Moyes So Far!

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I think there should be some concern about Moyes from a tactical POV as well as with his selections and the amount of risk he is taking with players who aren't fit.

There's no innovation or tactical competency, so when our plan A falls through, Moyes looks lost and makes no tactical adjustments. Basically, as we capitulate, he offers not so much as a band aid to prevent the wound opening further, which is why we've been on the end of so many multiple goal losses this season.

Unless Fletcher is injured, why is Jones, who is clearly not match fit, being asked to play what looks like a full game, away, at Chelsea? Not only does this risk him being re-injured, it has the potential to knock his confidence lest we forget the age of the lad. He's done similar in playing Van Persie and Rooney when they shouldn't have been on the pitch.

It seems so antiquated and ill-advised in this day and age.

Losing to Chelsea in and of itself isn't an issue - we've lost there a lot more than we've won even under Fergie at our most successful, but the manner in which we lose games these days is a big worry because our players look lost out there and not entirely certain of what they're doing.

Win or lose, we should always have some semblance of a coherent plan and strategy, and apart from either passing it to Januzaj and praying or getting it wide and mindlessly crossing to a forward line that don't like heading the ball, we don't have that these days.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
I'm afraid to say but it does look as if he's lost the players.

He really needs to do something in this window, otherwise I can't see us making the top 4. It's fortunate we don't play the likes of Chelsea or City every week.
I do think we'll go on a run now and beat the rest, especially with Rooney and RVP back soon - but our squad is woefully average in comparison to the top 4. It's amazing how Fergie got so much out of them.

I don't want him to be sacked, but he really needs to buy a fecking player or two to inspire us and march for the top 4.
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If he's lost the players its shutters for him. Nothing he can do in the winter window to change that.
 
For me he bottled it as feck today, he insists with playing Valencia then fine, but don't be surprised with shite results then. He's absolutelly useless and takes place from Januzaj who is far better at right wing.

And Jones shouldn't have played today, too big match after so long injury.
 
Zen86 said:
Contradiction much?
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Not really because I think those issue would stop us mounting a title challenge not being 6 points off fourth place.

We could be 7 points behind Everton by the end of this round of fixtures. Do you think that is a fair reflection on the ability of the squad?
 
kouroux said:
Given the different injuries happening throughout the season, the available players for both teams made the squads pretty much on the same level. Martinez has just gotten more out of his players than Moyes ever has at Man Utd.
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I am persuaded.
 
poisson said:
We need a sugar daddy - where's a rich arab when you need one?
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We don't need a sugar daddy, we just need an owner that doesn't take a big portion of our profits for their own personal use. With our revenues alone we would be able to compete with Real Madrid in transfer money, just look at Bayern Munich.
 
By the look of his face, there's probably more a chance of him resigning, than us sacking him.
 
I'll stick to what I said earlier. Sack him if we don't finish 4th, which basically is basically looking more and more like "sack him at the end of the season" as time passes. We might as well now given we don't look anywhere near good enough to finish 4th but I think we're too much in freefall to recover right now even if we get someone new. Let's get this season over with and reboot.
 
Fortitude said:
I think there should be some concern about Moyes from a tactical POV as well as with his selections and the amount of risk he is taking with players who aren't fit.
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Agreed. He should've gone with the same lineup as the Swansea game, with kawaga in the middle and Janujaz on the right.
I mean, playing Janujaz (who did very well btw) up top against terry and cahil - what utter stupidity.
 
lilcurt said:
Not really because I think those issue would stop us mounting a title challenge not being 6 points off fourth place.

We could be 7 points behind Everton by the end of this round of fixtures. Do you think that is a fair reflection on the ability of the squad?
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I clearly don't rate the ability of our squad as highly as you do
 
Ps. The manager hasn't seen a player in the world that can improve a team that's lost 4 out of 5 this month?

K.
 
I was one of the people who supported Moyes as a candidate before he took over and was happy when he did but he's been so, so disappointing.

How can he be so utterly uncompromising in playing a 442. I know he dropped Rooney deeper for the odd game, but more often than not he wants to play a 442 and won't change it, despite it not working. He know's our midfield is weak yet regardless of whom we come up against and how they play he makes no allowances.

We did pretty well in the first ten minutes or so, but really that was due to us playing at an intensity that we should be playing in every game. In reality how many chances did we create? One for Welbeck, that's all I can think off. We completely too Januzaj out of an area where he had been our most influential playr and also moved Welbeck from leading the line.

Then once the game settled he didn't make any changes once it became clear we weren't really creating, he should have changed it at half time but he let it continue and then we went 3 down. And again we saw him make the same changes he always does, bring a striker on and change one winger for another. Not address the fact that we can't dominate the ball or get through centrally. No just play the same way with different people.

In fairness Hernandez did well, but he could have done well with us moving to a 433/451. I just don't get it. Young wasn't working that hard so him coming in for defensive solidity doesn't fly for me and Jones was ineffectual. The worst thing about Jones is that he doesn't even play deeper than Carrick. Surely the one benefit he could bring is free up Carrick to push up a little.

People can say that he didn't get the backing he needed in the transfer windows and need to bring in some players, but how he has utlized the players he'd had is very frustrating for me. And regardless of who he brings in if he shows such a lack of imagination in how he uses his players and an oblivousness to the problems we're having then we're still gonna have problems.
 
