That all sounds good and all but I think Mourinho, Wenger and Pellegrini are just too Scottish for us at the moment.
Moyes So Far!
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That all sounds good and all but I think Mourinho, Wenger and Pellegrini are just too Scottish for us at the moment.
Fergie knew how to keep us winning without addressing the issues. It's not his job to do every little hing for moyes and leave him with a team like bayern. He let moyes bring in his own man for midfield, and moyes brought a useless human mic.
The same problems that Ferguson arrogantly ignored for nigh-on four years?
I don't think anyone is really suggesting that Moyes shouldn't be doing better, of course he should. So far he's been an underperforming disappointment, no question.
The squad really is weak though. The team has been criticised for years as being increasingly average, it's not like this is some excuse people are suddenly latching on to to defend Moyes. Added to that, the core group of players that kept this relatively average squad competing (Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand, Carrick, Giggs, Scholes) are all going or gone in terms of age. That's four captains on the way out? There really is a lot of work to be done.
Pfft, none of them have the deeply ingrained family values and determined work ethic of your average Scottish person.
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choosing players based just on their physicality is another thing that worries me. Fletcher himself has said he's still working on his stamina and I can understand why he wasn't on the pitch. But on a big game like this, we should be starting our best players than our Physically strong ones. And jones wasn't 100% back.,right? He was rushed.
choosing players based just on their physicality is another thing that worries me. Fletcher himself has said he's still working on his stamina and I can understand why he wasn't on the pitch. But on a big game like this, we should be starting our best players than our Physically strong ones. And jones wasn't 100% back.,right? He was rushed.
When Rooney, Van Persie and Carrick are all out? Bar Newcastle, absolutely they're the level we're at, as a unit.
And that's the be all and end all of the argument is it?
Were you in a coma for most of August? Moyes also went in hard for Fabregas and Herrera, which both failed to come to fruition.
Moyes identified and made more bids for midfielders in six weeks than Ferguson managed in the previous four years.
Dunno if a £35m bid for Cesc is going in hard...
He bid £25m for fabregas and didnt value herrera for more than £20m. Going in hard!
The same problems that Ferguson arrogantly ignored for nigh-on four years?
Do you think Fergie wouldn't have signed 3 or 4 players this summer if he had still be in charge?
Well that is certainly true of Mourinho who as we all know was carved off the Rosetta stone as a fully formed 30 year old by Bobby Robson in 1992.
He didn't bid further for Fabregas when he realised Barcelona didn't want to sell. Herrera he said wasn't worth his buyout clause, which he isn't.
He should have done better in the transfer market but I won't blame him for those two.
So now the bidding process is Moyes' fault as well?
Nope. Two signings, maximum. Fergie has never been a fan of making multiple transfers in the same window/time period.
He'd already signed Zaha so that was his annual winger/attacker quota used up, and the other signing would have been a defender (Garay, probably).
He left him with the Rooney situation though, having to deal with him and his shitbag agent when also trying to sign players won't have helped. Unfortunately for Moyes he will probably have to deal with Rooney and his shitbag agent this summer as well.
So Fellaini was worth more than the buyout but Herrera wasn't? Not saying Moyes out but he must take blame for some major boo boo's this year.
A) Even if barca wanted to sell, 25m is way too low.
B)People shouldnt bring those two up as examples of midfielders that moyes tried to sign in that case.
I don't really see much flexibility in how we can play with the current set up. We're basically stuck playing a derivative of 4-4-2 with this squad, with both the wings and central midfield being abysmal (ignoring the other deficiencies in the squad).
Going for Fabregas is only slightly more realistic then going after Messi. It was never going to happen in a million years. It's even more laughable that we bid 25 million for him
And Herrera? Well he went for him in the last few hours of the transfer window after not doing anything the previous 2 months, and then decided to spend the money on Fellaini instead of Herrera. feck knows why. He didn't go in hard for him though, he valued him at 20 million, which is a fair value but everybody knows how Athletic Bilbao works. No point in trying to haggle with the price, because you won't get anywhere.
He needs to go I'm afraid. Nice guy, and I hope he would be able to find another club, but he's in way out of his depth.
True. But still, its not like 100% of Moyes' concentration was on Rooney. If it was, why didn't he bring in a director of football if he didn't know/didn't have time to focus on transfers?
Its almost like he has a clueless cnut, as a chief executive as well.
It's soon getting to the stage where Sir Alex was so amazing he managed to turn relegation candidates into runaway champions.
We should be grateful Moyes is getting us midtable with those useless players.
Yeah, it's not like he's regarded as the greatest manager of all time or anything. Like it or not he had a pretty unique way of creating a team far better than the sum of individual parts.
Maybe we should be looking at Fellaini, Moyes would be expecting better from him. He was good for Everton but maybe either the shock of actually coming here or thinks he has made it, he has not performed.
Pah! For all his undoubtable qualities as a football manager, tactician, motivator, picker of suitable teams, maker of early substitutions, buyer of quality, beloved engendrer of loyalty from players and fans alike, coat wearer, etc, he's never had the intrinsic class of a Scottish person to be suitable for Manchester United.
I don't know about that, 3/4 players in one window was fairly common for Fergie.
What's Herrera's buyout clause?
As I've said he had a poor summer window but to blame him for stuff like Herrera and Fabregas is wrong in my opinion.
Moyes has managed Fellaini for years, he should've been able to judge his mentality for the big stage and coach the best out of him. If Fellaini is struggling surely Moyes must take some blame.
I'm pretty sure £25m was just an opening offer.
The Glazers would never have chosen him as he does not develop young players, he buys players and manages them well. They would be having apoplexy every summer when he came asking for more money to buy even more players. They wouldn't be the 10 to 20 million players, they would be the 40 to 50 million pound players.
Do you think Fergie would be winning the league by 11 points this season?
I would say that he averaged about four new signings per season over the last few years of his tenure but often two of those were punts on squad players like Buttner and Lindegaard, and relative unknown youngsters like De Laet, Diouf and Tosic.
I couldn't tell you the last time that Fergie signed four players ready-made for the first team.
You can't tell how a players will be until they are here. That has been proved with top strikers who have come here and failed over the years.
Scholes and Giggs haven't been integral to our success in the last three years. Ferdinand and Vidic have been injured a lot in recent seasons. Fergie coped adequately enough with it.
I dont think Carrick is on the decline, a player like him doesn't rely on his mobility to be effective so him ageing won't make a huge difference to his play(see Pirlo).
I do feel Evra/Vidic/Ferdinand need replacing but surely that is Moyes and the new regimes job? Was Fergie meant to leave every single thing perfect?
He left him with Degea, Rafael, Evans, Jones, Carrick, Januzaj, Kagawa, Welbeck, Rooney and van Persie and then some, if that's not enough to secure at the very least a top 4 spot then Moyes isn't very good at his job.
Add to that Moyes had the chance/option of resurrecting or giving a chance to people like Zaha/Kagawa and Nani but instead he's played it safe and stuck with the repeatedly tried and failed Valencia and Young.
By no means am I saying Kagawa, Zaha and Nani are perfect, nor saviours but how about giving them an opportunity rather than persisting with the repeated garbage Young and Valencia serve up.
If you have managed that player for years you should have some insight. How can you have been with a player for X years and not have a clue about their psychology?
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