're having in a game, his substitutions just change one player for another, rather than look to change our tactical approach
3- For all this talk of our squad not being much better than top 7 without our star players, is this not what the manager is for? To get more out of decent players than others would?
Like I said if Chelsea had simply outplayed us, or got a lucky break than fair play. But they only got one lucky goal. Their other two were pure poor play on our part and for our side whilst we competed well at times we simply couldn't create many genuine opportunities and that for me was a result of Moyes failing to acknowledge the weaknesses in our team and the strength of the opposition. It's not even a case of 442 being a dated system, that's not the problem, the problem is playing it when you don't have good wingers, you only have one midfielder and then lining up in such a way that you're most creative player is the one most removed from the action.
He's been unlucky with major players out for long periods.
Moyes also knew, and tried to sign a left back, and mid-fielders. Personally his biggest mistake as a manager was to sign Fellaini. Other than that, unless we know what's going on behind the scenes he has hardly done much wrong.
Moyes also knew, and tried to sign a left back, and mid-fielders. Personally his biggest mistake as a manager was to sign Fellaini. Other than that, unless we know what's going on behind the scenes he has hardly done much wrong.
Yeah, Fergie was famous for splashing the cash on quality in positions such as those in recent years. Get a grip.
Moyes isn't blameless but this is the all too predicable result of years of under investment in the team. Perhaps this is why the Glazers went with Moyes...someone willing to take all the flak, even after a disastrous transfer window that gave us no chance of competing and seemingly nothing in this window.
Barcelona had one of the best sides of all time, yet go out and buy the likes of Sanchez, Fabregas and Neymar. Madrid break the world record to land Bale and add Isco too. Bayern, even as treble winners get Goetze and Thiago...next season they get Lewandowski. City spent close to £100 million this summer, even with a squad already capable of winning the league.
We bought Fellaini. In the summer we will possibly lose Fabio, Evra, Vidic, Rooney and it looks as if Anderson will permanently leave. We require so much investment that it's going to take astronomical amounts to return to the top. They'll spend but the absolute minimum to get 4th place...but let's blame Moyes instead...
Barcelona had one of the best sides of all time, yet go out and buy the likes of Sanchez, Fabregas and Neymar. Madrid break the world record to land Bale and add Isco too. Bayern, even as treble winners get Goetze and Thiago...next season they get Lewandowski. City spent close to £100 million this summer, even with a squad already capable of winning the league.
We bought Fellaini. In the summer we will possibly lose Fabio, Evra, Vidic, Rooney and it looks as if Anderson will permanently leave. We require so much investment that it's going to take astronomical amounts to return to the top. They'll spend but the absolute minimum to get 4th place...but let's blame Moyes instead...
He's better than he's shown. But you spend every moment on here acting like Moyes raped your dog, so I take your opinion with a grain of salt until you return to the world of the reasoned.
Right now? No, but by the end of the season we might be close. He would have signed players rather than dicking about reevaluating everyone because clearly Fergie's scouts were imbeciles, would have maintained continuity with training and preparation, and he would know what he's doing. The top teams have not been great this season. United have just been appalling. He also wouldn't have re-centered the team around a player who is going to leave in the summer or after next season.
Blame woodie
How much time was wasted insisting on going after players we were never going to get ?
They both have to take a fair share of the blame.
45 million
Link?
You mean you're believing one little article that Ballbag wrote on how Javi Martinez's was really complicated so that Herrera's might have been the same? Bayern paid 40 million or so because they didn't want to have to deal with all the stuff required with a release clause, but even so, his release clause was 34 million I think. Herrera would have been 35 at the very most. Just search Ander Herrera release clause on google.
Seriously? He had a hardon for wingers and centrebacks.
I haven't seen any of these reports, £45 million? I think you're mistaken, all the reports I can see are on average €36 million.
Or you could advance that logic one step further by saying it's too early to judge the Fellaini transfer, at which point Moyes hasn't done anything wrong at all.
Problem today wasn't the wingers, though. Several decent balls were put into the box and no one was there. Case of missing players in the 6 yard box until Hernandez came on.
Behave with had plenty quality come through United. Get a grip? You just about hanging on! Young was crap signing name me another crap winger or centre back he has brought in the last 4 years.
It's all down to moyes, he got rid of the coaching staff that know the players inside out, but no he wanted to bring his own staff in, replacing world class coaches with phill Neville, he's up shit creek without a paddle, he looks defeated before games even start, he's not big enough for united
Unfortunately any new manager has to come in with his own methods. As for the top teams not being great this season, I'd say they are much, much stronger than last season and the season before. Moyes was a hero on here for many for getting Rooney playing better not so long ago.
I kept on thinking at least he will get a pre season with the team, then I remembered it is a world cup year and the players taking part will have more time off, that will probably rule him out of the tour.
It's easier for you to name a great centre back or winger we have bought in the last 4 years.
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