The best thing he could do for united is to resign. We'll never be a top team with him. He's a midtable manager, that's it. He's not modern enough in his ways and tactics, our only change since sir Alex left was get rid of any type of penetration and change to completely lumping it in from the wings. The sooner he's gone, the better, because we'll have more time to fix the disaster that he's been and we still might save our season and get top 4.
 
Let's wait for his interview now...smile on his face followed by 'we move onto the next game'

Get rid before he completely fecks this club up, he's not the man for the job anyone can see that.
 
bosnian_red said:
The best thing he could do for united is to resign. We'll never be a top team with him. He's a midtable manager, that's it. He's not modern enough in his ways and tactics, our only change since sir Alex left was get rid of any type of penetration and change to completely lumping it in from the wings. The sooner he's gone, the better, because we'll have more time to fix the disaster that he's been and we still might save our season and get top 4.
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Pretty much.
 
Kill 'em all said:
We don't need a sugar daddy, we just need an owner that doesn't take a big portion of our profits for their own personal use. With our revenues alone we would be able to compete with Real Madrid in transfer money, just look at Bayern Munich.
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ah - but Bayern don't have the likes of Chelsea and City in their league - i.e clubs with billionaire owners. But anyway, that point is secondary - the main concern is MOYES.
 
bosnian_red said:
The best thing he could do for united is to resign. We'll never be a top team with him. He's a midtable manager, that's it. He's not modern enough in his ways and tactics, our only change since sir Alex left was get rid of any type of penetration and change to completely lumping it in from the wings. The sooner he's gone, the better, because we'll have more time to fix the disaster that he's been and we still might save our season and get top 4.
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He won't resign. This is his shot at a big club. It probably will never happen again. And I wouldn't resign if I was him either.
 
Castia said:
Let's wait for his interview now...smile on his face followed by 'we move onto the next game'
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Would you prefer if he spent the entire time crying, listing United players who he'd murder if he thought he could get away with it before cutting a perfect representation of Ross Barkley's head into his chest and ending the interview passed out against the sponsor wall?
 
I'm not sure he's lost the players, because I don't think he's ever had them on his side. We've looked desperately lacking in motivation this season, aside from Rooney, Welbeck and Januzaj.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
He won't resign. This is his shot at a big club. It probably will never happen again. And I wouldn't resign if I was him either.
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Yeah, there's no chance for that. He'll want to prove everyone wrong and show he's good enough. Sigh, looks likes we've got another few months of shit until things start to look better again.
 
Castia said:
Let's wait for his interview now...smile on his face followed by 'we move onto the next game'
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Don't forget the "we were unlucky, fans are great and behind me, We are looking at players but I got got a good bunch of players "

You may as well just play a tape of all his other post match interviews
 
I'd be very surprised if he resigns. Even if he is a good person, he's not going to miss out on the chance to get an excellent package which he'd receive if he was sacked. Perhaps he'll surprise us, but I think him simply walking is very unlikely.
 
Dobba said:
Would you prefer if he spent the entire time crying, listing United players who he'd murder if he thought he could get away with it before cutting a perfect representation of Ross Barkley's head into his chest and ending the interview passed out against the sponsor wall?
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No I'd like him to show some passion or something, at least look fecking bothered about the result. I'm sure he generally thinks losing by an odd goal isn't a bad result, he's not a winner and has no clue what it's like to manage a club like United.

Mind boggling how SAF even chose this guy, there's not a top 4 club in any of the top leagues in Europe who would hire him.
 
Moyes has shown nothing so far that indicates he is good enough for this job. I would somehow understand if the owners are reluctant to give him any more money, especially after the disaster last summer.
 
I don't think anyone should get too upset about today. Best 2 out, Chelsea away, come on people.

Let's f'ck this one off, and see how Wednesday goes.
Be glad Pool dropped 2 points, so we're 6 off 4th.
 
I do wonder if he's even a good motivator. I mean how can this lot look so lost and lacking in drive, focus and self belief? (Generally, not to say)
 
The poor guy is blessed with really poor luck as well.
VP, Rooney, Carrick missing a sh!tload of games unlike last year.

The Vidic sending off says it all for me. That was just typical of his luck. a 91st min sending off that was very harsh, and rules him out of 3 games!!
 
I don't think he has lost the players. But I can imagine afew of them not being to impressed with him and open to his ideas
 
Sandikan said:
I don't think anyone should get too upset about today. Best 2 out, Chelsea away, come on people.

Let's f'ck this one off, and see how Wednesday goes.
Be glad Pool dropped 2 points, so we're 6 off 4th.
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It's not just today though. It's the other three games we've already lost this year even though it's only January. It's the games we lost before that already this season. A lot expected us to lose today, but that doesn't make it better.

The fact being 6 points off 4th is being seen as a positive says it all.
 
Sandikan said:
I don't think anyone should get too upset about today. Best 2 out, Chelsea away, come on people.

Let's f'ck this one off, and see how Wednesday goes.
Be glad Pool dropped 2 points, so we're 6 off 4th.
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Do you really want us to go through the league cup final and get dicked by City? Personally, I'd rather now. What a sad state of affairs!
 
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